What Exactly is Her Forieng Policy Experience?
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
November 29, 2008 12:12pm CST
Back during the Democrat Primaries, Sen. Obama questioned Hillary Clinton's foreign Policy Experience. Today he is making her the head of his foreign policy team.
Prs. Elect Obama said that he would pick the best people for the job, without regard to party or ideology. So far we have seen little to none of that as his cabinet takes shape.
So I'll ask those of you who can't seem to roust up enough integrity to question that of Obama...
What is Hillary's foreign policy experience?
Has she negotiated any treaties?
Has she handled any crises?
If you wonder where I got these questions... Sen. Obama asked them about Hillary...
So, was he lying then, now... or both times?
{{{I can't wait to read the disingenuous excuses from the feeble minds of Obamabots that are sure to come}}}
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13 responses
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
29 Nov 08
Since I have quite a bit of integrity and saw the word Obamabots...which for some reason irritates those k1ke genes that help make me who I am, I'll refrain from responding to your questions. But, you know the end of the month is drawing near and I've been slacking so I need the coin these words may bring me.
@murderistic (2278)
• United States
29 Nov 08
I honestly don't think it makes any sense to choose Hillary as secretary of state when one of the main reason she wasn't elected as the Presidential nominee was because of her foreign policy decision to vote for the go into Iraq. She said that there was a connection between Hussein and Bin Laden, and later advocated immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq but refused to apologize for her vote. I'm sorry but that is not the kind of person that I want for secretary of state. That being said, she does have a lot of experience, she was a personal advisor to the President for 8 years and has met with many political leaders all over the world. No, she didn't directly negotiate with them, because that wasn't her job, but I do think she has experience and won't come into the office not knowing what to do.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Nov 08
So your saying that Obama was lying when he said she didn't have any foreign affairs experience?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Nov 08
No, he wasn't lying because she doesn't. Meeting foreign diplomats is NOT anywhere near making policy.
People act being there is the same as policy making. How naive.
@academic2 (7000)
• Uganda
30 Nov 08
The questions you raise seem to me as uttrerly immaterial ParaTed2k, the issue of the moment is about what kind of team Obama assembling and do they have the salt to deal with monumental problems they are taking over from GWBJ? It is not the personality issue now, it is basically the calibre of the different team players-if you asked me whether Hillary is the material for the job she is destined to take, I will surely say a resounding Yes! Dont doubt that woman for even a minute-she is taller, wider, deeper in foreign policy issues than many American believe. When Clinton looked like a very successful leader, besides him was a woman, and that woman was Mrs. Hillary Clinton, a woman you can only underestimate at your own peril!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Nov 08
As for her ability to rise to the office for which she is appointed, that is completely and entirely on her. Actually, just as I hope Obama does well as president, I hope she does well as Secretary of State. I'm not so petty that I would hope for hardship for our country just so I can blame the people in office (I leave that to the folks at Democrat Underground).
What I question is Obama's intergrity. He said she had no foreign policy experience... for that matter, she couldn't come up with anything real in rebuttal to his accusations. Now he is saying that out of all Americans, she is "the best for the job".
He was either lying then, or he is lying now. Either way, whether she lives up to the responsibilities or not does not change the fact that Obama lied.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
30 Nov 08
Obama needs Hillary. She might not have a lot of foreign policy experience, but she has a lot more than he does. Campaign drivel is just that - drivel. Don't you know that it's all a sham? Especially between rivals of the same party. They don't really believe all that stuff they kept saying, it was just so much campaign rhetoric.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
1 Dec 08
Ok, maybe not defending, but definitely making excuses for him.
He is either about change or he isn't. If he is, then bring on the change. If he isn't then he is a bought and paid for toady to those who purchased him...
The only reason politicians can get away with corruption is We the People demand it of them.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
1 Dec 08
Yet another example of defending Obama by saying he is no different than any other politician. So the whole "change" thing was just a lie.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
29 Nov 08
I'm not a feeble minded Obamabot, I just one of the 50 million plus million voters who voted for him, so I'm not going to give any excuses. In a primary campaign all the candidates say things about each other. No two people were as nasty to each other than McCain and Romney yet had McCain won I wouldn't have been at all surprised if Romney were put in his cabinet. Hillary has traveled worldwide and has met many of the world leaders. No, she hasn't negotiated any treaties; who has that you'd find suitable for the job?
Annie
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Nov 08
So again you defend Obama by saying he's just another candidate. Which he says he isn't, so the only way to defend him is to admit he's a liar.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Nov 08
There are many people in the US who have negotiated with foreign leaders. There are military leaders who have negotiated with allies and leaders who want the US to help them with a military problem. There are heads of corporations who negotiate for rights to do business in their country, there are private charity organizations who negotiate to serve the people of other nations, there are church leaders who negotiate for official recognition.
