Have you seen the latest news and the petition to force Obama to release the BC?
By ladyluna
@ladyluna (7004)
United States
November 24, 2008 1:07pm CST
"Do you know Americans who still care about little matters like constitutional eligibility for presidents?
Do you know others who will put their names to this petition and pass it along?
Then put your name to it and e-mail it to your entire Christmas card list.
I'm not asking you to march in the streets of Washington.
I'm not asking you to send money for a courtroom battle.
I'm not asking you to write to your congressman.
I'm asking you to take about 90 seconds to put your name and e-mail address on the petition and send it to others.
I believe it can make a profound difference.
At the current rate, before the end of December, we'll have 1 million signed up on this petition. We can get there faster if you can help me circulate it beyond WND readers.
I would think a petition of 1 million names would be sufficient evidence of public interest for nearly any judge."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81865
Sign the petition here:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
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To those who have declared that this matter has been put to rest by the Daily Kos and Factcheck submissions:
First, I don't care to debate this issue any farther. If you believe that Barack Obama was fully vetted, then you can continue to bask in your naivety, or you can pick up your phone and call your local FBI office. Ask the "Information Officer on Duty" to explain to you the process for presidential vetting. Oh, and a kind warning: Don't take drink or eat while you're listening to the Information Officer. I wouldn't want you to choke when you learn that there is no authorized criminal background check policy for any official government agency to vet ANY presidential candidate!!! Don't take my word for it, pick up your phone and hear it with your own ears! In point of fact, the FBI considers it an violation of Constitutionally outlined personal privacy to investigate any presidential candidate, without due cause.
http://www.fbi.gov/contact/fo/fo.htm
I would also suggest that the majority of Americans have not sufficiently followed the facts of the numerous lawsuits filed in States across the nation. I would especially urge you to familiarize yourself with the lawsuit filed by the United States Justice Foundation on behalf of Presidential candidate Alan Keyes. The USJF/Keyes case has the strongest legal argument to force Obama's hand in releasing his official, long-form birth certificate.
http://www.usjf.net/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=index&catid=13
Although, let us not forget the Donofrio - New Jersey lawsuit, which has been "distributed for conference on Dec. 5, 2008 in the United States Supreme Court". If four of the nine justices decide to hear the case, then full oral arguments will be scheduled. F.Y.I. -- Donofrio originally asked the New Jersey state court to review the citizenship of Barack Obama, John McCain and Roger Calero. Calero was the Venezuelian-born Socialist Worker’s Party Presidential candidate.
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Other links and excerpts:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81698
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81547
Or, just type "obama's birth certificate" into your web browser.
"In a startling development, Obama's Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama's birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya."
"In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4."
"... the "Fight the Smears" website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess."
"Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?pageId=79174
"She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest."
http://www.topix.com/forum/source/santa-cruz-sentinel/T69EVMBP8CV1ADUMG
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Like I said above, the time for debate is long over. Those who value the U.S. Constitution have until 1/19/09 to force Barack Obama to surrender to the demand that he prove his eligibity to occupy the Office of the Presidency. Regardless of political party affiliation, we should all be willing to stand up and demand that any and every presidential candidate be legally required to corroborate their Constitutionally outlined eligibility. If Obama is allowed a pass on proving his eligibility it will set an iron-clad precedent for potential fraudsters in the future! There is a huge, gaping crack in our election laws right now which allows presidential candidates to dance around the Constitutionally defined eligibility requirements. It is the duty of every U.S. citizen to demand that those loopholes be closed. That will only happen if enough U.S. Citizens stand up and demand complaince from every candidate. Never again should we allow any candidate to refuse to comply with our laws!!!
Thank you for taking the time to read, respond, and most especially for putting country before candidate by signing the petition.
For your convenience, here is the link to the petition:
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81550
11 responses
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Any candidate who refuses to comply with our laws as a candidate is guaranteed to refuse to comply with our laws once they assume office.
0bama does not believe in the US Constitution and considers it to be flawed... yet that is the same Constitution that he will swear top protect and follow when he takes his oath of office.
Since he doesn't believe in the Constitution he will have forsworn his oath even as he utters it, as he will be making an oath that he has no intention of keeping and does not believe in.... kinda like his promise to use public campaign funds that he then promptly reneged on when he saw all of those special interest and illegal campaign contributions pouring in.
Until 0bama proves that he is eligible to be president I will consider him to be a usurper with no right to hold the office that he so far has fraudulently won.
All he has to do is provide the valid birth certificate, intact, with the name of the hospital and country.... and that country of birth must be the US... if it isn't, then he is in big trouble.
