Canadians are you happy with Coalition Canada Governement that may take over?

Canada
December 3, 2008 9:57am CST
While some of you are aware of what's going on it's striking to know how many Canadians really have no clue. Since the findings of our current Prime Minister the other parties have stepped up and proclaimed that they will be taking over. Usually a Coalition is made when there is some sort of crisis of war or political break down. I'm in an outrage to a point because we as Canadians made our vote and now that vote my be essentially broken down and our rights to choose who's in office stripped from us. What I find particularly funny is that we have separatists wanting to run Canada. Now please tell me I'm not the only one scratching my head at that. The election just happened and they're saying that our current Prime Minister won't do anything about the current crisis ast hand.. the economy. Now tell me do you think anyone can really do much at this point besides hold on to their seats? We're Canada and while we can make our own decisions a lot of how our economy goes depends greatly on how America is fairing. For those of you who know about this and others who don't what do you think should be done? Are you happy about the fact that the person you voted in as Prime Minister may essentially not even matter? Are you happy with anything that has been going on in regards to our economy and our current Prime Minister promises? Do you think we should give him more time? Or do you think this Coalition Government is right and they should step in?
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@ladysakurax (1161)
• Canada
4 Dec 08
I think this coalition thingy is a crazy idea. I am strongly against it. And i voted for my president and i feel betrayed that they would trick us and change all the things around. The population is the main important of the country and they aren't thinking about it. Where is the democracy? Canada is known for its freedom of speech. So no i am not happy with this and i am very angry. This economy crisis is a big problem and isn't something that can be fixed in a week or two. It needs more time and I am not if the coalition can make this bigger. Instead of wanting the status of being president, they should help him instead. This is a waste of time while President Harper can use it to improve our current situation. As a Quebecer, I am ashamed that the Bloc wouldn't stop with their rambling of wanting to be separate from Canada. because of this, the image of Canada is getting tarnished. And I am sure that i am not the only Quebecer who thinks this way. My family has immigrated to Canada and we are all thankful to this country.
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
4 Dec 08
First its prime minister not president, a very important distinction. Second, I think you need to examine how are system works, you did not vote for the prime minister in any way shape or form, unless you reside in his riding, and even then you voted for him to be a PM in parliament not to be the PM.
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• Canada
4 Dec 08
Yes I meant prime minister. And I don't understand what you mean when you say that we vote for him to be in the parliament and not to be Prime minister. I don't see any difference to it. I voted for him to run Canada and to do the job. If you put it that way, I didn't vote for the others to "be in the parliament". And yes I did go vote with a paper and a pen and the lady put it there in the box. I voted!! I don't understand where you are getting at. And wether Harper wasn't elected and it was another party, I believe it should be respected. if they have the right to do this and remove Harper, I will lost my trust in Canada and probably won't go to vote again since it will be useless.
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• Canada
4 Dec 08
^ Lady I couldn't have said it better. I'm not for harper but I am for the rights of this country and whoever won regardless of this petty shizah they should run the country. I think you need to give the guy a chance for crying out loud it's 8 weeks in comparison to what took 4-8 years to create. I think if the time has been given properly and no change has been done canada can then decide what it's going to do. But I will in no way even though my party that I wanted in didn't make it I don't think they should be now. They lost plain and simple they are not the PM and as such you should take your losings and go on your way. Not this childish stuff. Mark my words the Coalition won't happen. There are too many petitions going on and this will outrage All of canada besides the selective few who want to see their party as the PM. This sets the bar for other elections and what does that say to those who voted. It won't matter people because if parliament doesn't like the discussion they'll overturn it any ways. Yeah ok... Then I really wouldn't find a need to vote. Mid as well pick heads or tails. It's the principle behind the matter who was voted in should stay simply put. It doesn't matter how it works the end of the day a prime minister is chosen. And that is done through votes. Otherwise what's the point. It's at times like these that I did wish our government was like the states. It would be a heck of a lot easier let me tell you.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Dec 08
Well, it looks like Harper got his wish, the GG granted a parliment suspension. It seems though that a no confidence vote is pretty much guaranteed now however. So what does this mean, more elections?
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Dec 08
http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/national/story.html?id=1031324
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
5 Dec 08
Going back to the polls would be fine by me as well. My only problem is that I know the history of Canadian voters, they won't bother to learn the truth they will blame whoever wins the media circus and points the finger best at who "caused" the government to fall and the voters will punish that party. Hardly fair to any party, even Harper's Conservatives shouldn't be punished in this fashion, decisions on who to vote for should be made on policy.
