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I guess I will go first. I wish you would actually start before Adam and Eve story, because it goes wrong from the beginning, at least it goes wrong from the way Christians are taught. It is a big misconception that the bible says that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman, yet the church has thought that for millenniums now. Anyone who actually reads the bible would see that on the sixth day God created man, both male and female crated he them. So on day six God created men and women. that is chapter one day six remember. Now go to chapter two vs 3, God blessed the seventh day and rested from ALL his work, vs four says these are all the generations of the creation of heaven and earth. Vs five now, no plant and shrub was in the field the earth, and there was no MAN to till the ground. read though to vs 7, It says God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils and man became a living soul, Then God makes a garden toward the east in Edin and puts the man there. the word used for man is Hebrew Adam, meaning man, So it is after the seventh day God creates Adam and sometime after that he creates Eve, Why would the church teach this differently? As always, this is only my interpolation of this book, And many "scholars" would say I am wrong, But if I am wrong the order of creation makes no sense at it would mean God had to create everything twice. I hope this does not offend anyone, but I can only see that it has to be interpreted the way I have stated. To many this would seem an error, but it would be the same for a someone unlearned to begin reading The Mahabharata, How would they know unless they are taught correctly the way to read and interpret this great writing? This interpretation would also explain one other great mystery. If Adam and Eve were the only people on earth, and they had three sons, Cain and Able, and later Seth, And Cain killed Abel and then went into the land of wondering and there he knew his wife and he build cities. What? Who was his wife, and if it was just the two of them why build a city, unless there were actually other men and women here on earth before Adam and Eve, so then the question would be, why does the story begin with Adam and eve and not the actual first man and woman? What is being hidden from you? and where did Moses get this story? Why is Adam so important?

Phewww! I had a hard time getting to respond, I didn't know if I could add any more to the conversation, things are working now... Anyway, you two Agent and Shiv have quite a conversation going on, and Mathss certainly adds a touch of disdain. Agent please do not feel set up for ridicule, look at my beliefs and my posts and see that we are of the same understanding, we sometimes do talk past each other as you are trying your best to cover up your true thoughts and what you have learned, but suffice it to say that I have already known what you are writing and I've added a bit to the conversation. That is why I simply wrote write off the cuff or from the hip, (Call me Annie Oakly SP?) But at best there are parts I didn't know and many parts I already knew so like you I don't know everything but I know a lot or can see a lot from astrology to the texts written in the Bible. Agent, you started off with the Sumerian texts and the story of Gabriel the woman emperor of Eden the other term being rib in additional translations. I said see that is proof that this Bible thing needs to be reworked. This story I was not aware of. When you asked about the deeper meaning to the fall of man, I knew that story and in astrology in the southern hemisphere where these stories are created there is the battle in the sky of the Dragon and the Snake as they are in mortal combat and who is winning? Shiv, As for the image of GOD that is where we need to begin, we first need to define this GOD. I hate to say that you have to use my definition of GOD because my GOD has grown from when I was a child I believed as a child believes, now I am a man and I see that my GOD is much greater than the GOD I knew as a child. How can I show you an image that only you can see? What shall I point to so that you can know this is of GOD and it is good? Now I'm a bit more voyeuristic in the fall of man story, I see that Eve ate of fruit with Adam standing there next to her... We all know that some things are not to be eaten... The knowledge of good and evil and the need to cover our nakedness... I could do a number on Elvis singing 'Here comes Santa Clause' also... At best women and men are here for a reason and that is to take care of the Earth and all living things on the Earth and we are to care for each other and create generations that will out number the stars. (Paraphrased of course) Now Agent, I have a question as you often elude to missing texts. Are you familiar and I'm sure you are of the Lilith texts? Apparently as legend would have it Adam had a first wife who turned out to be evil and independent. *I can so relate to that story.* Lilith tried to control Adam and the world around her not being a partner but a master over her domain she was also banished from the garden of Eden. Now GOD wants to teach Adam to be strong and Loving and we are tested, but when does GOD reward our good deeds if ever? Do we continue to walk with GOD even though we can not see GOD? How do you know GOD is with you? Have you seen a sign? Sleep well I hope my computer remains strong and protected. Peace, Sincerely, Gary

Interesting discussion, As I have tried to discuss this before. Agent brings up some interesting mysteries and contradictions. Let us begin with this creation story, and GOD saw that everything was good. And "they created them in their image." Now when that line was first pointed out to me, I didn't understand the implication and meaning. Then something would happen, I would come to know something that I need to share with others. So where do we actually begin? Should I provide a few links?

Hi shivram, good to see you discussing religion again....I am about tired of religion after the recent Mylot communal clashes. Anyway, I truly admire your patience and wish I could emulate it. But I can't...:) I won't be making any other responses to any comment this particular post of mine may get. The reason -- I intensely dislike a couple of characters who are actively participating in this discussion. I refuse to mention names. Ok, regarding Adam and Eve and the Biblical story of creation...here is what I, and I repeat, I, feel about it. Like most creation myths that cannot be scientifically proved, the biblical tale of creation is also a myth .... a fable. So what is its significance, you might ask. The significance, my friend, depends on you. Do you see any spiritual value in it? Then it has value ... otherwise it has absolutely no value. Several people have interpreted this biblical myth is several ways to suit their own belief patterns. I am a great admirer of Yogananada Paramahamsa. Read his autobiography. In that autobiography, he has written about his guru's interpretation of the Adam and Eve story. I don't agree with this interpretation, but I found it intriguing. Now for another thing you might be wondering about. Does this biblical fable hold any importance for me? No, my friend, it doesn't. I have read that story so many times, trying to make sense of it. It makes no sense to me, so it has no spiritual value for me. For me, the Adam and Eve tale is a nice fairy tale. For one thing, I personally dislike the notion that I, a woman, originated from a man's ribs. Moreover, men and women have the same number of ribs; so this can't be true. Of course, ribs do grow back; so Adam's rib might have grown back after God did his surgery. Even then, I would rather originate from an ape than from a man. http://www.mothernature.com/Library/bookshelf/Books/32/72.cfm http://creationwiki.org/(Talk.Origins)_Men_have_fewer_ribs_than_women http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v21/i4/ribs.asp Second, God's rage! I cannot accept as truth the concept of a God that gets so angry and punishes innocent generations just coz Adam and Eve ate the apple. Third, I cannot fathom the foolishness of a God to place a forbidden thing where it can be easily gotten hold of by Adam and Eve. He should have kept that tree somewhere far away from them. People are always interested in "forbidden things." God, having created man and woman, should have known this weakness...since it is he who created them. So, in a nutshell, the story of Adam and Eve is only a delightful bed time tale for me. I don't see any spiritual value in it. What I would suggest is this---if this myth has any spiritual value for you, retain it; otherwise discard it! Cheers and happy mylotting

Hello Shivram123,You have started a good subject for discussion.I am also interested to study bible,quran and holy books of various religions of the world. Let us take good teachings in it,instead of stick on to certain fictions contained there on and arguing in favour and against.We shall respect all religions equally. Ancient religious faith in India had met several modifications/additions/changes/ alterations by many reformers like Mahaveer, Gutam Buddha, Gurunanak and many others. Thanks.

We are at the same situation, one day, when we woke up early in the morning, then we realized that we need to renew ourselves and be ready to be with God tru Bible study. At the moment, I am a beginner and the Christian community are there to help me.