What are your views on Wicca
By Bobbi1971
@Bobbi1971 (42)
United States
November 18, 2008 8:55pm CST
For many years now there have been horrible misconceptions of Wicca and Paganism. Many people believe that Wiccans and Pegans are satan worshipers. When really that is a farse by far! Many think that the pentacle is an "devil sign" when it really is just a sign of all the elements of earth. Nothing harmful, just natural. Wiccans use herbs and all naturual things in their spells and decorate theier alters accordingluy. For example, my alter for Shamin (Halloween) has atumn leaves, goards and a pumpkin in addtion to the Candles. Utalizing the earth and its bounties is a big thing to wiccans and there is nothing wrong with it at all. What are your views?
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19 responses
@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
19 Nov 08
I know that it is not witchcraft. My boyfriend's mother is a Wiccan and she told me all about it, but I also had a few other friends who were also Wiccans before I met my boyfriend's mother.
Wiccan is a faith, and practice, where people worship the spirits of the elements of the Earth. Everything is about nature. If you think about the Native American faiths, then it is just like that. It is all about the Earth and nature. People who are Wiccans, are not Witches, do not confuse the two. People who practice Wicca do not believe in hurting others and they are incredibly open-minded. Yes, people who practice Wicca are actually nicer than Christains because they do not believe in judging others or forcing you to believe in what they believe in.
@rogue13xmen13 (14403)
• United States
20 Nov 08
Well, yes, but not those flying on the broom, looking like they came out of "The Wizard of Oz" witches. More like, just being in touch with the natural elements and using certain spells witches. Wiccans are certainly not Satanist. Not that there is anything wrong with Satanism because I read the Satanism Bible, and they are not what the Christians make them out to be. Yeah, they use witchcraft, but again, it is not like what people see in films and television. It's all very spiritual.
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@tinamwhite (3252)
• United States
19 Nov 08
Most Wiccans do indeed consider themselves to be witches! Wiccans also utilize witchcraft in many of their religious rituals...
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@chasingsunlight (261)
• United States
19 Nov 08
I honestly find Wicca to be very interesting and would like to learn more about it. I think the way Wiccans basically commune with nature is pretty unique and I can see why people would be interested in that.
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@jwfarrimond (4473)
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22 Nov 08
If you're meaning Willow Rosenburg, she's not fat! Unless she's expanded post Buffy.
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
23 Nov 08
Never heard of her, I'm talking about Starhawk, and the description is roughly her own words from the Canadian TV production "The Burning Times".
Lash
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
19 Nov 08
People who know about ancient religions would agree with you. Being a Hindu, I am aware of the worship of nature and its forces coz Hinduism is one of the most ancient religions surviving till this day and has many similarities with wicca and paganism. Even Hindus were / are considered Pagans by the ‘enlightened’ Abrahamic religions! Before the advent of Christianity and Islam, people followed these pagan religions, namely they worshipped the many forces of nature as Gods and had various temples. Christianity and Islam tried to destroy paganism as it goes against the very fundamental theory of monotheism. Another vital difference maybe the worship of the Mother Earth by pagans whereas the ‘enlightened religions’ were all propagated by and for men and worshipped a God who is always HE. Paganism / wicca has nothing to do with Satan, rather it’s a very holistic approach towards life in harmony with nature.
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
19 Nov 08
And thirteen makes a coven lol. I followed the Wiccan path for several years in the 90s, and I found it very useful in delineating a spirituality I could accept, even if I mainly saw the whole thing as a brilliant archetypal pattern on which to base a life, rather than as a religion. I moved into Tantra after that, but I still have a very soft spot for Wiccan and other neo-Pagan beliefs.
Lash
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@kasouyumi (165)
• United States
19 Nov 08
I think if you just waste your time worshipping statues and idols and call the quarters without feeling or honor, then you are not a true wiccan. If you don't respect the laws of nature or appreciate the universe,yourself and your OWN abilities,then you are not really a devout wiccan.That is how i feel. Only you can define what it means to be wiccan or pagan. That is why there are different paths of paganism.
