I am searching for a verse
By cyntrow
@cyntrow (8523)
United States
November 18, 2008 1:42pm CST
I have heard and seen this verse with my own eyes. It states, in essence, that everyone will be given a chance to enter heaven. It implies that deeds, not faith, will give us salvation.
Many will claim that it does not exist. But I know that some of you out there will know exactly where it is. Sadly, I cannot even recall if it is in the OT or the NT, but I'm thinking new.
If you know of it, let me know. I need it for a debate that I am having with a friend. Thanks
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16 responses
@wrangel15 (1443)
• Philippines
18 Nov 08
You have a reason for choosing that. You may find my answer against the message you stated but please find time to read it.
If we can be saved through our deeds, Jesus Christ wouldn't have came for us. He came because we cannot save ourselves by following the Law of God. We keep on sinning and His blood is the only one God assigned for us to be cleansed from unrighteousness.
You may find these verses helpful:
Ephesian 2:8-9
For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works - so that no one can boast.
Titus 3:5
He saved us, not because of righteous things we have done, but because of his mercy....
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@wrangel15 (1443)
• Philippines
18 Nov 08
I found this verse in Acts 10:31 when God said "Cornelius, your prayer has been heard, and your alms are remembered in the sight of God."
In verse 1,2 it says, "There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian Regiment, a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, who gave alms generously to the people, and prayed to God always."
It may have possibly the one you're looking for.
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Makes no sense, Roger. Does a person have to believe in God to follow the teachings of God. I've known a number of Athiests who are more Christ like than many so called Christians. If a person is doing the work of God, yet does not believe in God, is this person condemned to hell? That's a hypothetical question because the verse that I am asking about does exist. We just need to find it.
@rogerfederer (81)
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19 Nov 08
Hmmm... Can we please pause for a while and ponder on how one can be saved, let alone what there is to be saved, if you do not even believe in God in the first place?
In 2 Thessalonians 1, Paul spoke on what God has in store for the believers in the Church of Thessalonica:
" 8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of Lord Jesus.
9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of His power
10 on the day He comes to be glorified in His holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you."
Without the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit who works exclusively with the believers, there is no salvation for the non-believer.
2 Thessalonians 2 says:
"13 But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sactifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth.
14 He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Jesus Christ."
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
18 Nov 08
I'm responding to this from my e-mail so I have no idea what other responses you've gotten so far, but I'm afraid I'm absolutely no help other than to agree with you, I'm sure there is such a verse and I do remember very clearly being taught that very thing in Sunday School and at Youth Fellowship meetings when I was active in my church as a child and a young teen. I've also had the same type of debate with friends and acquaintances, some who claim you must belong to a specific religion or denomination to get into heaven, and have also been unable to name or locate the verse.
Annie
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@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
18 Nov 08
I asked my father, who is a scholar and a minister and he said, "Yeah, I know the verse." Then he got a blank look on his face and grabbed the bible. It's obscure and it isn't stressed among fundementalists. Hell, they don't even know it exists. But I'm desperate because I have this arguement and can't back it up. LOL. WHich is unusual for me.
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@rogerfederer (81)
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19 Nov 08
Good works done by Christians who share the Gospel of Jesus Christ are acknowledged by God.
Ephesians Chapter 2, verses 8-10:
" 8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is a gift of God - 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."
Should anyone who would do good works and not in the honor God, the deed is simply a boast because he would then be promoting himself. No one must take any credit for the good deed, and the deed must be done only according to the Word of God, in the name of Christ Jesus. Please read the whole chapter 2 so that nothing is taken out of context.
God bless you.
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@hildas (3031)
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18 Nov 08
There is quite a few that say this:
"And this is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. For all who do evil hate the light and do not come to the light, so that their deeds may not be exposed. But those who do what is true come to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that their deeds have been done in God." John 3:19-21)
Some people think all we need do to be saved is to profess our faith in Jesus as Son of God. But, John goes on to say that those people who prefer to keep living in sin do not truly believe in Christ. Anyone can say they have faith in Christ, but the way we live our lives is the evidence of whether we have truly come into the light of Christ:
Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!" Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. (NIV, John 3:3-6)
Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' (NIV, Matthew 7:21-23)
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
@cyntrow (8523)
• United States
18 Nov 08
I have always believed that that wide path is the path for non believers, but it doesn't state as such. That is just my interpretation.
