Can the Average American actually help turn this ecomony around?
By lilwonders
@lilwonders456 (8214)
United States
November 20, 2008 11:56am CST
It was asked what the average american can do the help our ecomony of all the candidates during the primary. They all had the same answer. BUY AMERICAN.
They explained that the comsumer dictates the market. If we start only buying american products then companies will start making products here in american to stay competitive in the market. This will create more jobs in THIS country for American workers.
They also explained that at first it you may have few choices or have to take the extra time to find american products....but that the market would shift to our shopping demands and in time we would have plenty of choices and better prices.
American is one of the top consuming countries in the world. We decided that we wanted cheaper products reguardless of the country they came from. So manufactoring companies took their factories to countries that would allow them to offer products as cheaply as possible. Walmart is living proof of that. Everytime we shop there we are supporting another country's (or countries) ecomony not our own.
Do you think this would work? More importantly would the American public actually do it? Will we take the extra time and effort (and yes a little more money) to invest in our own ecomony?
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12 responses
@newtondak (3946)
• United States
20 Nov 08
The problem with this scenario is that generally, American-made products are more expensive than foreign-made. There are also a lot of products that there just aren't American-made "varieties" available to purchase.
If people could afford to buy products (regardless of where they are made) part of the problem would be solved - but because of the economy, people just don't have the money to buy ANYTHING - most are having a hard time keeping a roof over their heads and food on the table.
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@newtondak (3946)
• United States
20 Nov 08
If our leaders want the American people to do things to help the economy, THEY should be setting an example - and the way they have been spending our tax dollars is not setting a very good example.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
20 Nov 08
I agree that congres needs to more responsible. But we are their bosses. We pay thier salaries. We hired them when we elected them. Want them behave better, then tell them to behave better. The only get away with all this stuff because we the american people let them get away with it. COntact your elected officials. Keep contacting them and get your friends to until they get the picture and if htey do not get hte picture fire htem when they come up for re-election.
The american public should not wait for congress to set hte example. We set the example of what we exspect from them. Not hte other way around.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
20 Nov 08
Ya that was brought up to the politicans. They said that people should make an effort to buy as many american made products as possible and if that means you pay a little more than you bite the bullet and make cut backs on other things to be able to do it. Easier said than done. But they said that once the market realizes that we are wanting american products than more companies will get into it and then we will have more products to choose that are made in america and better prices due to competition of american products. It makes sense. We just have to be able to bite the bullet and do it.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
20 Nov 08
Sometimes it's not easy to know whether you're buying American products or not. I do know that our trucks are American products...a Dodge and a Ford...but is our Sony television one? I'm pretty sure the RCA is but what about the Prima? My laptop is a Dell and the other PCs are Compaqs, so are they American made? I don't know where some of the stuff I buy at Wal-Mart come from and many times there are not American made alternatives. I've always tried to support American made products but I also have to watch my personal bottom line and won't spend twice as much to be patriotic.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
20 Nov 08
Another problem that I just thought of is that we're not planning to make any major purchases in the near future so, aside from some Christmas gift spending, we're really not going to help the economy much with our spending.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
20 Nov 08
Look at the packaging on the product. It will say what country it was made it.
It is not a matter of being patriotic. It is a matter of our own survival. You do not have to buy everything "american made" just take the time and effort to look for them and buy them when you can.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
20 Nov 08
How about doing a search engine to see what toys are made in america. I know little tyke toys is still made in America. There are others. Look around and see what you find. You might also find some good deals due to the ecomony plus you do not have the same worries as you do with toys made in china (lead).
I am not saying you have to buy american. Just take look around and see what is out there. Most people do not know what is and is not made here.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
21 Nov 08
The main problem, is, that there are a huge amount of obstacles in the way for American products to be made here. Caused by alot of things. Lobbyists, stupid politicians, state laws, stupid people...time, surrounding circumstances like people, weather...
That's no excuse, of course. Why can't we just have a ton of small businesses per area? The smaller the operation, the more likely it can stick around (the obstacles tend to grow if your dream is to be a big American company).
The other thing is, people need to start making their own jobs. Most of the ones around today aren't American companies and alot of them have proven they don't give a dang, so...we need to start getting creative.
There's stuff about that'll help us adjust and try to do this. Flea markets, farmer's markets, church sales, yard sales, growing our own food when applicable...