People fear and hate what they don't understand of course, so if they are not educated about your beliefs then they will see you as being 'the outsider'.
Me... I choose to worship the universe, not just the elements of earth. Science and magik are one,along with art and knoweledge. Instead of going on one path, I am curious about all of them.
Wiccanism is not about worshipping or following, it's about finding your own desires and being who you want to be.
I don't know if you can call me a wiccan or pagan(or corny),but I don't worship gods/goddesses...I worship the powerful universe and everything in it.Those are my beliefs and I am sticking to them.
@tennissandgirl (196)
• United States
19 Nov 08
Honestly don't know much about either religious belief. I think that most people are scared of what they don't know and they say things regardless of if it is true or not, which in a scene is worse then anything else! Thanks for sharing about your beliefs!
@Ravenladyj (22902)
• United States
19 Nov 08
I, like a few others here, started out on the Wiccan path some yrs ago but found it didnt fit so I moved on from there. Truth be told I'd been living a Pagan life or rather had Pagan beliefs and habits I guess you could say long before ever knowing the term Pagan even existed..I'm still a Pagan to this day and a Witch but not Wiccan....I think the only thing about Wicca that I could say is negative IMO is the fact that its such a OVERLY positive thing. By that I mean the Wiccan way seems to concentrate far too much on "good/happy/positive" when in reality life is NOT one sided like that..Its great for those who can live that way but me being me and coming from where I do history wise that just isnt real to me...THeres plenty of other things about Wicca that dont sit with me but none of them are bad by any means, they're just not my cup of tea...
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
19 Nov 08
They are worshiping idols. I thought that paganism is the worship of many idols and not of the one true God, and I usually think of worship the old Greek, Roman, and Nordic gods. When I think of Wicca, I think it is a descent of the old Celtic gods. I do not think that they are better lovers of nature then Christians or others, but I do think that they are so much into nature worship that if they were in a rowboat in the middle of the Atlantic and there was the choice of throwing the baby out or the dog, they would throw out the baby.
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
19 Nov 08
And yet another distastefully malicious post from Suspenseful.
Lash
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
20 Nov 08
Actually, I'd jump out of the boat myself, and try to swim along and push it.
I'm not even saying that as a pagan, but as a decent human being.
Most people I know, let alone pagans, would do the same thing.
Suspenseful, I reckon you were being kinda...well, you were grossly generalizing and you know that's not a nice thing to do for groups of people (no matter who they are).
@craftcatcher (3699)
• United States
20 Nov 08
The old saying "ignorance is bliss" must fit you like custom made shoes.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
20 Nov 08
Um, speaking from a pagan POV...of course I have no problem with Wicca.
I admire alot of the non-fluffy bunny Wiccans, actually. They've alot more spiritual discipline than me...picking a branch of paganism and sticking with it.
(I stay eclectic 'cause that's where I fit the best).
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@Galena (9110)
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22 Nov 08
fluffy bunnies is a term used by Pagans to describe the sort of people who think that the universe is all sweetness and light, that they've read a book and think that book is the be all and end all of Pagan experience, and because they know the book, they know Paganism well. they tend to have lots of crystals, and shiny things, and beleive some of the silly false histories that are around, such as the idea that "nine million sweet innocent Pagans were burned at the stake in "the burning times" and that when someone points out this is very historically innacurate, they don't want to hear it. they'd rather beleive the lies, as it fits in with their fantasy better.
so that's a fluffy bunny. usually they grow out of it. but sometimes they don't
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
23 Nov 08
I have friends that are wiccan and pagan and for the longest time I got the two mixed up. Either way, I think both are beautiful religions and I find them both facinating. I think it is funny how people get all scared of this as if they hold some "magic" powers. They are such down to earth, natural people. How ironic, they are not afraid of a religion that promises them eternity of burning in Hell if they don't live up to certain standards that almost all of us have failed by the time we were 6 or 7.
