What do you think of the possibility of Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State?
By thedogshrink
@thedogshrink (1266)
United States
November 16, 2008 10:09am CST
Why do you think Obama may choose Hillary as Secretary of State? If he does, do you think it's a good choice?
I think he could be considering her because if she accepts, she will be working for him and obligated to carry out and support his policies fully -- no speaking against his policies at all.
If she remains in the Senate, where she has a good deal of power, she could go against some of his policies, initiate some of her own, in effect, there is the chance of her sort of upstaging him.
In my opinion, she shouldn't accept for that reason. However, I can see that accepting might help further her own ambitions for President, so maybe she will see that as worth the trade off.
I do think she is qualified and would do a decent job. But I think there are reasons for Obama to consider her that go deeper than whether she will do a good job there or not.
What do you think?
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
16 Nov 08
I think this deal was struck a while ago...before Obama chose Biden as his V.P. I don't believe that Clinton wanted that slot and Obama had to give her some incentive to rally her large group of supporters over to his side. The V.P. position is not nearly as powerful as the Secretary of State and, yes, that position would help any future plans she may have for another run at the presidency.
The Secretary of State actually has more influence on the president when it comes to foreign policy than a senator does and, unless I'm mistaken, Hillary is only a junior senator so she's not all that powerful in the Senate right now. As Secretary of State, Hillary will be implementing policies that she will have a hand in forming since she will be the one out there in the world, dealing with the leaders of foreign countries and discussing world issues. I believe that she has the good judgement and the strength of character to make an excellent S.O.S.
@thedogshrink (1266)
• United States
16 Nov 08
That's very interesting that you think the deal was already done! Never thought of that, but it makes sense.
She may be a junior Senator, but she has influence and power because of who she is, as well as being a Senator. Also, she can speak her mind fairly freely (within Party constraints) as a Senator, and she really can't as SOS. So that is part of what I meant by power.
I think the only real reason for her to accept would be to strengthen her position for a future run for President.
@newtondak (3946)
• United States
16 Nov 08
They were talking about this on the political shows on television this morning and indicated that she would have to do a lot more disclosure about her personal life/affairs as Secretary of State than she has as Senator - which might be a reason that she wouldn't accept the position.
@thedogshrink (1266)
• United States
16 Nov 08
Yes, I agree that might prove to be too distasteful for her. It seems she is the person who'd rather be asking the questions of candidates, rather than answering them!
@thedogshrink (1266)
• United States
16 Nov 08
Oh yes! That was VERY interesting! I have a discussion about that on here too.
@newtondak (3946)
• United States
16 Nov 08
I do find it interesting, however, that Obama is asking questions of the people that are applying to work on his staff that he, himself, has not answered to the American people!
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
17 Nov 08
Could it just be possible that IF Obama chooses Hillary Clinton as his Secretary of State that it's because he sincerely thinks she's the best person for the job, as in the most qualified and knowledgeable person and that it would be good for the Country? I understand some people have become cynical about anyone's motives in our government and after the last eight years it's no wonder, but let's just wait and see what happens and give the President Elect the benefit of the doubt.
Annie
@thedogshrink (1266)
• United States
17 Nov 08
Well, it's possible, but Obama is on record for saying things in the past that indicate he wants to follow the Lincoln example of filling your cabinet with your political rivals. I think Hillary will be a good choice for SOS -- and I don't think Kerry would be a good choice.
I heard on the news this afternoon that Hillary wants the job and Obama wants her to have it, but the problem is determining if Bill Clinton's many ties overseas will cause a real or perceived conflict of interest, and whether Bill will set those aside and set himself aside to let Hillary do the job...
Hmmm...this was news but it was not "official".
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
16 Nov 08
What better way to neutralize her? with her out of the senate, her oposition to any legislation or pushing any he didn't favor is gone. She would be out of the running in 2012 for the democratic nonination, the one and ONLY person who could theoreticly knock an incumbant from one's own party out of office. I think she would make a decent S.O.S. but I can't hekp but wonder. Obama is a briliant man, almost too briliant. I question his motives.
@thedogshrink (1266)
• United States
17 Nov 08
Yes! That is what I think too!
But I think it is actually better for our country if she does become SOS. She is more of a centrist that most of the Dems right now, and certainly more centrist than John Kerry! She is also tougher on terrorism than someone like a John Kerry.