So what is he trying to hide?... His refusal to provide this proof is proof enough that he is hiding something.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
26 Nov 08
Hello Destiny,
A usurper -- hmmmm, an interesting designation. Until he responds to the legal challenges to his Constitutional eligibility I suspect that many will share your designation.
You make an excellent point about the hypocrisy of being willing to swear to uphold a document that you believe to be malleable, and thusly insignificant.
Not only is his refusal to provide the document a refusal to substantiate his constitutional eligibility, and therefore should have disqualified him from ever having been placed on the ballot, it is also, as you point out, a troubling omen. If he will throw good money after bad to conceal the 'secret' on the birth certificate, what else will he conceal from 'We The People'?
Excellent response, Destiny!!!
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
25 Nov 08
I finally heard a legal arguement concerning 0bama's BC that makes good sense. The long and short of it is that it really does not matter if he was born in Kenya or not. 0bama is a NATURAL BORN US CITIZEN.
Here's the lowdown.
If 0bama's mother had been married and gave birth to 0bama in Kenya, because of the law at that time, 0bama's mother's age, and the short time of her actual residence in the USA, the law at that time would not have conferred citizenship on 0bama.
Here's the important point. 0bama's mother was not married to 0bama's father. Not only has no marriage liscense ever been seen by anyone, Barrack 0bama Senior was already married to someone else. This means, even if there is a marriage liscense, Barrack 0bama Senior was never married to 0bama's mother. This is very important. The law at that time was that if a single woman unquestionably a US citizen gave birth to child anywhere in the world, the child was a US citizen.
Given 0bama does not want to realease the birth certificate, I'm sure there is something mighty embarassing on it, but it would seem nothing that would disqualify 0bama from being President.
Still, the birth certificate should be released to remove all doubt.
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
25 Nov 08
I totally agree with your reasoning. I strongly believe 0bama should have to produce his orginal birth certificate.
Consider my post a prediction of what the outcome of 0bama producing his BC will be. 0bama will be embarrassed, but still President.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Hello Red,
It takes alot of courage to publicize a prediction. I certainly respect your inherent courage. For me though, the issue isn't the outcome as much as it is the process. Barack Obama must not be allowed to refuse to comply with our laws. I absolutely do not care if his skin color is black, brown, white, green purple, or blue! No one is above the law, and when they act as if they are, it portends very badly for the rest of us!!!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Hello Red,
I agree, the argument is logical. And yet, it misses the pulse of the issue -- a candidate has been given a pass on proving his constitutional eligibility! Other candidates throughout our history have been disqualified for this very reason. Yet, because this particular candidate was not vetted, and refused to comply with demands to confirm his constitutional eligibility the very issue of constitutional eligibility will henceforth be no better than situational, as this election has seemingly set a precedent that a candidate need not respond to questions of constitutional eligibility. Hmmm, doesn't that pave the way for other than "natural born citizens" to achieve the highest office in the land???
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@thedogshrink (1266)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Ladyluna, thanks for posting this. I signed the petition, and I'm glad you let us know about this one, since I signed one before the election but it apparently didn't go far enough or something.
I agree wholeheartedly that this is a very serious matter because of our beloved Constitution (at least to me it's beloved). That is the biggest reason also that I didn't vote for Obama: that he believes the Constitution can and should be changed, or rather "interpreted" by judges with "empathy".
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The Constitution is all we have. That's it. Once we let it slide thru the mud, we're doomed.[/b]
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Hello Dogshrink,
I couldn't agree more!!! Only the thinnest thread holds the fabric of our Democratic Republic together. Without the most diligent maintenance our system could easily fade into obscurity. Like you, I believe that this experiment in the Democratic Process happens to be the most inspired in the history of mankind. As such, I will do everything in my power to honor and maintain it.
Thanks so very much for your terrific point about how vital the preservation of the Constitution is to the future of our nation!!!
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@newtondak (3946)
• United States
24 Nov 08
It is my understanding that the more important issue lies in whether or not Obama's mother gave up his American citizenship when she gave up her own when she remarrried and moved out of the country.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
24 Nov 08
Hello Newtondak,
Yes, there are several issues at stake. The fact that Indonesia did not recognize dual citizenship is certainly relevant, as the official Indonesian school records do indicate Indonesian citizenship, and there has been no evidence submitted to support a request for reinstatement of U.S. citizenship when young Obama returned to Hawaii at age 10. The Indonesian citizenship also is of issue as it pertains to Obama's visit to Pakistan when he was at Columbia. The U.S. had restricted travel to Pakistan at that time, so it is believed that he travelled on an Indonesian passport. The Keyes lawsuit addresses this issue by including not only the "Certificate of Live Birth" requirement, but an ancillary requirement for all passports held in his name, including all travel stamps.
