Does Obama's Constitutional Eligibility to be President Matter To You?
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
December 8, 2008 1:38am CST
I ask this of everyone, but I'm especially interested in hearing from those who have supported Obama through the election.
If it comes out that Obama was never eligible to be president, would it matter to you? Would you insist that he should still be allowed to be the president even if there is no Constitutional authority for him to do so?
Is having Obama as president more important to you than maintaining the authority and integrity of the US Constitution?
Please, this question isn't about the outcome of the election, this is about him and the US Constitution.
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8 responses
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
8 Dec 08
Contrary to the mistaken belief expressed by *someone* in an discussion on an entirely different topic, I believe that the Constitution is the heart & soul of this country and something that is more valuable than one person, one party or one election. If it was established that Barack Obama was never eligible to run for President in the first place, yes, it would matter to me. I wouldn't want the issue swept under the rug...nor some amendment quickly written and pushed through...nor the situation to be simply ignored.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Dec 08
Thnx Spalladino, that is kind of why I posted this article. I thought it would be a good idea to separate this point from all the other talk about Obama and the controversy.
Like you, I don't see any president or person as being above the US Constitution and would hate to see it trashed for anyone.
Thank you for your response, and for sharing your thoughts and feelings about the US Constitution.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
8 Dec 08
No it's not more important than the constitution. However, it's important to also realize that none of the people demanding this birth certificatte have any right to it. You cannot ask a state (in this case Hawaii) to release coinfidential information to those who are not entitled to that information. That sets a dangerous precedent.
About the only think that I can think of that would or should force Hawaii or Obama release the information would be if the electoral college refused to confirm him without that info.
Also, this case that was just dismissed initially argued that John McCain was also ineligible to be President. That's a moot point now because McCain did not win the election but how come nobody was even mildly offended that John McCain's status was being questioned?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Dec 08
No!
John McCain was born a citizen of the US and it has never been revoked. The only reason anyone questioned it is because of a common misconception that the US Constitution says something about being "born on US soil". It is so common that many History and Civics textbooks use those words.
True, we don't want the states to be forced to produce birth certificates, however, the onus should be on HIM to prove his eligibility, not on everyone else.
Obama refuses to produce proof of his eligibility, which is not acceptable. It is his fault that any of these questions are even being asked.
Since he was registered for school, and there is evidence that he was adopted by Lobo Soeto, we don't even know for a fact that his legal name is Barack Obama.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
8 Dec 08
Yes, I realize that John McCain has good citizenship. I was just pointing out that this lawsuit was initially against both candidates but all we hear is the Obama part.
Indonesia cannot revoke US citizenship. Only an American embassy or consulate could have done that and a formal request would have to have been filed. So if Obama's citizenship was really revoked, there should be a record of that with the consulate or embassy near where he was living at the time at it would have been filed with the State Department. Why don't these people just try to get that info? Maybe the Supreme Court knows that it does not exist and that is one of the reasons they found this lawsuit without merit.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Dec 08
If his parents applied for him to become a citizen of Indonesia they would have been required by Indonesian law to get his US citizenship revoked first.
@wsue1023 (1395)
• United States
8 Dec 08
Sure it matters. I can't for the life of me understand why he hasn't been forced to produce his birth certificate. It's really shameful that a man wouldn't clear up this matter on his own, but would let the rumors fly. Makes me wonder if he really is eligible or not. I think the fact that he's not been called on it from a higher authority (government wise) is a joke and a disgrace.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Dec 08
His arrogance tells him that he shouldn't have to prove anything. Like every other spoiled brat, he considers "responsibility" something that is required of everyone else, but not himself.
@peavey (16936)
• United States
8 Dec 08
Of course it matters. I didn't support him, but it wouldn't matter if I did. If he can't follow the laws of this nation on that, what other laws does he ignore?
I think if we find out that he isn't eligible, yet "they" allow him to become president anyway, we're toast.
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@visitorinvasion (7709)
• United States
9 Dec 08
If he isn't eligible, he isn't eligible and should be disqualified like any other ineligible candidate would be. Personally, I don't believe he was born here. Why would his own grandmother say otherwise? Why would the Kenyan Ambassador state on live radio that Kenya has plans to erect a monument at Obama's birthplace?
Why of all why's would he spend nearly a million dollars in court hearings when it would probably run less than a c-note to have the county in Hawaii where he claims he was born transfer his birth certificate to the county in which he now lives?
...cost my mom $6 to have mine transferred from Grissom to Grant about 20+ years ago, the "less than a c-note" allows for inflation.
Am I supposed to believe a typical citizen can work this magic while the President Elect cannot and must waste hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting it in court?
...I know you want to hear from supporters, but I couldn't help myself.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Dec 08
Hey, you chiming in is as good as any. I'd like those questions answered too, but apparently the Supreme Court would rather duck and cover than do their sworn duty. I guess we'll find out after it will cause a Constitutional crisis if he isn't.
@chameleonsdream (1230)
• United States
8 Dec 08
Yes, it matters to me. If Obama is not eligible under the Constitution to be president, then he should not be president - but it also matters to me under what grounds and circumstances he is declared to be Constitutionally disqualified. The entire definition hinges on the meaning of the phrase "natural born citizen", which has been redefined no less than 5 times since the legislature originally drafted the section of the US Code on which it is based. There are more rules about how a child of foreign born and naturalized citizens can become naturalized than there are defining the phrase "natural born citizen". If it is determined that Obama is not a citizen by torturing the phrase to redefine "natural born" yet again, then I question whether the Constitution is actually being upheld at all.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Dec 08
Natural Born Citizen. A citizen who did not get citizenship through naturalization.
Seems pretty simple to me, but like you point out, it has been made unsimple. Which is sad.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
8 Dec 08
This does matter to me. There are only two requirements to become President. For cryinng out loud, if he should be able to bypass half, we might as well through out the Constitution. It seems alot of people want to do that too, but atleast have a legitimate President when you do it.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
8 Dec 08
It does matter, but do you think that the Congress is going to kick him out if they find out that he is not a natural born US. citizen? I doubt it. The reason is that they, that is the white people has this white guilt and feel they have to compensate the blacks for the years of slavery they endured by making exceptions for them that they would not make for anyone else. Oh if the blacks who voted for Obama said that if he is not a natural born US citizen, he should not be president, then the Congress will uphold the constitution, but I doubt if they will do anything about it if all the majority demanded it.
In my opinion, if he is not an American born citizen and did not retain it, he should not be president.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Dec 08
In the words of a Chicago area Obama supporter...
"We got pimped!"
Even some of his supporters are pissed at him.