@kdhartford (1151)
• United States
16 Nov 08
A few days ago, I thought that this was a crazy idea. Senator Clinton has far more power and influence as a Senator than Secretary of State. But now I think that she is warming up to the idea. I myself, think that there are a multitude of reasons against...but there there are a multitude of reasons for. I hope now we will get a disclosure of Former President Bill Clinton's dealings with the Chinese and other countries. These are things that they refused to reveal during the election. I hope that the Senate will investigate and not rubber stamp the appointment.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
16 Nov 08
That could get interesting since this would be the first Secretary of State who's husband is a former prsident. I wonder if his position would limit the amount of information she would be required to disclose since she wasn't a senator when he was in office? I haven't looked into this so I don't know.
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@thedogshrink (1266)
• United States
16 Nov 08
You've both brought up very interesting points that I have not heard anyone in the media address so far. I think it seems possible that she could claim her knowledge is classified, but I don't know for sure.
Would be nice to hear more about his dealings with China.
I think Obama is well aware that she has more influence as a Senator, and as a Senator she is able to speak against Obama's ideas if she wants to. As SOS, she will not be able to do that, altho she may have his ear for some matters - depending on how he is going to govern and what he really thinks of Hillary's ideas.
@Barb42 (4214)
• United States
16 Nov 08
I don't really know what to make of it. She sure didn't give any idea that she wouldn't take the job, but she didn't say she would, either. But I heard someone say that she would be giving up her chance to run for President in 2012 because you wouldn't normally run against your boss. And, as you said, in Congress, she'd have more leeway to do what she wants to do rather than having to do only what he wanted her to do. But, then again, traveling to foreign countries might be more her style. I'm with you; if Obama chooses her, it's not because of her experience, because I don't he really care for the Clinton's other than what they can do for him. I would think it's more to shut her up. I kind of hope she doesn't take the job.
@thedogshrink (1266)
• United States
16 Nov 08
I think it would prevent her from running in 2012, but I was thinking it would help her to run after that, in 2016. I didn't think she'd really want to go up against the sitting President in 2012 -- he'd have to be REALLY BAD for her to get her Party's nomination then.
Yes, I kind of hope she doesn't too.
But then I am not sure...
@bdugas (3578)
• United States
17 Nov 08
No I don't beleive that she will except his offer she has more say so as a senator and would be giving up her rights to speak her mind if she takes this positon. She does not agree with him on too many things and to me she is not one to bow down for a job for anyone. No I do not think she will take it, if she does it will surprise me.
@StrawSoup (69)
• China
17 Nov 08
I think it's a good idea to choose her. She will helps Obama who may pull the US out of the current finance crisis. And she will do a great job!
@Barbietre (1438)
• United States
17 Nov 08
Well I like Hillary and think she would do a good job. But I am not sure if it is the right political move for her. But who knows, she may want the job?
@chameleonsdream (1230)
• United States
17 Nov 08
I think it's an excellent idea, and I agree with spalladino that this was a deal that was likely in the works before the election. Back when the campaign announced that they wouldn't be vetting Clinton for VP, my daughter was spluttering with outrage and I told her that I had a feeling we'd be seeing her in his Cabinet - either in HHS or as Secretary of State if he won. Obama is a long-term strategist, and I'm quite sure that he's considered the political implications of offering the SOS to Clinton, but I also believe that he wouldn't be considering the appointment if he didn't think highly of her ability to do the job.
As far as NOT automatically offering it to Kerry who did so much for him, I think that's a pretty clear step away from political business as usual, where the candidate 'pays people back' with the jobs they want from the Plum Book. In my view, gratitude and patronage has no place when choosing the best person for a job. I find it pretty amusing that I'm hearing about Obama's ingratitude for all Kerry did for him from the very same people who'd point to a Kerry appointment as evidence of patronage and political payback.
@Sam41855 (26)
• United States
16 Nov 08
I think this would be a great position for Hillary, but it would give her no control or input into the government control of affairs here at home and concerning U.S. domestic policies. She has so much to say about that kind of thing I would think she may rather be in the Senate. He would in effect be removing her from whatever plans he has for America, as she would be completely consumed with World politics and out of the country a lot. However, no one knows anymore what could happen. We've all seen that.
@thedogshrink (1266)
• United States
16 Nov 08
I agree. And John Kerry REALLY wants the job of Secretary of State -- so I wonder what his reaction will be if Hillary takes it, since he has been supporting Obama from the gitgo.
@ninaluv (338)
• Nigeria
17 Nov 08
i think it's a very good idea.
together, they can make the change.
it's a perfect choice, i hope it's not just a rumour.