@dark_joev (3034)
• United States
9 Dec 08
I am perfectly cool with it as I am not a christian and don't believe in the devil. I also know a few Wiccans/Pagans so yeah I don't have anyone who follows a religion that is modeled after what could be the oldest religion in the world. I myself follow my own spirality. I hope I didn't offend anyone by refering Wiccan/ Paganism as a religion cause I know some like to call it a spiriality so that way it doesn't get confused with Christianity and the Churches that exist....
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
22 Nov 08
Well I consider myself to be Wicca. For me it is a nature religion where some of the followers worship a Goddess and a God and some of them are witches but that has nothing to do with Satanism.
I believe that the Christian Church invented Satanism and then labelled Pagans as Satanists so they could attack them and persecute them. The Church was good at doing things like that.
I mean think about it Satanists say the Latin mass backwards. Ok when the Christians were busy accusing people of being Satanists (I prefer that term than calling them witches which gets confusing) the only people who knew the Latin mass were priests. So only priests could do it backwards. I used to study witchcraft trials and none of the people they accused knew anything about the so called rituals they were supposed to have been doing but if you torture someone for long enough they will say anything to make you stop.
The original Satanists were priests, nuns and monks. The people they hunted down and persecuted were women who would not bow down and grovel at the feet of men. So I see the whole thing as an attack on women by the Church and they still do it. it has nothing to do with Paganism.
@Galena (9110)
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22 Nov 08
hmmm. think you need to research Satanism a bit more. it's not at all what you think it is. it's actually an atheist philosophy, rather than a reversed form of Christianity.
and those people persecuted as Witches were no more Pagan than the rest of their communities. they were ordinary people. and for the most part, Christian.
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
22 Nov 08
Well my historical studies of witchcraft trials led me to this belief but I did not take it further as a chose a different topic for honours degree in the end. I decided it was far to hard to read 16 century French which is where the studies were based.
The church called them witches etc. I used the term Satanist in this post to distinguish them from Pagan witches. The texts I was studying were Church documents of the actual trials so they were biased in favour of the Church.
@Galena (9110)
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22 Nov 08
the church called them Witches, as that was what they believed them to be practicing, or at least was what they were accusing them of.
the belief at the time was that this was the sort of thing Witches did.
and those people who were accused of it would have just been normal members of their community. there's no real evidence of any Pagans being involved in the Witch trials. at the time, the view of what a Witch was, had nothing to do with Paganism. and to follow a non Christian religion would not have marked anyone out as a Witch. because a Witch was, as perceived at the time, someone who had made a deal with the devil in exchange for magical powers.
the "wise women", "pellars" and so on, often claimed by modern Pagans as being the target of this, were in fact, often more likely to be using their abilities to seek out Witches.
@tamarafireheart (15384)
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19 Nov 08
Hi Bobbi1971,
In this day and age I really don't understand why people still pagan and Wicca worships the devil, well that is wrong pagans and Wicca don't believe in it only christains do because they are ignorant and do not want to know anything about it, I am a pagan and a witch and I'm proud of it, looking forward to Yule celebrations.
Blessed Be.
Tamara
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@chulce (1537)
• United States
3 Jan 09
It boggles the mind how many people out there say how educated they are and how much they know, when in all honesty they don't. If people did know and have an understanding, they would know what Wicca is about.
I just signed up recently and when I found your message, I thought I should comment.
I have been practicing for quite some time. There have been many times when I have had some religious organization representatives wonder up to my door and tell me what they are all about, etc. Then they ask what religion I practice, when I tell them that I don't and explain, they have a dumbfounded look on their faces. One guy actually told me, he had been a college professor and studied religions for years and never heard of Wicca before. I nearly fell over. Needless to say I asked the man to go. He still had the stupid look on his face.
More people need knowledge, so many don't have an understanding of where their religion came from in the first place. Oh Gee, the cave man practice a religion... hmmm I wonder what it was? Sorry for the sarcasm, but it drives me batty at times.
