Religious contradiction
By shaboom
@shaboom (29)
Malaysia
December 4, 2008 6:09am CST
i have a doubt. not one but many about religious teachings. i'm not able to accept blindly. here is the list of it,
doubt 1
Evil created by god and commanded to serve human. later evil not follow gods command and get cursed.
question : Is god doesn't know its creations behaviour in future?
doubt 2
God created tree in the middle of the garden and forbide adam and eve to eat fruit from that tree. after eve ate the fruit and gave it to adam, adam also start to consume.
question: why god put the forbidden tree in the garden in first place? again, why god doesn't know what adam and eve going to do?
doubt 3
Those who commit sin will go to hell and others will go to heaven.
question: If someone will go to hell, god must know even before the person born right? then why god let him born and commit sins and punish them some more?
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9 responses
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
4 Dec 08
as islander before me wisely says, all such stories of creation are nothing but man’s imagination. All such stories were created as guidelines to help man control and overcome his vices and lead a virtuous life so that society can progress harmoniously. Satan has been created as an example of how our soul is tortured if we follow the path of darkness, the tree with the forbidden fruit is there to teach us self-control and as a lesson as to what happens if we cannot keep our vices in control, heaven and hell are also similarly imaginary places with an indication of where our actions, good or bad, can lead us to.
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@cathya (704)
• Philippines
5 Dec 08
Heres my answer to your question and I hope it could help you ease you doubts at least:
doubt 1: God did not create EVIL...when GOD created all creatures HE gave them FREE WILL... for sure GOD oversees that HIS creatures might choose to do things against HIS will...BUT since free will is a GIFT it is now the responsibility of the creatures to face the consequences of his action...
doubt 2: GOD put the forbidden tree in the middle of the garden to test the LOYALTY of His creatures, from the very start GOD told adam and eve not to come close with tree BUT since they do have the FREE WILL and both of them CHOOSE to disobey the COMMAND of their GOD they commit sin against the WILL OF THEIR CREATOR...again GOD for sure GOD knows that sooner or later adam and eve will disobey HIM but because of HIS gift of FREE WILL, he allowed them to DO what they want to do in order to USE THEIR FREE WILL
doubt 3. Hell and Heaven are the consequences of our action...again lets go back to our FREE WILL...for sure GOD knows what man can do, but since HE gave us the FREE WILL as a GIFT, its up to us now how we can use this FREE WILL, GOD doesn't want to punish us or the sinners BUT even before we were born we KNOW already that we can commit sin THATS why as we grow old our parents and the church teach us to OBEY only the COMMAND of GOD, TO ALWAYS CHOOSE WHAT IS RIGHT IN THE EYES OF GOD IN PRACTICING OUR FREE WILL because though WE HAVE THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE THERE IS ALWAYS CONSEQUENCE FOR OUR EVERY ACTION... lastly GOD doesn't want us to put on hell THATS WHY HE HAS EVERLASTING FORGIVENESS it is now our CHOICE if we want to ask HIS forgiveness and be with HIM in heaven
You know if you try to analyze things, there is a single answer to all your questions: GOD KNOWS what we can do of our FREE WILL, HE KNOWS that man can always choose to do things against HIS will and why do you think GOD is allowing us to commit sin?? because then again HE KNOWS that we can always use our FREE WILL TO CHOOSE TO STAY IN LOVE OF GOD by asking FORGIVENESS
Hope I was able to answer your questions...
@shaboom (29)
• Malaysia
5 Dec 08
oh oh oh. this is the problem.you really dont understand my question.
When GOD "KNOWS" everything.ok. everything means,
1.past
2.present
3.future
lets talk about future only.
Future "knows" of the GOD included,
1.mans action and behaviour.
2.Mans future choice from the free will.
here just give me answer in one word to my question.
is god knows what path (good or bad)man will choose in future using his free will?
just answer yes or no.
for better understanding.
there is a man called Sam
God show him path A and path B. and said Path A is a good path and path B is a bad path.Sam choose path B.
OK.
Before GOD show Sam path A and path B, the "ALL KNOWING GOD" should already know which path exactly sam going to choose right?
another thing, when someone (GOD)already know what is going to happen in future, its already fixed right. How come the free will can change it? is the free will above god? giving surprise to the GOD as well?
@freethinkingagent (2501)
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4 Dec 08
Well this sounds contradictory but it really isn't, it is a miss teaching.
God did not create evil, But when God manifested himself in the physical universe universal law dictated that evil was possible, for every action there is a reaction, Good/Evil. He did not create an evil entity, the entity chose lawlessness and rebellion. When that entity chose to rebel he became evil.
