Force is All they Know
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
December 2, 2008 2:37pm CST
They don't want us to use incandescent light bulbs because they think flourescent light is better... So they don't try to inform us about how they are better and let us choose for ourselves... they make laws forcing the change.
They think Ethanol added to gasoline would be better. So, instead of putting it on the market and letting us decide, they mandate change with laws.
They think we'd be better off with smaller cars that get more gas mileage, so instead of producing those cars and letting the market decide, they force ugly little death traps on us.
They think innoculations are the only way to stay disease free, so instead of making the innoculations available and giving us the choice, they force them on us.
They think that the only way to appreciate freedom and other things we enjoy in America is through serving others, so instead of encouraging us to do service projects for other, they seek to force us to do it.
They think it is terrible that anyone go hungry in the US, so instead of volunteering at homeless shelters, or taking food to the local area where homeless people hang out, they go to the government to get laws passed making the taxpayers do it for them.
What's wrong with choice? What's wrong with letting people decide for ourselves? Force is all they understand, or care about.
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@urbandekay (18278)
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2 Dec 08
And they think it is better if we all drive on the same side of the road but also make that against the law. Some limitations on freedom create greater freedoms for all, road traffic laws being a notable example.
all the best urban
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Dec 08
Once again you take your argument to a rediculous extreme. You are using a public road so you are subject to the laws governing that road. I'm not using an incandescent bulb in public, nor is my blood stream a public thoroughfare. Your attempts at analogy are innane and idiotic.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Dec 08
I think you simply throw a dart at your dartboad of logical fallacies and go with whichever the dart hits. ;~D
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@Undertheoath (365)
• United States
2 Dec 08
Congress passed the energy bill. Thank your senators for that shot. However, in light of this infringement of choice, incandescent bulbs are superiorly inferior in efficiency, power used, and heat release. Fluorescents truly are worth the extra money because they last much longer than incandescent light bulbs. When did they force Ethanol into gasoline? I haven not heard of such a mandate due the high inefficiency of yielding ethanol. Why would you want not want higher gasoline mileage. They did not force the companies to make compact cars, the companies design the cars not the government. I have no idea what this line means: "They think that the only way to appreciate freedom and other things we enjoy in America is through serving others, so instead of encouraging us to do service projects for other, they seek to force us to do it." The topic of the homeless shelters, our tax dollars do help aid them in living. I do not see your point. Your point is shrouded in bad grammar, and I cannot decipher it. Please let me know what exactly what you are trying to say so I can respond. I think you are trying to make a good argument so ++ for discussion.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Dec 08
They may be superior to incandescent bulbs, but it is up to that consumer to decide, not the government.
E10 is mandated here in Wisconsin and they are talking about mandating a higher percentage. No, it isn't banned for use, but they have passed so many restrictions on the transportation and storage of regular unleaded gasoline that no distributor or gas station in the area can afford to offer it anymore.
Of course, the same government officials who force it on us protect themselves from liability for the damage the crap does to engines.
Forced service is something that isn't happening yet (although it did happen with the military draft). Rahm Emanuel (Obama's Chief of Staff) has been a longtime proponent of requiring 18-25 year olds to live in camps for 3 months to learn service, disaster relief and other skills, then be called out for mandatory service.
Funny, everyone else understood what I meant... bad grammer notwithstanding.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
2 Dec 08
So let the incandescent lightbulb fall to the museum of outdated things.. that is fine. But what is so good about the flourescent lightbulb that a company should be punished for not producing and selling them?