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• Canada
5 Dec 08
I would prefer it actually. Because then Canadians voices are considered and it would be fair. (Granted I know life isn't fair)
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
3 Dec 08
I am not happy. If we get a coalition Canada government, it will be a government that will clamp down on pro life, favor same gender marriages,embyronic stem cell research, etc.. and well to make a long story short, persecute a particular part of society, the traditional Christians who are for traditional marriage, and do not believe that one group should be favored above another. And then we will have the same ideology as Obama has in the States, since he will clamp down on pro life, favor same gender marriages, and persecute a particular part of society, the traditional Christians while favoring illegal immigrants and partial birth abortons. NOw I am not talking about torture and murder to the extent as is going on in India and China and the Sudan, but by denying jobs, making them lose money in court cases, and making Christians poorer financially so they cannot protect the innocent. Now I feel that a country cannot be rich, have lower taxes and economic prosperity at the expense of its citizens. And if two countries are the same way, then it will be a hard time for the Christians and also for other religions who hold their followers to a higher moral standard. It used to be if you felt the situation too strict, you could go across the border, and if you felt that life was too secular, you could move to the States - during the Reagan and the Bush eras, but if the Coalition happens and Obama is in the States, well I am not afraid of dying for my faith, in case it turns to being killed or thrown in jail for my belief? As for the economy, do you really think the Coalition is like the fairy godmother? The economy might be bad because God taking away HIS blessing and if that is why, then there is only one way to get it right. Work hard, be frugal, do not charge more than you can afford and pray.
• Canada
3 Dec 08
No I don't think their like the fairy godmother I think what they're doing is wrong. And I don't think they will make it better. However I do think they will make it worse because of some parties ideals. IE Quebec who wants nothing to do with Canada. Now why would they run a country they don't want to be apart of. That to me spells trouble. However I'm pro choice and unfortunately didn't get to vote this year because I was in the states finishing up school. I have many gay friends whom I think should have the same rights you and I have. No pun against any Christians this is just how I am and my own opinions. I am pro choice and I'm for stem cell research. Enough said about that though that's not what i'm talking about. I dont' think it's right that they come in just because they don't like how things are being run and try to make their own government. It will be interesting to see what will happen. Odds are Harper will resign and Dion will end up being PM. Tis the way I see it going.
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
4 Dec 08
I believe the coalition should have a chance to run. The fact is the PM introduced a Partisan bill and said to the opposition you take this poison pill or force us into an election. Everyone knows that Canadians are apathetic and hate to vote. In the end one of two things would happen the opposition would cave and take the poison pill signaling to Harper that he can run the government as if it were a majority or they could force an election and face the people of Canada giving Harper a majority government, a win win situation for Harper a lose lose situation for anyone else. The opposition is proposing the third option a coalition. Under our parliamentarian system we don't elect governments we elect parliaments and the parliaments are left to form a government that has the confidence of the house. The fact is the PM does NOT have the confidence of the house. The PM has forced us into a political crisis to go hand in hand with the looming economic crisis. Your claim that our rights to choose who is in office would be stripped if the Coalition would be given the chance to govern is bunk. The fact is you DON'T have that right. You have the right to vote for your local leader. And the fact of the matter is 63% of Canadians think Harper should not have the right to govern. In point of fact a coalition government is more in tune with what the voters of Canada requested. By giving Harper a minority the message was sent that Harper should deal with the other parties and not pass his own agenda alone, Harper has refused to do that. The Separatists don't want to run the government, the Bloc wouldn't get a single seat on the caucus of the coalition. Yes the coalition only survives with the support of the Bloc, but guess what, NO minority government can survive without the support of the Bloc, they never have since the creation of the bloc.
