Unity, I Will Pass
By gewcew23
@gewcew23 (8007)
United States
November 11, 2008 6:26pm CST
For eight years Democrats have demanded the impeachment of Bush. Now that the Barack Obama has become the elected President, I hear from the same group that ripped into Bush and Republicans as a whole, now want national unity. I think Obama deserve the same treatment Bush and Republicans have received. Sorry no hugs and kisses here, only payback.
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19 responses
@soooobored (1184)
• United States
12 Nov 08
You make a very loud point. How else to behave like a mature adult than to mindlessly hate someone who hasn't even wronged you? But I guess the "they started it" rule applies here?
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@soooobored (1184)
• United States
13 Nov 08
Technically you don't have to be removed from office to be impeached, the investigation suffices.
I do have to say Taskr, while I never personally called for Bush to be impeached, the argument for it has nothing to do with revenge for Clinton... I think we gave Bush plenty of opportunity to muck it up on his own!
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
12 Nov 08
Does national unity mean the Republicans follow the Democrat playbook?
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
13 Nov 08
To them it does. The democrats mean "unity" as you go along with what we want. They could care less what the conservatives want. So why should we care about playing nice with them?
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
12 Nov 08
That wouldn't be payback, it would be equal treatment.
Isn't that what the Equal Opportunity Employment Act was all about?... equal treatment and fairness for everyone... especially if you are a minority.
I say we follow the liberal's guidance on the proper way to treat a sitting president... after all, they are supposed to be all about fairness and equality.
I say we give them all the equality that they can handle, so much in fact that they choke on it.
Point out every flaw, every meaningless little quirk or foible, and run it into the ground like it was the most stupid thing anyone ever did. Replay every stutter, every contradiction... and in this case... every broken campaign promise.
Since 0bama and Biden both are walking gaffe machines, this should give us plenty of material to work with.
The best part is, it is all done in the interest of fair play and equality.
Now who could argue with that?
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
12 Nov 08
I am not interested in national unity under a dictator. Obama plans to destroy America by going against what America stood for. So he should be given the same criticism that the Republicans got and that Bush got. I am a Canadian and when I saw the whole campaign and the media praising Obama and being nasty to Bush, and Obama taking advantage of a financial crisis to become president, it reminded me of someone over seventy years ago.
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
12 Nov 08
apparently you haven't been hit close to home by losing a loved one in a war that never should have been started that no one in the world agreed upon and was based on a bunch of lies?? Obviously your purse hasn't felt the tug of Bush and his administration??? You are ok with all the lies? interesting as are most of your thoughts. And you have some inside info or contacts that you KNOW that Obama is planning on destroying America? or are these just more of your opinions that you state as facts?
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@Yestheypayme2dothis (7874)
• United States
12 Nov 08
I feel no unity toward Obama. I will never feel unity towards Obama as long as the is the person he is right now. I don't even see him as the president elect. People treat him like he is a movie star. Never in our nation's history has any president been treated like he has. People care about everything he and his family do. Even the country of Peru have offered him and his family a dog to suit his one daughter's allergies. This is not a presidency I feel comfortable about.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
12 Nov 08
0bama is going to be the President. I will give him the benefit of the doubt until after he begins to govern. Consider that we know he is likely a liar. Maybe he is not going to do as he indicated during the campaign?
Hopefully, 0bama realized that things like "spreading the wealth" and "increasing capital gains taxes out of fairness" are really stupid and only said them as lies meant to garner the vote of the feeble minded?
0bama could be a great President?
Let's wait and see.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
13 Nov 08
I don't think it is likely 0bama will be an ok president, However, just to be fair, I have to give him a chance.
@oldboy46 (2129)
• Australia
12 Nov 08
Barack Obama is a very charismatic politician and had what appeared to be a bottomless pit of money to throw int his election campaign. I suspect that some of those financial donations whioch were made to his campaign were because of his charisma more than his actual political beliefs. Like all politicians he should be judged on his deeds and actions - not his word - because it is actions which get things done, not rhetoric. If anyone who felt he was not doing the right think by all citizens of the U.S., then they have an obligation to speak out.
Yes a united country would be a great thing but that really does not happen in a democratic and free society. People are different and individuals who have the right to voice their opinion and be heard. They also are able to think for themselves which is one of the reasons why the citizens if a free society will never agree 100% on anything.
Whilst it is appropriate to criticise a politician for their actions or inactions, as the case might be, it is counterproductive to criticise them solely because their politican beliefs differ from yours. To make a criticism based solely on political beliefs means that when something really important needs to be bought to the notice of others, the words can often be ignored on the basis that it is just a case of "sour grapes".
We can be thankful that we live in free and deomcratic societies, unlike many others in this world.
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@oldboy46 (2129)
• Australia
12 Nov 08
Barack Obama is a very charismatic politician and had what appeared to be a bottomless pit of money to throw int his election campaign. I suspect that some of those financial donations whioch were made to his campaign were because of his charisma more than his actual political beliefs. Like all politicians he should be judged on his deeds and actions - not his word - because it is actions which get things done, not rhetoric. If anyone who felt he was not doing the right think by all citizens of the U.S., then they have an obligation to speak out.