Hillary has never once negotiated with any foreign leaders for anyting... ever. Saying that because she was in the White House for 8 years gives her foreign policy experience is like saying that being general's wife for 8 years makes a person ready to be a general.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
30 Nov 08
"No, she hasn't negotiated any treaties; who has that you'd find suitable for the job?"
Good question, Annie. Got any answers, Ted, instead of slams?
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
30 Nov 08
After all the hoopla that was made of Sarah Palin's lack of qualification to be vice president, I'd say the only thing Hillary Clinton needs to be secretary of state is a passport and some geographical knowledge and she's good to go.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Dec 08
Well, you're two references were about SNL lines that are commonly misunderstood for lines Palin said. :~D
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
29 Nov 08
I think that Obama is just interested in getting as many left leaning people in his cabinet as possible and really does not really care if they have experience or not. And people complained about Paulin's. Does the name hypocrite come to mind.
As you can see I am not an Obama supporter. In fact I hope they find out that he is really not an American born citizen so they can give him the boot.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Nov 08
Annie, if Obama as never eligible to run, the election would be null and void. It wouldn't be a matter of disenfranchising voters, it would be a matter of Obama and anyone else who knew being felons.
If it were a Republican who pulled this off, would you be so cavalier about it?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
29 Nov 08
In the VERY unlikely event you were to get your wish, what would you then want to happen? Should Vice President Biden become the President or should millions of American voters be disenfranchised and McCain given the job? I'll await your answer which I doubt I'll ever get.
Annie
@newtondak (3946)
• United States
29 Nov 08
I remember something about her coming under "sniper fire" during a trip overseas a while back!
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
1 Dec 08
ParaTed,
I don't know why so many people are surprised by this move by Obama. My take on this is as follows;
There were many disgruntled(to say the least)democrats when the August convention rolled around. Hillary and her husband Slick could have caused pandimonium at the convention with the lack of a real majority of delegates(not "stupid-delegates")! This deal was cut pre-convention to eliminate any threat from the Clinton camp and to show a "real" solidarity of the party.
If this is not what happened then this man is proving he hasn't a clue and is now trying to build a wall around himself to protect himself from people who might discern this truth; he is an inexperienced, incompetent puppet.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
1 Dec 08
The press already provides that wall, but I guess even a strong wall could use some rebar here and there.
@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
30 Nov 08
I guess her experience lies in knowing how to behave when dealing with other head of states. Really, who knows! Yes, Obama questioned her ability as much as she questioned his. It was even worse that most of his campaign people mocked her to no end about the examples of experiences she provided. Now they probably have to work with her. There is animosity on both sides of the fence. I'm not sure what he thinks he would achieve by giving her this position. There are certainly more qualified people who could be in this position.
Dang! and now I have to see her mugshot even more often when I turn on the TV....
@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
1 Dec 08
Will she have carte blanche or does she have to follow an Obama script? If she's on her own, she better have extensive knowledge and understanding of the foreign countries with whom she has to deal. If she presents Obama's platform to the world, then her success or failure is on him and her ability to negotiate. She would be nothing more than a mouthpiece and she'd be as good as any in that category.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
1 Dec 08
It's the job of the president to set the policies for the cabinet departments, but it's up to the secretaries to decide how to make the policies happen. When you choose the leader of a team, you choose the direction the team will go.
@Troublegum (641)
• United States
29 Nov 08
I usually feel more comfortable with an appointment to a position like this if I have never heard of the person. Usually people like Hillary and Obama get elected becasue they can "Connect to the people" But for most important government workings, what you really need is some geek that no one has heard of.
To quote "Tommy Boy", (roughly) "I'm going to return to the nerdery with the other nerds and our calculators" Basically you need a pretty face who can speak well and then the geeks and their pocetprotectors to actually figure out what is going on.
I'm wondering if this appointment was more of a political move to try to control, or at least not further tick off, the Clinton machine.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
29 Nov 08
Actually, from what I'm reading, a lot of both Hillary and Obama supporters aren't happy with this appointment.
@Troublegum (641)
• United States
29 Nov 08
I wouldn't expect that either would be psyched about it. Obama Supporters want "Change", and Hillary supporter probably see it was a way of tucking her out of the way without having to deal with her domestic issues.
@Luthien_Tinuviel (33)
• Philippines
30 Nov 08
On the contrary, I believe Sen. Hillary Clinton will provide a good image for the United States once appointed Secretary of State. She was once a first lady, and a very popular one and is very well recognized and respected in countries outside the US such as ours. The world being familiar to her will make it easier for people to respond to her thrusts and her campaigns in favor of the coming Barack Obama administration.
Besides, she is not a no-brainer. Aside from being a wife to a former president, she is a lawyer and a United States senator with huge support and experience in leadership and diplomatic relations in and outside of the United States.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
30 Nov 08
You really think foreign leaders who are trying to squeeze the most they can get out of the US will see her with the same hero worship you do?