Some cities have also started CSA's and new science-based agriculture products (which employ citizens of the city, particularly those who aren't well off).
It could definitely work. Transition period is usually not very fun. But localized economies are what we had before. It worked usually pretty lovely, in fact.
I'm doing my part, I'm trying to start a farm on a little over an acre of land and I'm going to go about selling fresh and preserved produce to flea markets and farmer's markets around my immediate area. If I'm really successful, I'll have to file the appropriate papers as a "self-employer & small business"...and that's something I'm dreading, but I think it'll help me and my family become more independant from an ailing economy. Before we moved out here this autumn, we had a victory garden in the city which helped us survive the price spikes (friends also had victory gardens and we traded and bartered amongst ourselves).
In a few areas of my state, it's still pretty rural and the economy is still "back-to-the-basics" based...and they're the BEST off, so I'm pretty sure if we did similiar things, we could move forward into the future, instead of floundering in what recent past events have wrought us.
Don't get me wrong, I don't have a ton of love for globalization but I think I might feel different if we actually have a solid foundation (a localized economy) first and foremostly. Then, globalization in some areas wouldn't hurt nearly as much.
It's a more tried and proven model which I've only seen a few examples of failure (usually related to disease, natural disasters, and war on the native country's soil instead of abroad). It's more weatherable.
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@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
21 Nov 08
Excellent response.
Yes, there is a lot to be said for the concept of act local, think global. Much productivity and economy by clawing back what works locally back to consumption proximity.
The re-emergence of small local business serving the neighbourhood economy is a great way to beat aspects of the current crisis.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
21 Nov 08
The key is to be smart to be able to make yourself more affordable.
The vegetables and fruit I'll be growing will be organically grown because I can't afford the chemicles -- which'd end up harming the soil, bugs, amongst other things that I desperately need to make friends with.
And since I got most of my equipment for free and all my seeds and plants were cheap (about a dollar a piece)...I'll be much, much cheaper than anything you'll find at the store.
Little pints of tomatos for a dollar, pumpkins for a dollar a piece, watermelons priced according to size. I might as well call myself "dollar produce lady" because I cringe at pricing anything above a dollar. After just a couple days I'll have my money back for at least half of the plants I bought and will be making a profit.
The only tricky thing after this, is saving enough so that we won't have to buy mcuh at the grocery stores anymore, lmao. *will have to balance*
I know alot of artists, to make their art cheaper, are now buying their materials from local people, picking their equipment and stuff off the street...digging up some clay from their backyards, or bartering for it online. There's ways to do it, and there's no reason why thinking small can't get you enough money and provide a much needed service to contribute to your local area -- which will improve the economy.
You can be professional and frugal, back-to-basics AND sophisticated.
There's no reason why the idea can't succeed. People just need to try. I've seen quite a few people willing to and trying to do just this, this past year!
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
21 Nov 08
Great idea. I know I personally try to buy items that will help my local ecomony. I go to the famers market on the weekends to get my fruits and veggies. They are fresh, no pesticides, and I like the fact that my money is staying in my community.
I also try to shop in mom and pop shops instead of the bigger names. Sure I have to go to them sometimes for things but I try to shop as much as I can in local shops (which are dying fast right now).
@sid556 (30960)
• United States
21 Nov 08
I think it is a great idea but at this point with the economy as it is, I think it would be quite difficult. As you pointed out, American products are difficult to find and also out of many people's price range. To be honest, I don't see it happening as things have gone too far. It seems there are very few american products left to be found here in america.
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@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
22 Nov 08
I am not sure how this would work. Let us take the example of plastic toys for children.
A typical toy may comprise of several dozen parts. In China, whole areas have sprung up where a number of small factories operate in the vicinity of a larger one, feeding parts to the bigger one.
A good example would be the factory that puts together a number of Mattel toys. Mattel USA may send a production order for 20,000 pieces of a toy. The main factory will look at its component break down and place orders on as many as 10 smaller factories to produce the bits on a manufacturing schedule. Then the main factory assembles and ships.
It would be possible to establish an integrated factory in America to manufacture Mattel toys with a substantial investment. But to match the level of ancillarisation and production flexibility is beyond America's economic capability.