There's also the issue of the antiquated Hawaiian statute which allowed foreign births to be recorded as Hawaiian, which cannot be addressed until the issue of the location of the actual birth has been authenticated.
So, it all hedges on that Cert of Live Birth, which Obama has declined to release.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
25 Nov 08
LadyLuna,
Excellent post, as always! I signed the petition simply because I don't believe anyone is above the law, especially the supreme law of the land, our constitution! I have to agree with so many people who have posted comments here and that is, if there is nothing to hide, then why hide it? If it were me it would be front page center of every paper that would run it---if I didn't have anything to hide! I tend to agree with Redyellowblackdog that there will be something embarrassing but not terminal to the presidency. On the other hand, it could have been terminal to his candidacy had it come out before the election!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
26 Nov 08
Greetings Sir Rodney,
I absolutely agree that in our fair land -- no one is above the law! Though, it would seem that there are those who need be reminded of that fact.
I have no predictions about this mess.
I know what should happen.
I know the apathy that exists within our nation.
And, I know the power that the political parties hold.
So, Red may have hit the nail on the head. Though I, and many others, will never surrender the Constructionist fight! Our Constitutional foundation is simply That Important!
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
26 Nov 08
LadyLuna,
I'm not sure which state you refer to since I live in the border city of Texarkana on the Eastern border of Texas and the Western border of Arkansas so I'll critique both.
East Texas is well known for it's lush piney woods and abundance of wildlife. There are at least five and probably more major lakes and reservoirs in a 150-80 mile radius, some of those being; Lake Wright Patman, Lake Fork and Sam Rayburn Reservoir. These lakes offer a multitude of opportunities for recreation and relaxation. As you can probably tell I am an outdoorsman and many of my activities involve nature but I also like some indoor "sports" as well. Just 70 miles south of my residence is the Shreveport-Bossier City area of Northern Louisiana and my wife and I enjoy going there to play our favorite casino games and occaisionally go to the horse races.
In giving you a con about this area I can only think of one and that is the summers here can get very hot and humid. I believe from most of your posts I have read you hail from the Arizona/New Mexico area and deal with heat on a regular basis but this heat combined with the hummidity is a real energy sapper. This also goes for the Arkansas side of the critique.
Arkansas holds about the same type of opportunities for recreation but with the majesty of the foothills of the Ozark mountains less than 100 miles away it offers some different variations that East Texas doesn't. I do all of my hunting in Arkansas since I live in that state and am too cheap to buy an out of state license and then pay for a lease in Texas LOL! On the norther border of Arkansas is Missouri and just across that border is the city of Branson which I'm sure you have heard of. I've only been there once but it is a very entertaining town if you enjoy the country genre of music.
Economically this area might be a little behind most medium to large cities but we are growing rapidly. Interstate 49 is rapidly being finished between here and Shreveport to the South and Ft. Smith Ar. to the North and with the completion of that North-South corridor the sky is the limit as far as new industry and business. I guess one of the benefits of being a little below the curve so to speak is somewhat lower prices on many things, such as; yesterday I filled my gas tank for $1.57 a gallon which is about 30 to 40 cents lower than national average.
Texarkana has four high schools, one on the Arkansas side of the city and which I can sit on my front porch and hear the football games on Friday night. The Texas side of the city, as you can probably guess is the side that is groing more rapidly than the Arkansas side. That is the reason there are three high schools in the Texarkana Texas school district. We are also home to the Texarkana Community College and Texas A & M Texarkana which is the upper class level of that school.
I hope this gives you a little peek at this area and if there is something specific you would like to know please don't hesitate to ask.
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@murderistic (2278)
• United States
24 Nov 08
As far as I know, the problem here is not Obama's birth certificate not being public, the problem is that the Berg thinks it is a fake, however it was verified by the state of Hawaii, so it is not likely that this case is going anywhere. I know it is easy to think that this is some conspiracy but to me it just seems like a lawyer who thinks very highly of himself is trying to go down in history for this case. It just seems like a desperate attempt that isn't being taken very seriously by the courts. But Obama is required to respond to Berg's Writ of Certiorari by December 1st, so I think we'll soon be seeing how this is going to play out. Honestly I don't think that an online petition is going to mean anything to the Supreme Court, this is not a matter of opinion, it is a matter of fact. Either Obama is a natural-born US citizen or not. You should be writing online petitions to the news agencies who are so gracefully not reporting the case. Lol.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
24 Nov 08
Hello Murderistic,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this issue.
I have followed all of the pending, and closed cases very closely, including petition reviews of all available suits.
Berg's case was astonishly vague, broad, and void of standing because of the incredibly wide net cast to force Barack Obama off of the ballots. It was a poorly framed legal argument. Hence, its demise!
