What are your arguments on the existance or non-existance of God?
By android
@android (895)
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@narayan2006 (2954)
• India
15 Nov 08
The question of believing or not believing the existence of something arises only when we have clear vision and concept of that object. Many of us have no clear understanding of What God is because we have not directly experienced it.The conception of God is a reality greater than the reality of any conception which the human mind has developed anytime. It is beyond all that exist. It is beyond the sphere of experience of the mind whose vision is finite.It is beyond all descriptions because all descriptions relate to finite and observable objects. God is the Absolute essence and unchangeable basis of all ever changing,temporary existence of the forms and phenomena of creation. The Absolute is the ultimate reality of life. Thanks.
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@freethinkingagent (2501)
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15 Nov 08
There are many reasons i believe in God. However there are truly many Gods, but only one who is the Greater, the Creator is who I will give my argument to why I believe at this time.
The physical laws of thermodynamics tell us that you not get something from nothing, secondly the general law of relativity gives us examples of energy and mater. Thus if i am to believe that 13.7 billion years ago the big bang occurred (which i do) and that all mater in the universe and all energy that is in existence was released at this time. You can therefor calculate the cosmic weight and yields of energy, Also the laws of physics state the cosmos in in a constant state of decay. So I can only believe then that all mater and energy in the universe had to of had a definite point in time where it came into being, it did not just suddenly show up on its own, therefore it must have been created. This for me is evidence that the universe was created and has not simply been here for eternity, because again, constant state of decay, and energy lost by mechanical or chemical means, Cosmic Radiation, and all things say the universe had a beginning and will have an end.
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@freethinkingagent (2501)
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16 Nov 08
because there are and were, the bible talks about the other gods, but much has been mistranslated purposely by the church to hide this fact, mainly out of fear that Christianity and Jud ism may look like poly theism. If you were to read the old testament in Hebrew and or some of the other languages you would see that they do not deny other gods, but believe there is only one all powerful God who made all, including the other gods. Psalms 82 read in original text is a perfect example of this.
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@freethinkingagent (2501)
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16 Nov 08
Your truth maybe. Isn't it funny how truth is depending on perception? I really do not think you have any idea what it is I truly believe. Who and what I believe God is, and what else I might believe. My beliefs are much more ancient than you perceive them to be.
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@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
15 Nov 08
I dont have any arguements either way..I dont believe in the Christian god and havent in many many yrs (though I was very much a believer and devoted Christian back in the day)...end of story..I dont care if others do..whatever works for them ya know just like believing as I do and walking the path I do works for me..
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@shivram123 (656)
• India
15 Nov 08
i too not a beliver but i too trust there is a supreme power which is always making his will in this world,i always thought that we all are a impulse in the brain of a super power.to be more simple we are just some mere puppets in the hand of god
@iZoran (111)
• Serbia And Montenegro
18 Nov 08
I think the personification of God is wrong and see God as more of a creative spirit than a bearded old Santa in the sky. My views are from my religious upbringing as a catholic, my intense studies and love for the Scientology religion, my studies of various other religions and my natural inclination towards science and engineering, particularly how things work.
I see quite clearly in my everyday life how everything around me was primarily a thought in someones mind. Before my tv was a tv, the thought of sending pictures and sound through the air existed. The excitement of such a possibility becoming true drove the imagination and creative force and the way to do things was found.
I look also at science and find a strangeness in Quantum physics where everything in the universe can be seen to be made up of only Quarks and Leptons. You're a Quark, I'm a Quark, everyone's a Quark Quark. These minute sub atomic particles normally pop in and out of existence in micro micro seconds, displaying properties which defy all known physics. Having the ability to be here and there at the same time, or be here both before and after and while it is there, these curious particles have baffled scientists for many years. Having a natural inclination to live and die rather rapidly it seems they can be held together by Gluons which sounds rather trekky to me, and the reason for their extended duration is quite unknown but something causes them to persist. They make up you and me and everything, but why, and how? Some psychic experiments were done several years ago where the activity of these quarks and leptons were modified by the thoughts of psychics, indicating quite strongly that the reason for persistence of Quarks and Leptons is none other than observation or admiration. So thought admires a goal and quarks and Leptons willingly oblige.
Anyone who has ever engaged in a complex creative project will recognise that desire, enthusiasm and belief in it's attainment seem to take on a force of their own and actually 'pull' events and objects into place in order to achieve the goal.
So to me, God is thought which has no physical properties such as matter or energy, and exists not in space or time, but has the ability to create and admire.
Makes you think again about the phrase "God is Love" !
@freethinkingagent (2501)
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22 Nov 08
Although we have a few differences, we have some shared beliefs I think. And sense yours are the closest to mine I have seen here on Mylot, I will share some of my thoughts with you.
You speak of Quarks and Leptons, be careful lol I have found many get upset with me when i use science in my religious discussions. But I too have pondered this, as well as Neutrinos, The Ancients long before the bible and even before the Sumerians put anything on clay tablets had a complex belief about a supreme creator God, and how "God", the Physical God came into existence.
They had three layers before physical mater, for the Hebrews it was Ain, Ain Soph and ain soph Aur. or nothing, without limit and light without limit. with nothing closest to the physical universe. These aspects are abstracts of God are the unseen unknowable God, the God source. In the beginning all there was was the God source, the light without limit, So for god to create a physical universe, he had to begin to limit his light, and finally he had to create 'nothing'. From nothing he created the universe, and perhaps a multi verse and inter dimensional space.