We always have choices, and consequences for those actions. I can say to my child, "do not touch that hot plate", but they can chose to touch it and get burned. Is it my fault they touched it after I said not to? Even if I thought I put it beyond their reach.
And going to hell is not a biblical teaching, at least not the way it is being taught today.
@freethinkingagent (2501)
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6 Dec 08
Yes and hopefully the child will learn to listen to you. Just as you can tell a child do not touch, they will not learn until they touch it. You do not want to see the child hurt so you will say do not touch, but inside you know they will eventually, and they will get burned and they will learn that you should not touch hot things. Likewise, If man did not "sin", he would not know what misery sin brings to this world, I am talking real sin not man made sins, The sins i speak of are sins against humanity, Murder, theft, and so on. Without the knowledge of sin we would not have knowledge of salvation. And how can we know something is bad unless we have lived through it. So next time God places us in a Utopian garden and he says do not touch, I for one will not touch.
@shaboom (29)
• Malaysia
5 Dec 08
you said about dont touch story. ok it is possible to compare to human. not the god. let say child is a child and your position changed to god. god saying dont touch. ok. when god is saying dont touch, is god knows the child going to touch the hotplate anyhow? even with free will?
@celticrogue (450)
• United States
4 Dec 08
First of all - all creation myths and religions were made up stories to help explain what ancient man was observing in his natural world. It helped him make sense of what he saw. As tribes became societies, which became civilizations, religion then played a part to set boundaries of behaviour and to control the masses.
On the flip side of the coin - if there is one almighty power - I envision such a being as being wise enough to create a universe with a set of physical and biochemical laws, then start it going, then it's "hands off" and see what happens. Maybe make an adjustment here and there, Maybe.
A god that knows all and sees all, really seems to me to be humankinds highest level of arrogance - thinking that each of us was so important to an all powerful being, that we would be watched all the time!
But, to answer your doubts: there is some reasons to the contradictions: How would we know good without evil? know white without black? know where north is without south? know how to be polite without rudeness? To fully know one aspect of the human experience, you need to understand its opposite. An all-knowing being would know this.
We were given the freedom of choice, the choice of free will. We can choose to obey God or do whatever we please. Part of this choice is also to resist temptation and it's always easier to resist a temptation if it is out of sight and far away.
And lastly - having a God that knows past, present, and future relieves us of the accountability, of the guilt, and responsibility of being good, when you have an all-powerfull, all-knowing being in charge. And that puts humans on a much higher plain than the rest of the animals, making us not just arrogant, but also nothing more that dumb animals that learned how to think of ourselves.
@Princecaspian (225)
• Norway
7 Dec 08
Ok so God knows that a criminal will do bad deeds and end up in hell so why not put that person directly into hell
Wont that person call it unfair that he is in hell for not doing anything wrong.He will say that if he had been given a chance perhaps he would have done good things in life and could have gone to heaven
God knows that if u were given a choice between road A and B u will choose road B . IT IS NOT BECAUSE GOD KNOWS THAT U HAVE CHOSEN road B but it is because of your freewill that u have chosen road B . God knows what u will choose with ur freewill.
U c it is the vice versa u were not fated to choose that road but it was ur freewill with which u took that road nd God already knew what u will b doing as he is already aware of ur actions. hope u understood what I was trying to say.
Thanks
@Princecaspian (225)
• Norway
7 Dec 08
Ok so God knows that a criminal will do bad deeds and end up in hell so why not put that person directly into hell
Wont that person call it unfair that he is in hell for not doing anything wrong.He will say that if he had been given a chance perhaps he would have done good things in life and could have gone to heaven
God knows that if u were given a choice between road A and B u will choose road B . IT IS NOT BECAUSE GOD KNOWS THAT U HAVE CHOSEN road B but it is because of your freewill that u have chosen road B . God knows what u will choose with ur freewill.
U c it is the vice versa u were not fated to choose that road but it was ur freewill with which u took that road nd God already knew what u will b doing as he is already aware of ur actions. hope u understood what I was trying to say.
Thanks
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
5 Dec 08
You are getting God mixed up with religion! God the Creator did not start religion. God didn't tell anyone to build a Church and collect money. People did this, and these same people are the Priests and Pastors that collect the money. In order to collect money from people they need to scare people. You are right !God did not create evil. The Church threatens people with Hell-fire. God does not! Pay no attention to Priests and Pastors. Continue to think for yourself. (you are doing OK!)
@galaxy999 (57)
• United States
6 Dec 08
That is true but you know what preachers,imamsm,religious scholars can not answer these questions. It seems to me that god is playing sick games, we have to start asking the people who preach this questions. What and where is this god anyways, this is another question they can not answer.