Blessed Be!
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@Galena (9110)
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22 Nov 08
my views o Wicca are
it is a modern Pagan initiatory tradition that came about in around the 1940s, and came to public awareness in the 1950s following the repeal of the Witchcraft act.
it was founded by Gerald Gardner, and draws inspiriration from other initiatory mystery traditions, such as freemasonry and the Golden Dawn, and it's religious views from various Pagan mythologies.
it operates a system of degrees of initiation, 1st degree, 2nd degree and third degree.
each initiate can trace their lineage through initiation back to Gardners original coven.
it follows an annual cycle of 8 festivals, 4 solar festivals, and 4 agricultural festivals. these are known as Sabbats. and also celebrates each full moon (and sometimes dark moons also) known as Esbats.
due to the nature of the initiation ceremonies, and that traditionally, many covens work skyclad, or naked, no reputable coven will initiate an under 18, and many set their age level higher, in order than the initiate has more life experience.
these days there are a lot of people that describe themselves as Wiccan, without actually following this path, as the tradition was layed out. there's nothing wrong with the way they're practicing, but they really should give it a different name, as it's a different path.
because it's a mystery tradition, you can't really learn it from books, as some parts are only allowed to be passed on in initiation.
so yeah. that's my opinion on Wicca. I've studied it in fair detail. just like I've studied other Pagan paths, such as Asatru, Voudou, and many others. I find it very interesting to study other Pagan paths, their histories, traditions, founders and practices.
I am a Traditional Witch myself.
@Galena (9110)
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22 Nov 08
well that's good.
usually the response I get to that is that I am somehow downplaying someones path when I say that what they do is not Wicca, when in fact all I am doing is pointing out the difference.
nothing wrong with being a "bog standard Pagan" as many of us describe ourselves.
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
23 Nov 08
Well I was born in a non practising Christian family and I spent much of my youth searching for a faith I could follow but the more I looked the more disappointed I became as all the major religions classified women as second class people and I could never accept that. I even followed Buddhism for years until I finally accepted that they saw women as people who could never be enlightened.
In the end I gave up and just followed what I felt within myself. In all these years I had never encountered Pagans until I met my partner who is ex Wicca and he told me a little of the nature religion. I have read a little about it but for me I felt I had come home. It seemed to be what I had spent my life searching for.
I still follow my heart and since Wicca is an initiation religion it is unlikely I will ever follow it as there are none that I know of here and my partner no longer practices. So I suppose I make it up as I go according to what feels right for me. I have not read about magic and with my memory not being very good at the moment I am unlikely to learn the details and rituals at the moment but it will be part of my future learning. My journey has left me with a strong core and a very open mind. I will even put aside my strongest beliefs if it can be shown to me that I am incorrect in that belief. I am guided by my inner self as to what seems right to me so it is quite possible I can make mistakes.
@shaggin (72021)
• United States
2 Nov 10
I have a friend who is Pagan. I really think that the rituals they do is very weird but I pretty much think any rituals in any religion is weird. I dont know what I believe anymore. I used to be christian but now I'm skeptical. I think witchcraft is pointless.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
20 Nov 08
Neither, so no that's not correct.
All religions get their wackos every now and again, but the religions themselves do not advocate sacrificing animals or people and any self respecting pagan or witch would never condone it either.
Paganism and Wicca in general tends to promote the celebration of life...so killing for these religions specifically would be kinda stupid.
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@mz2981 (36)
• Qatar
19 Nov 08
hi,
I like witchcraft because it sort of an art and challenging. I am not a pagan I am a catholic actually. Weird combination huh. Anyway if you don't use it in a bad stuff , witching is just fine. I am just curious if the spell really works, because I know some but I took it as a joke so I am not sure if it works.
@cypresstwist (35)
• Romania
19 Nov 08
Wicca has nothing to do with Satanism. Modern Satanism worships man as the ruler of his own destiny, Wicca worships nature. Satanism is more human-centric, Wicca centers around life and nature.