Nor is it desirable I think.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
21 Nov 08
Yes I agree there a few left. But as I stated, the buyer dictates the market. If we want american made product then to stay competetive companies will bring their factories here for that "made in america" label.
@Troublegum (641)
• United States
20 Nov 08
First off, it is not really the average americans job to save the economy. If each average american watches out for his/her own economics, the national econimics follows as well. I do try to by stuff from american companies, but remember that there really are very few products that you can buy where all of your money stays in the us, and there are very few products that you can buy that an american doesn't make money on. Rememner that more goes into a product than where it is made. The materials were purchased from somewhere and the packaging was purchased from somewhere. So although your product was made in the us it may have been made of foreign parts and shipped to you with foreign oil by a foreign (read DHL) complany. On the other had, you may buy a Toyota that was made in Kentucky, and there are a lot of american jobs that depend on you buying that car. Either way you slice it "buying american" is a lot trickier than one would think. So it is best to just look out for yourself. If you do well, and your neighbors do the same thing, we end up better off as a group.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
20 Nov 08
Are we better off now? We have lost 5 million manufactoring jobs in THIS country to oursourcing in the past few years. THose are Americans who no longer have a job or a way to support their families. We are paying tax dollars to pay thier unemployement, welfare and other social services. Were if we bought product manufactored here those people would have jobs and would be paying into the system instead of taking out of it.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
20 Nov 08
Actually that kind of thinking is what got us into this trouble in the first place. CEOs only looked out for their best interest at the exspense of others, Mortgages companies made mortgages that were toxic because they were only looking out for themselves. American want more pay and benefits because that is what is best for us. Americans want cheap products because that is hwat is best for us (even if hte products are foreign made).
Well all of this "taking care of ourselves at others expense" has landed where we are today. I definately do nto think that kind of thinking will get us out of it.
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@Troublegum (641)
• United States
21 Nov 08
Agreed on the CEO's but you have it backward on the Mortgage companies. They were forced by their own government to make loans to people who didn't qualify for them which is what aused the shart increase if failure to repay loans. Had the government allowed the banking industry to look out for its own best interests, that part of the problem wouldn't be a problem.
As for CEO's business are learning that they need to do a couple of things better. First, is to tie the salary of the CEO to the success of the company. Second is make the management of these companies more controllable by the owners (i.e. the shareholders) The major difference between the auto industry bailout, and the Mortgage bailout, is that the government is trying to fix a mess it created. In the auto industry it is trying to fix a mess that was created by the auto industry (with a little help from government and the Unions)
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
21 Nov 08
Waiting for stuff to happen sucks. It's always best to try to move in a better direction and try to prepare for the worst by doing so.
America's waited for the better future we were promised so many times before.
It's probably why we're where we are now. Everyone was waiting and hardly anyone was doing anything worthwhile (at least on the grand stage, where everything that's hurted us has happened).
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
21 Nov 08
It is better to pro-active instead of re-active. Don't wait, do it now.
@coffeechat (1961)
• New Zealand
20 Nov 08
Excellent topic.
A bit of background would be useful. After America's defeat in Vietnam we saw that in the seventies an ascendancy of Communist economies led by the former Soviet Union. The COMECON, which was the communist trading block was going on from strength to strength and a good 40% of world trade was no longer Sterling or dollar denominated.
Think tanks in the USA and key elements in the government pushed the idea of engagement with China to isolate the USSR politically and economically. The process that began during the Johnson administration was effectively "nailed" by Kissinger during the Nixon administration.
China was granted the Most Favorable Nation MFN trading status. This meant that import taxes were very low or entirely waived for products imported into the US from China. Corporate America and the rest of the world rushed to invest in China manufacturing, and have now created the ugly communist financial behemoth.
Then America pushed for the General Agreement in Trade Tariffs (GATT) and its successor the World Trade Organization. Globalization is the inevitable result. GATT proposed and effected multilateral agreements in:
1. Trade related investment measures (TRIMS)
2. Services - the General agreement of trade in services
3. Multilateral agreement on Trade in Goods.
4, Trade related Intellectual Property Measures (TRIPS)
[b]Every one knows that America is a net importer when it comes to #3, that is trade in goods.
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What is little known is that Corporate America is a significant winner in #1, 2 and 4.