In my lifetime, I have seen too many non believers who live a more Christ like existance than people who profess to be believers. Which, in my opinion, is the basis for Matthew 7:21.
But there is a verse that states that everyone will be given a second chance. In this, I've even stumped my father who is a scholar and a walking bible. LOL. He also knows of the verse, but he's looking for it.
@joerhonda (476)
• United States
26 Dec 08
Hi cyntrow...probably a little late now but I think the answers you are looking for are in James 2:17 and 2:24. Hope it helps you out.
Rhonda
@joerhonda (476)
• United States
26 Dec 08
Nevermind...these won't help you. I misread your post! Sorry! I thought you were looking for verses that included deeds or works. I did try to find where it said deeds alone, and I can't find anything.
Rhonda
@urbandekay (18278)
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19 Nov 08
Some one already quoted James here and this makes the matter clear but it needs a little 'unpacking.'
14What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
If a man say he has faith but has not works then we shall know that his has no faith. And if one attempts to do good works with no faith what shall the result be? Yeshua makes this clear.
Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
So, the two are linked, good works are a product of faith and an indicator of it
all the best urban
@craftcatcher (3699)
• United States
18 Nov 08
Hi cyn! It looks like you already have an answer but I thought I'd add that there is a great "searchable" bible online that might come in handy at sometime in the future. It has many different versions of the bible and you can search by keyword, passage or topic. It comes in very handy in a debate.
http://www.biblegateway.com/
@craftcatcher (3699)
• United States
18 Nov 08
Oopps I see you haven't found what you were looking for yet. Try Romans 2:13,14,15
13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
@craftcatcher (3699)
• United States
26 Nov 08
Hey cyn, it doesn't look like you've found your answer yet. Maybe you can find what you're looking for on one of these pages. I hope so! Both have lists of verses that pertain to your criteria.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/faithalone.html
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/saved.html
@thedogshrink (1266)
• United States
19 Nov 08
Can you, or your father, think of any actual words that are used in the verse -- and which translation? You need that to look it up on biblegateway.com, as someone suggested already.
I cannot think of any verse like that, but I'd like you to share it when you find it.
@kanniefabian (64)
• Philippines
19 Nov 08
Could this be the one you are looking for?
1 Samuel 2:3 (NIV)
"Do not keep talking to proudly or let your mouth speak such arrogance, for the Lord is a God who knows, and by him deeds are weighed".
@green_peace (110)
• Philippines
19 Nov 08
As far as i believe, We are saved by accpeting Jesus Christ as our own personal Lord and savior, "For God so loved that world that he gave his only son, whoever believes in him shall not persish but have an eternal life." JOHN 3:16. We are saved not by deeds nor good works, but by faith alone. But, it does not makes us complacent that we can do whatever we want for we are saved by just believing. Good works just follows.
@jedimind (200)
• Singapore
24 Nov 08
i think the verse you could be referring to is found in James 2:14-25
in summary, it talks about how faith without deeds is useless.
however, by no means does this mean that it is through deeds that you can enter heaven. the bible states clearly that it is only through believing in Jesus that we can enter heaven. what James means here is that when you believe in Jesus, it doesn't just end there.
believing in Jesus would mean having a relationship with him. and doing so, you would want to do the things that are on Jesus' heart. therefore a result of believing in Jesus would be to do his works. therefore, if you claim to believe in Jesus, but have no works, it's as good as saying you never believed in Jesus in the first place.
@Starflames (261)
• United States
19 Nov 08
Hmmm... By your own responses above, you've also suggested a possible Second Chance at salvation...
Are you possibly thinking of Revelation 20:1-15 and/or Ezekiel 37:1-14?
@cfmedrano (240)
• Philippines
19 Nov 08
Sorry......I have no idea too but I hope someone here in mylot can help you. Have a great day and I hope I can also have that verse because I feel it sounds great! Good luck!