Do You Believe the Crucifixion of Jesus Christ Was a Hoax?
By Pigglies
@Pigglies (9329)
United States
November 16, 2008 1:18am CST
If it was, would this change your beliefs? Would it shake your belief system if Jesus never died on the cross?
I've just about finished reading Holy Blood, Holy Grail. I have to admit, I found the first half of the book incredibly boring, despite reading The Da Vinci Code and loving it. But the second half has really been fascinating with all the proposals for things that could have happened to make it seem like Jesus died on the cross and came back.
I think there was a lot of fraud back in those days (and that there still is today). And since I could easily see some person leading everyone to believe they were God's son, I could totally imagine this stuff happening. Personally, it wouldn't change my beliefs because I'm an atheist. I do believe that Jesus existed, but of course to me he was only just another man (either mentally ill or knowingly trying to dupe people). Before I get a bunch of angry Christians spewing their hatred on me, let me just say that I don't care what other people believe in as long as they don't force it on me. And I don't force my non-beliefs on believers either, so a hatred free discussion would be great.
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12 responses
@sreejithsreenivas (10200)
• India
16 Nov 08
It is very difficult to get a good picture of the incident of crucifixion.I dont like to hurt those people who believe Jesus Christ and following Christianity.I am a Hindu and i think it is not good to say anything which beyond our limit.
@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
16 Nov 08
well, since that book was about info admited to be a hoax by the guy claiming he was decended, it has no point any more.
You can chose to believe what you want to believe (or not believe as the case may be) but that book anyway should not be a support for your beliefs. Obviously it ISN'T, but it should be nobodies.
The fact is that Dan Brown took a peice of information (or mis-information) and made a great story about it. Fiction is fiction, and it is a work of fiction, based on another work of fiction, masquerading as fact. But so is lots of science fiction and historical fictions are another kind of fiction that can be hard to prove.
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@ElicBxn (63594)
• United States
16 Nov 08
Holy Blood, Holy Grail wasn't writen by the guy, it was writen about what he had claimed and then, when it became a whole big deal, he admitted he had hoaxed it.
One of those channels, History I think, went back to the bones of the earliest known member of the royal family he talked about and did a DNA search for semetic descent and found none. No semetic descent, no relationship to anyone from the middle east, no relative to MM or Jesus.
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@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
16 Nov 08
But even if that one guy wasn't a descendant, that doesn't mean that no one is a descendant of Jesus.
Did you read Holy Blood, Holy Grail? Because I haven't read anything in it about a specific guy claiming this. It's all about a secret that is being held, but no names are named as far as who descendants are today aside from Royal families that may contain the royal bloodline.
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@clickicy (571)
• Indonesia
16 Nov 08
I dont know much about the main topic in this discussion or dont have enough argument... So this response is not about it.
Non hatred discussion is what I'd like to comment... I dont believe it could happen if the main topic is 'sensitive' matter... so... hopefully yours discussion can stand
with no hatred in it. hopefully, because it is inciting a ... well it just my opinion... an ignoreable one.
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@PrincessKitten (790)
• United States
16 Nov 08
It wasn't a hoax any more than Cinderella is a hoax...it's just a story.
The Holy Bible is full of good stories that have been passed down for thousands of years through many different religions.
Happy MyLotting!
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@BlueGoblin (1829)
• United States
16 Nov 08
Thomas Aquinas said it best.
"For those with faith, no explanation is necessary. For those without, no explanation is possible"
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@yonghweefoo (17)
• Singapore
16 Nov 08
I'm a Christian so you probably know my stand but if the crucifixion is a hoax, our faith will be on like sinking sand.
@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
17 Nov 08
I believe that there was a Jesus, I believe that he could do things, and I believe that he was crucified on a cross, but I do not believe that he was God or the Son of God.
Most Christains hate me for what I have just said right now, but sadly, that is what I believe and there is nothing that can be done to change my mind or make me a believer. I am an Agnostic like my father before me, it is in my blood.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
17 Nov 08
I don't think people should hate you for believing that. I think that Jesus existed, but I don't even go as far to think he could really do anything all that special. For all I know he was like Jim Jones or something and just happened to gather enough followers to really catch on. But maybe he could do pretty good things and maybe he was crucified too.
Either way, I don't think people have the right to try to make you believe their religion. I'm often tempted to find out were the door to door Christians live and go to their house and show them my blank book, lol. Either that or I could do a non-stop harmonica concert at their door until they stopped believing. But then again, I do have a lot of fun arguing with these people sometimes so maybe it's a good thing that they're around even.