In my opinion, US government intervention in the results of agreements in Trade in goods would not only be foolish but will only result in impoverishing America further. The status quo of trade in goods actually works to America's advantage.
Can the Average American actually help turn this ecomony around?
The answer is a resounding yes.
a1. Cut back personal consumption of electricity by 20%
Turn off unnecessary lights.
Use the washing machine / dish washer on a full load. Half loads are energy inefficient.
Minimize if not completely eliminate use of the dryer.
Turn down that thermostat by 5 degrees. Throw on a jersey instead.
a2. Walk or cycle when you can.
Car-pool where feasible.
Take public transport where possible.
a3. Push for investment in public transport.
Write your congressperson, besiege them with calls.
Instead of mucking around with supporting losing companies, they can effect directed investments to jumpstart the economy.
a4. Pay off your debts if you can. Particularly credit card debt.
If you cannot, put pressure on your bankers to restructure them cutting back interest rates to 7%. The banks have been bailed out, and it is now their turn to pass on the goodies. Lobby with congress to force the banks.
a5. invest in education and skills development to leverage on the three advantages that America has secured in the community of nations. See # 1,2 & 4 above. Make that your personal statement.
Focus on efficiency and productivity improvement type education.
While the work-ethic together with huge natural resources help America achieve prosperity for two hundred years, to sustain that prosperity huge productivity gains need to be made.
My two cents worth.
@kykidd (6812)
• United States
21 Nov 08
It seems odd that all of the candidates would answer with the same response. Because there really could be more than one answer to this question.
Had they have ask me what the average American could do, my answer would be to show some consumer confidence. I am talking about the middle class and above here. The people who have a little more to spend but don't.
Consumer confidence is what drives an economy. This was proven back in the days of the Depression. During this era the President said we need to go out and spend money. That is the only thing that will turn our economy around. And he was right.
At the time, everyone had gotten so tight that they would reuse nails. Could you imagine saving a nail and unbending it, so that you cold reuse it. I know times aren't that tough right now. But if we don't do something about this in the near future, it is going to happen again. Something really needs to be done about this consumer confidence, and the middle and upper class are the only ones that can do anything.
So I am hoping on the Thursday after Thanksgiving, these people go out and spend lots and lots of money! Thanks for starting this interesting discussion, and have a great day!
@Bluepatch (2476)
• Trinidad And Tobago
20 Nov 08
Its the standard policy thinking.
If everybody co-operates in doing the right thing, yes, you can, definitely.
If you think you don't make a difference because it doesn't apply to you or because there are so many doing it you damage the effort.
The people in any country always make real difference if they all work together.
If they don't, well, you've seen what can happen.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
21 Nov 08
Yep everytime we shop most of us are supporting another countries ecomony instead of our own.
@Isabellas2007 (192)
• United States
21 Nov 08
I think that purchasing American would work for the most part, but at the same time you have to remember that just because it says made in America does not mean the supplies for the product came from America. I think the American public is so sapped money wise because of the gas prices this summer that they can not afford anything extra at all. I know that when I do look I try to find American products, but if you go thru almost any kitchen aisle or any other aisle for that matter you can not find a product that says Made in America.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
21 Nov 08
Try looking online. There are places you can go that will tell you where things are made. But to tell you the truth if you are going into walmart or target you probly will not find anything or very little american made.
@killove (86)
• United States
21 Nov 08
let me start by saying good topic. buying American won't solve the problem. The problem starts with taxes. Large companies go where they can get tax breaks and save money so the CEO's can net 100 of millions of dollars. 2nd make products that can compare to other places. USA doesn't lead in technology, automotive, medicine (I'll stop there before I think about moving somewhere else). I think a good start would be; stop allowing other countries to out do us becuase they use plants and chemicals that are illegal in the USA. 2nd. Offer incentives to Americans who study abroad. Offer them a taxe free year or something. Over 40% of them stay or go to another country.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
21 Nov 08
I agree that will help. What will also help is Americans caring what country makes their goods. YOu would think after last christmas and the whole poisoned with lead toy scare that people would learn about getting products from other countries.
@carmelsuarez (329)
• Philippines
21 Nov 08
It depends how determined the average American to help turn the economy around. Things about success will always depends on the person who is doing it.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
21 Nov 08
I think it just depends on how many people will be willing to take the time to find american products.