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@Undertheoath (365)
• United States
2 Dec 08
The world has gone into the craze to become environmentally friendly, and efficiency and some sacrifices will occur. Although I agree that the forcing of the light bulbs is not a correct decision, I do not see it as a horrible thing. As technology increases in efficiency the older products become obsolete. As the market shifts to fluorescent bulbs, they will only become cheaper. The problem with ethanol sounds like a state level problem, for here in NJ we do not have those restrictions. You should protest and state the unreasonableness that comes from the current yield techniques of midgrade ethanol from crops. There are specific engines designed for ethanol, and in case you did not know this you are supposed to use unleaded fuel unless stated in your owner's manual. I am completely against many of Obama's policies and am personally amazed at how he ever got elected even with his connections to confirmed slum lords and fanatical terrorists. Conscription is one thing, while forced service is another. Forced service has the connotation of slave labor. I am fully against such policies and do not see how in our society they could be passed. Actually, I retract that statement seeing our current government. My dinner is ready. I will return soon.
@Modestah (11179)
• United States
5 Dec 08
!!!! indeed !!!!!
this is such a peeve for me....
no option about wearing a seat belt (though I wear one and make my family wear one, I should have that choice!) one can kill their unborn child, but can not risk riding a bicycle without a helmet on. eh?
Forced flouride in the water!!?? I am the consumer, If I pay for water service it should not have unnecessary additives... If I want that flouride (carcinogen) then let me get a bottle of drops to add in.
and
with the socialistic communist ideals they cheat charity!
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@kenzie45230 (3560)
• United States
2 Dec 08
You're right. Give us the pros and cons and let us decide. The light bulbs scare me a bit. We don't know what having that much mercury in the house will do to all of us. Cause Alzheimers? And the regular trash collectors are not supposed to take broken ones. They have to be saved up - in our neighborhood - for when they're accepting things like that - about 2 times per year.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
4 Dec 08
They think they know better than us so therefore htey think they have the right to tell us what we are and aren't going to do. Personally I find it insulting and beyond the relm of what they are allowed to do.
They have forgottent that WE the people are the boss and that they are the public servants. Unfortunately alot of the citizens of this country have forgotten who is really in charge too.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
5 Dec 08
People let them rule because it allows them to be lazy, fat and ignorant.
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@CarlKnittel (692)
• United States
8 Jan 09
They are the smart ones because they say they are. Keep in mind that AlGore ran on the idea that Bush, with an MBA from Harvard, was a stupid frat boy while Gore, who failed out of several colleges, was the brilliant ecologist that invented the internet. People are still telling me what a dunce Bush is and I still have to remind them which candidate has a Masters degree in administration while their candidates can't afford to let their educational transcripts leak to the press.
The most brilliant among us are those who are unfettered by facts. The rest of us learned humility in the real world.
@Troublegum (641)
• United States
3 Dec 08
There are a lot of people who beleive as you do, I am one of them, and they are spread between the two major parties, but what they are expressing are the core tennants of Libritarianism, but no one will go over to the libertarian party because they think they can't win.
Other that the Mercury thing, I like florescent bulbs because I don't have to change them as often, but when the government mandated that we go to them I was really annoyed. If you will remember the energy saving tool before CF bulbs were dimmer switches which many people put in their homes, but they don't work with CF bulbs. Also there is only one company that makes some of their CF bulbs in the US, and a whole heap of them that make the standard bulbes here. So they just legislated a lot of business out of the country. Good thinking guys.
Ok, I am done ranting, I have to go back to watching my TV with Rabbit ears that will only work for another 80 days or so because the government mandated that TV stations stop brodcasting over the airways.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Dec 08
Actually a lot more people would join the Libertarian Party if they didn't have the stupid requirement of signing an oath to join. It's ironic that a party based on Liberty is the only one that requires members to take an oath lol.
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@Troublegum (641)
• United States
3 Dec 08
That is crazy, I didn't know that they required an oath to join. I am amoung those who has not joined them. I actually usually register for parties other than my own so that when the telemarketers call me I can debate with them. (is it wrong that I am such a hermit that I like it when telemarketers call?)
I had one really fun one last election when I walked the person through point by point how many jobs would be lost in our business if her candidate did what he said he would in his economic policy. I used only data from their website and our company not any outside experts, so she couldn't really argue about it, so she changed the subjet. It was beautiful.
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