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
21 Nov 08
I'd like to know that as well. Do you believe all of the bible? I don't. I think that the bible is a guide through story and history, on how we should and should not live our lives.
If it was proven beyond a doubt that Jesus was not crucified and was not the Son of God, I would still be undaunted. His teachings are worth the time I've put into Him.
@jazel_juan (15746)
• Philippines
17 Nov 08
For Christians ( especially those ones that really believe in it) it would be hard for them to accept this stuff, they find it hard to open their minds on such stories / realities for some. But then also got myself thinking into this thought as well. what is all of it are just hoax? a game that they invented to see if people would really believe? who really know the truth? i mean these stuff.. the things in the bible are mostly handed down orally right.. We cannot really tell. and it is just up to us to believe it or not. I personally do. And i do respect what you think of it, i have read Da Vinci Code and other stories regarding the holy grail and i have seen documentaries about Jesus and Mary Magdalene is said to be his wife.. all this might be true and all of this maybe not be true. But i do not care, i have my faith, my belief that there is God, someone who is there for me even though He is unseen, I do not have to insist or everyone to believe in this as well as they must also not insist something on me. There are aspects in my religion that i do not entirely agree, given i was even put in a catholic school my whole life! Its just there are aspects in it that i do not like and would not like to follow, bu i still have my faith in God amidst all of these.... 
@SeishiroX (1093)
• Philippines
17 Nov 08
It never hurts to keep an open mind. If we really look at it, the current Catholic religion is founded politically in the Council of Nicea. Although I still have faith in a higher existence. I just don't want to name it or be constrained by a religion. My faith is enough.
@mariposaman (2959)
• Canada
17 Nov 08
As crucifixion was used by the Romans as a method of execution and most people grudgingly acknowledge the probability of Christ's existence it is not a stretch to connect the two. You can weave all kinds of stories together to explain historical happenings, look at the conspiracy theories behind the twin towers on 9-11. Is it so hard to believe the simple story of a bunch of radicals who hate America plotting to strike a terrorist blow against the great satan? But I digress.
As soon as the patents on my time machine are approved and I am able to find the elusive flux capacitor that I am looking for I will go back and give you a full report. I cannot guarantee pictures because I might run out of camera batteries because I cannot recharge them when I am there. 
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
17 Nov 08
Haha, I could just see what people back then would think of a digital camera. Hey, you'd probably be seen as a God yourself!
I think some of the conspiracy theories have a point to them. Especially the 9/11 ones. I don't think it was our own government taking the buildings down, but it's definitely not impossible that other terrorists planted bombs in the building as well. After all, that has happened before. And if we can have so much confusion on something that was caught on film, no wonder there can be so many inconsistencies with what actually happened to Jesus.
@SeishiroX (1093)
• Philippines
17 Nov 08
You don't mess around with time. If you bring a digital camera back in time to Jesus' crucifixion, people will call you a "witch" or "warlock" and you might end up being crucified yourself lol.
@Stushy (15)
• Jamaica
17 Nov 08
To Mr Pigglies(3737) Consider the fact that you were born, and you saw all the beauty of nature,food is provided for you,you have parents, nobody can say they have created any of these things. They were all here before we were all born, man just altered them to make different things.
Eg: the car: All the metal for every part was here in the ground, man just removed it from the ground and with the knowledge that God gave them they were able to shape and form the metal to do what they want.
Maybe this is something for you to consider.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
17 Nov 08
Wow, usually I am not mistaken for a man. Hehe, no hard feelings.
Just because you didn't personally create the world, that doesn't mean that it's just always been here. As far as the human lifespan, yes I suppose the world does seem as if it has always been here as we know it today. I don't believe that man created the world. And I don't believe that God did either. I think things can just happen on their own. Look at all the planets out there that don't have life, and ours that does. We just happen to live on the planet with the perfect conditions.
I have often thought about how insanely difficult it is not only to have this wonderful planet, but also how difficult it is just to get born. Not only the process of just your parents getting together and you being conceived on the right day, but also the process of all your ancestors as well and if they didn't come together and if they hadn't survived, you would not be here. It can be a lot to think about. And for a lot of people, they need religion to explain such events to them. But for me, creating a story doesn't actually explain anything. But that is more than what this discussion is about.