Thank you for bringing up the Hawaii Secretary of State. I believe that I have reviewed all press releases including any direct quotes Hawaii's governor, Registrar of Vital Records and SOS. None of whom have authenticated a hospital BC on file, only an official BC. It sounds as though you have followed this issue, so I'm sure you know the difference between a Birth Certificate and a Certificate of Live Birth.
As for the petition: The reason why it is relevant is because --
"Another lawsuit attempting to obtain a copy of Barack Obama's Hawaiian birth certificate was thrown out Friday by a judge who said there was [b]"insufficient evidence to indicate that the public interest supports" the document's release.
Can you think of any lawsuit that has ever been dismissed due to "insufficient ... public support" before? I find it unconscionable that a duly authorized officer of the court had the audacity to dismiss a case due to lack of evidence of public interest. [/b] Does this mean that cases in Hawaii are tried based on public interest instead of case law?
"Judge Bert Ayabe upheld arguments from Republican Gov. Linda Lingle's office, which, inexplicably, has fought tooth and nail to protect the birth certificate from public scrutiny even though it remains the key to establishing whether the man elected to be the next president is actually eligible under the Constitution.
Ayabe ruled that Andy Martin, the man who filed the suit, did not have standing under state law because he did "not have a direct and tangible interest in the vital statistic records being sought, namely the birth certificate of President Obama."
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=81865
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
24 Nov 08
I have signed the petition. Obama's BC isa burning question in my mind. Why all the secrecy? If it is just a rumor then I would have thought there would be no problem in showing a BC which can be examined by the government agency qualified to prove or disprove that the BC is not fake and that Obama is a legitimate natural BORN citizen of the USA.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Hello Whiteheather,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this issue.
I believe that you have asked the $64,000.00 question: "Why all the secrecy?"
Why has the now President-elect not efforted himself to get this white elephant off of his back?
It's such an easy issue to put to rest. All he has to do is sign a simple, standardized release form for the Hawaii Registrar of Vital Records, and violá this whole matter could be ended. Why then has he refused, and wrangled the issue through the judiciary FOR YEARS?
Thank you, Whiteheather!!!
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
24 Nov 08
Done, LadyLuna, and it is a small thing to ask. If we have gotten to the point where honest and loyal citizens fear to ask for the simple truth when "vetting" their candidates, then things have gone too far. I will come out from under my rock and join you on this one.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Hello Drannhh,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this issue.
Yes, I agree that it is indeed a small thing to ask. I'm thrilled to see you dive into the taboo provocative, since the issue speaks to the life-blood of our freedoms. You are absolutely correct my friend, when the citizens of a free nation are no longer allowed to openly vet their candidates, then the nation is no longer free!
@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
24 Nov 08
I have to say I simply don't know what his problem is. If I would run for president and people would doubt my birth right to do that, I would do all in my power to satisfy their curiosity. I wouldn't want people to have a shadow of a doubt about a simple thing like that. Btw, I couldn't run for president as I'm not born here. My guess is that he is born in Hawaii but there is something highly embarrassing on that birth certificate that he doesn't want us to know about.
Either way, he should produce it to proof the legitimacy of his attaining the presidency. I wouldn't want that doubt hang over me, if it is so easily erased.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
25 Nov 08
Hello Jonesy123,
Like you, I would do all in my power to purge my administration of tangled webs, were I to have been elected President. No doubt that shadow of doubt of which you speak will forever imprint the new administration. One would have to be highly motivated to consciously choose that shadow of doubt, eh?
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@PrincessKitten (790)
• United States
24 Nov 08
This is silly. Even if he were born in Russia, his mother is an American citizen.
I'm all for citizen awareness and involvement in political affairs, this just seems way too rediculous to bother with.
Happy MyLotting!
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
24 Nov 08
Hello PrincellsKitten,
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this. However, as was clearly outlined in the discussion, anyone's assignment of silliness or seriousness is not at issue here. What is of issue is whether or not U.S. citizens care enough about their Constitution to demand compliance to eligibility requirements.
And, for the record:
There is a distinct and relevant difference between a "natural born citizen" and a "naturalized citizen"? That is the heart of the question about Obama's full, hospital record, birth certificate. The fact that only one of his parents was a U.S. Citizen is key to this issue of eligibility. The only way to prove that he is a "natural born citizen" and not a "naturalized citizen" is for Barack Obama to officially authorize the Hawaii Secretary of State, or Registrar of Vital Records to release his hospital, long-form birth certificate for authentication.
Obama has known that it is in his power to put this issue to rest for some time. He is a Constitutional lawyer after all. Surely he knows the difference between a "natural born citizen" and a "naturalized citizen". Wouldn't you agree?