But before he could create the physical universe, he also had to be able to enjoy this creation of his and experience it. So being pure light or source energy, he also gave himself a physical persona that was equal but separate from him. So he could remain outside his creation in the ain sof, and yet be part of his creation as an entity. Sub atomic particles are a means to sustain his creation I believe, and a way for source energy to return to Source. And thought they are part of the physical universe, they are able to do things that are baffling to the physical laws.
So I see these things and say there must be a God, others see it and say there is no god, but I have no idea why these things are. I also believe soon we will see new sub atomic particles previously unknown of, and maybe even smaller sub atomic particles, or god particles.
@randis1 (112)
• United States
15 Nov 08
There are multiple reasons, I think, for believing in God.
Some of the most surface and obvious reasons are:
1) The Creation of the Universe from nothing, by nothing, and for nothing into something. Something does not come from nothing.
A) Everything that begins to exist has a cause
B) The universe began to exist
C) Therefore, the universe had a cause
2) The teleology in the universe shows design. The best explanation for the that design is God. Nature alone cannot produce the over 120 anthropic constants necessary for life to exist.
3) Morality is best explained by God. Without God there is no basis for morality. Utilitarianism is a nice idea, but that doesn't explain WHY something is wrong.
A) If God doesn't exist, absolute morals do not exist
B) Absolute morals do exist
C) Therefore, God exists
4) Personal Religious experience. This may be both the weaker and the strongest argument for God's existence. In a completely physical world, in a world in which nothing meta-physical exists whatsoever, it becomes extremely difficult to explain all religious phenomenon. This, of course, doesn't give any credence to any specific God (or gods) right off the bat, but we must take it into account.
5) Historical Evaluation of the evidence behind the resurrection of Christ
I think, based on my work as a rising NT scholar, the resurrection turns out to be the best explanation for the events that occurred that Easter morning 2,000 years ago. Based on several factors (the early church belief in the resurrection, the claim and martyrdom of those who would know better, the multiply attested appearances, the fact of the empty tomb, the divergence of the resurrection of Jesus from any Jewish expectation, etc) I haven't seen any hypothesis which comes even close to accounting for what we know to be true on that Easter morning.
There are, of course, perhaps dozens of sub-arguments which we could lay out but I think, as a brief inquiry into the arguments for and against the existence of God this will do.
Hope this helps!!!
@iZoran (111)
• Serbia And Montenegro
22 Nov 08
It is interesting that in a world of matter, energy, space and time postulates also exist, which exhibit none of the above qualities and yet have the ability to form the above into the reality of the postulate. We have all, I'm sure, at one time or another observed the almost magical development to fruition of our postulates, and noticed that once the creative process has been set in motion it takes on a life of its own.
It's also interesting to note that although the development of such a process seems magical at the time, it always follows a logical progression, nothing just appears from nowhere.
Such a statement would indicate two things: First that whoever postulated the existence of this universe was far better at postulating than you or me, my counter efforts keep getting in the way of my efforts!
And secondly that once such a postulate had been set in motion then the natural development of the planets, the earth and it's inhabitants would follow a logical scientific sequence rather than a nagical one.
Science in no way disproves the existence of God but rather enhances the belief and reveals just how much of a master scientist he really is.
@remrick (202)
• Philippines
18 Nov 08
I agree with randis1... very well said... christianity does not merely have subjective value, but it also claims to be the truth.
while there might be some scholars who do not believe in the existence of jesus, this argument can equally be negated by the the claim that some scholars do believe in his existence. the point is, what is the general consensus among scholars? and i believe that it is that they are agreement that jesus is a historical person who did exist.
the concept of a multi-verse is just as you have said, a "postulate" - something assumed without proof as being self-evident or generally accepted... it can't even be proven because proof is assumed away... again, it is just as metaphysical as Creationist claims.
And morality as a better means of survival? isn't that contradicting to the concept of survival of the species? morality dictates that we care for other people: the sick, the elderly, orphans, the disabled and abnormal, etc... but survival of the fittest teaches us that these members of the species deserve to be eliminated...
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Nov 08
I believe in a higher power - which is likely how the universe came to be. Humans certainly did not create it. I don't believe all the religious hogwash that is present along with most people's belief in a higher power though. Humans are petty and ridiculous and unforgiving enough without considering how many thousands of times worse THAT would be. Any human who did all those things people claim God did would be gotten rid of by a majority decision.
@mommyboo (13174)
• United States
16 Nov 08
The basic problem is that man always has to create some rationality or reason or theory to understand things we can't understand. When there is no explanation, man still TRIES to come up with one, at least one that the majority of people he or she influences can accept as plausible. I really think this is why there is such a push with people about religion etc. If you can't convince others that you're right, then you're crazy and nobody wants to be considered crazy.
BTW did you mean analogy? There are just millions of things man was not MEANT to know. It would make life a lot simpler if we could just ACCEPT that. There are probably many things we believe or think we know that are so far off the mark if there is indeed a God, I bet he is laughing because of how ridiculous we have turned out to be.
@scorpio19 (1363)
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16 Nov 08
Hi android,
I have no firm or established beliefs but I am very open minded and I'm quite willing to listen to others and I don't believe in knocking people for their own beliefs, all it does is show ingnorance and if you do actually bother to listen to someone elses beliefs you may just dispel a few myths you might have had about their belief and find it quite interesting.
@scorpio19 (1363)
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16 Nov 08
when I say "you" I meant you, me or anyone in general not you personally, just had to clear that up because when I read it back, that's what it looked like, sorry.