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• Canada
4 Dec 08
I agree either force another election and have this coalition run as one and Conservatives as the other and see how far they get bet you Conservatives would win with a landslide. The 63% of people who thought Harper should not be the government well if you were to juggle these numbers Bloc 49 seats Con 143 seats GRN 0 seats Lib 77 seats NDP 37 seats other 2 seats Then the Conservative and the liberal got together then you would have 63% again or Conservative and NDP it would be 55.8 and finally Bloc and Conservative would not even make 50% only 47.6%. May be we should have a run off between the Conservatives and the coalition that way you will either win or lose with the winner having 50%+1 and a true representation of the country. As for the Bloc they may not have a single seat in caucus as you say but you will never know the back room deal that made them join the coalition you do not get their support for nothing Harper seen that and it cost him.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Dec 08
My usual disclaimer: I am not Candaian, but since people take great liberty in commenting on our politics from outside my country, instead of my usual response of resentment, I have adopted a new policy of commenting on other nations politics when I feel i have something of substance to offer. I humbly submit my opinion, correct me please if I am in err. You mention the constitution in a comment above. My understanding is that you do not have a true contstitution. The difference being is that our constitution was created by the states as a contract between the states to create a subserviant federal government. Your constitution act was an action by brittish parliment, an enity outside your own nation and not of the candadian people, which created a national charter. Under this charter, there is nothing that is guaranteed. I read with great interest the text of the "notwithstanding clause", a clause which says that the Parliament or provincial legislatures can declare a law in force, because it is important to public policy, notwithstanding the guarantee of fundamental rights and freedoms in the Charter. This ammounts to a government that can do pretty much what ever it wants. I am not attempting to address the details of what a coalition government would mean, nor am I attempting to adress the finer points of Bloc, NDP or Liberal policy. It does however seem to be a bait and switch type of thing, at least to an observer who lives under a mirror oppposite form of constitution. It would be the equivelent here of Obama being elected as he was, then come january, when he takes office, congress decides they don't like him and replace him with their own choice based on a lack of confidence, it simply cannot happen. So you can understand how this would seem a foriegn concept to me and I can see how it would seem an outrage to a good many Canadians who woke up to find the government they thought they had was now something else. It indeed creats a feeling of insecurity and lack of confidence in the government, as well as the apearence of a people subserviant to a government as apposed to a government subserviant to the people. One final thought, you said: "Your claim that our rights to choose who is in office would be stripped if the Coalition would be given the chance to govern is bunk. The fact is you DON'T have that right" THIS is exactly the fundamental flaw the people of Candada face with the current system of governance...... [i] "The fact is you DON'T have that right"
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@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
4 Dec 08
You don't seem to get that we don't vote for a government we vote for a parliament. Yes the cons can work with other parties in order to maintain a majority, however the plain and simple fact is that Harper deliberately did not work with any other parties. He acted as though he had a majority, which is precisely what the people of Canada did not want. A coalition is much more in line with the election results then a Conservative majority.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
3 Dec 08
I am actualy American, but since so many in the world take great liberty in commenting on our politics, I have been acting in kind in here, that and I dated a girl in ontario for 3 years. Anyway, I think what you are seeing over all is the fundamental flaw in the parlimentary monarchy system. A minority government is a weak one, and seemed to back Harper in to the corner of asking the GG to suspend parliment, lest, a no confidence vote occure AGIAN and he risks losing his grip on power. This with the fact that Canada, though a nation, is not founded on anything and the ties that bind the provinces are loose to begin with. It was a watered down atempt at a republic that left it wide open to being torn apart at the seams and as well, offers no guaranty of representation or rights to it's people. The Bloc I think seems to be the only ones to be expoliting this weakness and expoliting the minority government, though to what ends, one can only guess, perhaps the seperatists agenda again. I find it interesting that claims are being made that the liberals are "betraying their federalist principles by agreeing to demands from the Bloc Quebecois". While they may be laying in bed with seperatists by doing so and lending legitimacy to the cause, perhaps unintentionaly, the attack that they are betraying federalist principles is a moot one since Canada is far from being a federal republic.
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• Canada
3 Dec 08
Very interesting response. I have an American Fiance and I have to say he doesn't share those views about Canada. I'm not about to make this an American Canadian thing but what we've been doing has been getting us by for many years. What you may think is watered down may seem that way. I think if you were to actually live in the country then is when you have the right to say what our values are and what we stand for as a country. We're founded on many things primary unity. Despite what's going on we have more unity than the states can protest they have (minus Quebec). I lived in the states for the better part of 6 years. i was affected by your government in many ways as was my fiance. Needless to say I would choose Canada any day over the states. Sorry not bashing the states but I've been in both places and I'd choose Canada. While the party is sinking our Prime Minister did a boo boo and should probably resign I don't however agree with this Coalition. Many actually don't. There is an online petition that when started within 2 minutes had 100 signatures. That has risen to the better part of 91000 people who have signed and it is growing by the minute. Quebec doesn't want to be apart of Canada, that is very clear everyone knows this. Why do we as Canadians want a party that wants nothing to do with Canada Running Canada? Quebec has done whatever they could to separate themselves from us it can be seen in their laws, in their business practices ie. Payroll and what they do in regards to their taxes etc. Associating with such a party means you are agreeing to the separatist theories. Also as many see it here in Canada or at least those who I've talked to about this issue say that if the Governor General decides to give the go ahead with this Coalition she risks being accused of having separatist ideals. Guilty by association sort of thing. However I do value what you had to say and thank you for your input. I know many feel the same way but don't be so hasty to judge how we as a country are and how strong our ties are as provinces. We are easier to pick apart because we have only have 10 provinces and 3 territories. I'm sure if I went through the 50 states of America we could find a few who are like our provinces. Every state is often influenced by their state primarily. The same goes with our Provinces however our provinces span over a larger area and contain more people in them etc.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
3 Dec 08
Well miss, I meant no insult either to your country or your people. I spent a great deal of time up there, got to know a lot of people, the way of life and thinking and besides, my ex girlfriend was a political junkie so I learned a little bit. I am still learning though and obviously, being a citizen there, you know far more than I and I would never presume different. You are a strong people and a strong nation and can no doubt survive the current situation. I think however, that Canada should consider a revamping of it's political system. A true federal republic is created when states (or in your case, provinces) enter in to contract with each other to create a federal government to act as an agent of the states/provinces. It seems to me the federal government that was created up there is the exact opposite, in that, the provinces are agents of the federal government and the governor general.