Yes a united country would be a great thing but that really does not happen in a democratic and free society. People are different and individuals who have the right to voice their opinion and be heard. They also are able to think for themselves which is one of the reasons why the citizens if a free society will never agree 100% on anything.
Whilst it is appropriate to criticise a politician for their actions or inactions, as the case might be, it is counterproductive to criticise them solely because their politican beliefs differ from yours. To make a criticism based solely on political beliefs means that when something really important needs to be bought to the notice of others, the words can often be ignored on the basis that it is just a case of "sour grapes".
We can be thankful that we live in free and deomcratic societies, unlike many others in this world.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
12 Nov 08
I found this rather ironic myself. I've never held back on my criticisms of the Bush administration, and the Obama administration will get the same treatment. I'm an equal opportunity critic, and I never let something so petty like partisanship get in my way.
Obama supporters, or at least some of them, have repeatedly bashed republicans, then turned around and preached about political unity now that the election is over. Oh how wonderful it would be to live in such a fantasy land. How many of them actually think anything new will actually happen in the next four years? It'll be business as usual in the political world.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
12 Nov 08
such attitudes are just exactly why unity and world peace are nearly impossible to obtain. The reasons they wanted Bush impeached were legit...actually many republicans were against him as well. Obama has not done any thing wrong yet so why all the bitterness?
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@newtondak (3946)
• United States
12 Nov 08
The President, regardless of who he/she is and what party he/she belongs to, will face criticism. There will always be those that disagree, and there will always be those who hold the President accountable for the promises made during the campaign. When he/she fails to fulfill those promises, people become very critical, and rightfully so.
@mrsfred96 (85)
• United States
12 Nov 08
I think Obama should be dealt with before he sets foot in the White House. Someone needs to come out with the truth so we can move on without him. I have had enough. He can keep his ideals and his 'national' unity to himself. No hugs and kisses here either.
@Celanith (2327)
• United States
13 Nov 08
Geez people can we get past the elections and stop bickering over politics? Stop bashing and looking for trouble or stirring it up. Find a NEW topic already! This is getting just plain old. Do what the bible says, those who are at least professing Christianity. How about praying about it and especially for the new president elect. What; do you all have a crystal ball and can see the future? I did not vote for the man but I don't hate him. Give him a chance and move on to other things this is just plain petty trash.
@rsa101 (38126)
• Philippines
13 Nov 08
Well let's just have to wait and see what he will do in his term. if the other party is already planning to topple him at this time they would definitely fail. Why? They don't have any grounds yet for him to be impeached. Impeachment meant that you have grounds for him to be impeached but he has not even seated at his office yet so what's the hurry allow him to seat first before planning of ousting him.
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@evanslf (484)
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13 Nov 08
It is true to say that many Democrats didn't give Bush the benefit of the doubt from day one. But it is important to understand the context: Bush won a highly disputed election, a result that many people refused to accept, and he won it having got less votes than the other guy. This was the first time such a thing had happened in over 100 years under the electoral college system and many people had trouble accepting that the guy who got the most votes lost. The contrast with Obama who has clearly won this election could not be more stark.
However, it is also true to say that Bush did not help himself and did precious little to reach out to Democrats. Having won the election in 2000 and holding a very questionable mandate, he could have chosen to try to govern fron the centre and reach out and compromise. But he didn't. From day one he governed hard on the right even though he did not have the mandate to do so. Sept 11th occured and instead of trying to build national unity, he cynically used this event to further his main agenda: secure reelection and push a hard right agenda. Well it worked, but he drew much hostility in the process. He deliberately used 9/11 and the war on terror to browbeat and marginalise Democrats. It was 'for him or against him', 'my way or the highway'.
So unsurprisingly, he got attacked viciously. You reap what you sow.
However, in Obama's case, what I notice is that though he has CLEARLY won the election and he has CLEAR democratic legitimacy, he is being attacked (and there is even talk of impeachment) before he has even reached office! Now if Obama were to govern from the hard left, were he to govern in an extremely partisan way, then he would certainly be deserving of being attacked. However, he hasn't started governing yet and I would have thought that Republicans should watch what he does first and then, if he is making mistakes or governing from the hard left, then attack.
So basically what I'm saying is this: Americans, even if they can't 'unite' under Obama, should accept the result - this election is over. They should at least, and this is particularly relevant to those who didn't support Obama, give him a chance - at least by seeing what he initially does in office. Then if he mucks up big time, attack him by all means!
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
13 Nov 08
From what I am reading from your posters here I am getting the feeling that they think it not ok to criticize their guy but is ok to critize ours. Double standard huh? We have listened for 8 years about Bush from them. Now that Obama is in office they are all singing the "unity song". What happened to unity for the past 8 years. They dogged on Bush before the war in Iraq and before 911. From the moment he got elected they started in on him. So I say what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
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@reza092 (76)
• Bangladesh
12 Nov 08
I can not be in the same opinion with you , any way, every one has his own thought. But Obama deserves a warm hug. What president Bush had done is just stupidity. And Obama , I think is not that kind of stuPid. He will be a great leader for America not only that , He will be a great leader for the world to lead a nice and beautiful world. We have to wait for that to see. What Bush and Bush administration and republican had done can not be changed within a moment. And that's why orator and wise Obama said , we will need time. And definitely, If his system works , he should be reelected 4 years later.