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• Canada
3 Dec 08
Very true and sorry if I took your response the wrong way. The problem would be Quebec. They would NEVEr sign that contract meh cest la vie. We'll have to see how this pans out though. I think there going to absolve the parliment for 8 weeks and then do something about this situation in January, so that the governing parties may govern. We'll see what happens come January though. Again sorry if I took your post the wrong way I in no way intended to snip back. My appologies.
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@CanadaGal (4304)
• Canada
4 Dec 08
what do you think should be done? I think the coalition should take place. Our representatives do not have confidence in the Prime Minister and his government. This is a logical step forward, and a perfectly legal decision. Are you happy about the fact that the person you voted in as Prime Minister may essentially not even matter? I didn't vote Harper in. I voted NDP, but didn't vote that way because of Layton. I voted the way everyone should vote... I voted for the candidate in my riding that I felt best represented me. I happen to agree with much of the NDP platform. Harper's Conservatives did not win a majority government... that means the majority of Canadians did NOT vote Conservative, or for Harper. Are you happy with anything that has been going on in regards to our economy and our current Prime Minister promises? He's made all sorts of promises, but has yet to show any plans on how he believes our nation can achieve these goals of his. Show me a plan, and then I can tell you whether or not I'm happy with it. Do you think we should give him more time? Or do you think this Coalition Government is right and they should step in? I think the Governor General has made the right decision in giving Harper a bit more time, until January 26th. That should be more than enough time for his party to come up with an economic plan that hopefully works with the agenda of the majority of the country. If my representative in Parliament is then still unhappy with Harper's proposals, then yes, I think the Coalition Government should take over.
@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
4 Dec 08
No one, and I mean no one, voted for Stephen Harper to be Prime Minister. There was never such an option on ANY ballot in Canada. You vote in MP's and the MP's vote on who the PM is. By tradition it is usually the leader of the party with the most seats. But even this tradition has been broken several times when the leader of that party lost the confidence of the house such as Harper has. Harper's policies did not reduce the debt of Canada, in point of fact Paul Martin's policy from when he was Finance Minister did this. It is Martin's legacy not Harper's which ensured that we did not run a deficit budget. Harper just kept this policy. That being said the entire world is in a state of financial crisis, and while Canada has been spared the brunt of it so far we should be doing something to prevent the brunt but coming on full force, even if it means running a deficit. However Harper's plan is to pretend there is no economic crisis and just turn a blind eye to the economy hoping the crisis will pass us by. The argument that Harper's government is only 8 weeks old is weak and ultimately meaningless. This is NOT Harper's first term, he is not adjusting to being the governing power, he knew where things stood yet he backed the parties he claimed he would work with into a corner. The people who voted conservative got a clear message from Harper that he would work with the other parties, instead they got a mean spirited bully who shoves his ideals down the throats of the entire country. So no I do not think we should give Harper a chance. And I also don't believe that on the eve of a serious economic crisis should we dump $300 million into an election when three parties have agreed to terms that would be able to form a government with the confidence of the house. For the record I do not like Dion or the Liberals, though I am an NDPer the NDP aren't exactly getting much in this deal. Its not partisanship that makes me support the coalition attempts but logic and an understanding of our system.
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• Canada
4 Dec 08
If representatives do not have confidence in the Prime Minister and his government then they vote non confidence and have an election had i knowe they were gonna form a coalition i would of voted different i would never elect or vote for a party whose sole purpose is to break up my country and if they did then i may as well do the same. Are you happy about the fact that the person you voted in as Prime Minister may essentially not even matter? I am disgusted that the party i voted for is tryign to take power when they did not win enough seats to have the most seats. Are you happy with anything that has been going on in regards to our economy and our current Prime Minister promises? I am happy with the fact harper has lowered the national debt and other things but others am not happy with. Our economy is based on resources and and 80% of the trade is with the US so we cannot really do anything about what happening there. Do you think we should give him more time? Or do you think this Coalition Government is right and they should step in? If the coalition had given a non confidence vote then back to the poles i for one i would like to of voted on the coalition cause i would of voted for a different party and maybe like the rest of the Canadians would liked to had a chance to vote for a party to rule.
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• Canada
4 Dec 08
Huggie I couldn't agree with yo u more on the answers you had. Especially the one that says where your disgusted at the party you voted for losing and now trying to take power. Well said.
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