Do we Justify................
By walkthetalk
@walkthetalk (1307)
United States
December 8, 2008 11:36pm CST
The thing that happen in life on the misshapes from our parents or our childhood?
If your father Abused your mother does that justify you abusing your spouse?
OR your kids? And is it love?
If your parents left you when you was a child. Does that justify you leaving your kids?
OR does that make you want to be there for them?
If our parents were alcoholics. Do we justify by also drinking too much.?
Or do we try to break the trend? Raise our kids different.
You tell me. Do you justify things like this in your life?
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13 responses
@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
10 Dec 08
OK, You may have misunderstood me. This is only a discussion. I don't drink. Not even with friends. I'd never leave my kids. I have been mentally abused. I guess is what brought this discussion on. Someone told me once that her husband abused her ( she didn't say in what way )
but that she justified it because that was the way he was raised. I'm was just wandering how many people there was that really felt that way. My husband was raised that way. He wouldn't get help. So me and my daughter left.
Thanks for your comment.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
14 Dec 08
Very wise advise. thank you so much.
If I could give you some advice.
Try to use whole sentences. And whole words. Its much easier to read. You can always use spell check. I use it every time.
Thanks for your comment.
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
9 Dec 08
On the other hand, it would want me to just avoid the very things which had scarred me in my childhood. I have had only one bitter experience and that was with my mom, whose overbearing nature, strict discipline and continuous interference, ensured that I stepped into adulthood with zero confidence and 100% dependence on ‘somebody’. Since I now how difficult it was for me to become ‘normal’ and what price I had to pay in the process, I ensure that my son grows up with a mind of his own. More than a mom, I am a guide and a confidant to him. Its not that he doesn’t get any discipline but I know when to step in unlike my mom, why never actually stepped out.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
10 Dec 08
We are the same age. I must say, That is very sad that you went out in life not know how to live it. That's one think that I have tried to instill in my daughter. I even started a post here on mylot. You may be interested in reading it. It about confidence.
Thanks a lot.
@biggerb (2024)
• India
9 Dec 08
This is indeed a very good topic for discussion.I have seen this kind of justification happen in many homes.This is just not correct.If we have undergone a bad time we know what it feels like. We should never repeat it.If this chain reaction goes on then where is the end to it.We have to see to it that whatever bad things happened to us should be rectified for our loved ones like our spouse or kids.What are we going to gain by repeating what happened to us? In what way can that revenge be rectified.I remember hearing stories about my grandmother who was abused and had a terrible life.I believe that she used to take out her frustration on my mother and her brother.My mum always kept telling us these stories and I found my mother never was very affectionate or good with us children.We lived all our lives in boardings. She I think tried to justify her stand.She has been in her own world.Its she and no one else that's utter selfishness.I had a bad experience so I have never let my son know this.I have tried to do my best to make his life with us parents, a memorable and enjoyable thing.
@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
10 Dec 08
That is a terrible thing what your mother went through. I think it was something she couldn't get past. It was unfortunate that her kids had to suffer through it as well.
My husband had a very bad childhood as well. His father abused his mom. And He was getting to the point where he was verbally and mentally abusing me. I left before it was to the point of his parents. He would go without food and electric, and water. Because his dad wouldn't work.
There were seven kids and they would run from D H S. He sometimes want to tell our kids these stories. I tell him no. Its not their problem.
Thanks, and good luck.
@Keola12 (823)
• United States
9 Dec 08
Whatever wrong the parents did to the child doesn't justify the parents actions, nor does it justify the child doing the same things to his or her own children. Chances are, the parents who abuse their children or leave their children, had the same thing done to them by their parents when they themselves were children. What the child needs to do is break the cycle.
@busyB4 (874)
• United States
9 Dec 08
I know you hear that the pattern repeats itself, but I think anyone can choose to make the lives for their family better than the way they had it. At least we hope they hae the courage to do just that and not follow the painful past to anyone in the future. It is so sad that people have been abused, etc... but I think they have the choice to move on to better things and this will lead to happiness instead of more sadness!
@mokbul (616)
• Singapore
10 Dec 08
Anything bad should not be repeated. If the parents has done something wrong, children should not do that knowingly. rather should try to correct those wrong doings which has caused suffering for him or her by the the parents.
But the fact is that certain bad behaviors are deeps et in mind - in subconscious mind and the people when grow up they repeat same not consciously but is a action from their subconscious mind. Soon after they realize and repent also.
Probably those kids suffered from their parents should go through counsellings and psychiatrist treatment to erase out the remaining of bad memories from subconscious mind.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
10 Dec 08
I agree whole heartily with you.
That people who suffer as an abuser should get counseling. If it was an action of there parents hands that puts them in the place there at, they need to face that and get help for it. Not use it for an excuse to abuse.
The victim of abuse should not make excuses for there abuser because of a certain situation. If they are being hit, or mentally abused. It is abuse, and everyone involved needs help.
Thanks for your comment.
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@lilaclady (28207)
• Australia
9 Dec 08
I don't think it justifys anything as we all have choices to make and we all have our our own rights and wrongs but i guess in a way when parents do certain things it can make kids think it is the normal way but i still think everyone still has that inner voice telling us what is right and wrong..
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
9 Dec 08
You have a point. Hopefully we're all making the right choices. When it comes to kids.
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@irishmist (3814)
• United States
12 Dec 08
Life is really hard, who can really say what justifies what. We can change the destiny of our lives for the better if we so choose, though it may be hard at times.
@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
14 Dec 08
Your right.
Me and my daughter were talking today, and she is really confused over what is going on with me and her dad. With the separation and all. She said she just hates going back and forth.
I ask her did mommy seem happier now? And was she happier when she was with me?
We used to be miserable together.
When my husband yelled at me, I yelled at her, she yelled at me, and we all stayed mad at each other all the time.
So today I justified why we were always mad, And why we're happy now.
@Quirkly (95)
• Canada
9 Dec 08
Break the cycle.
Change things, if there are violent histories in the past, we don't want to repeat those. Those growing up in good homes, should live and use that as examples, those that were abused, should strive hard to not repeat history.
There's a lot in my past that I work hard at breaking, and a lot that I also work hard at emulating and copying, because those are the things that pushed me to want to break the vicious cycle, so the more I push those ideals, the less the bad sides will come out, and the less likely they will come out in my children.
It's not easy, it can be difficult and almost impossible at times, so sometimes it can take a few generations to totally clean up, but it's always possible if you want it to happen.
Anyone who uses family history as an excuse for bad habits, needs to rethink their logic, because everyone is an individual who can change themselves.
@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
9 Dec 08
I agree. And a lot of people need to see this. My father in law was a very angry man. For some reason. Not sure why. My mother in law always stuck by him and took his mental abuse.
The older my husband got the more he turned into his father. He pointed out that his mother never left. I said, She didn't have the nerve, or the education, or a place to go, or a job, or a life, or friends, or the power I have over my own life.
Thanks for your story.
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@syankee525 (6261)
• United States
9 Dec 08
well it don't justify. but to me and it's well known that kids will learn things from the parents.
like you i abuse my wife, my son will learn it's alright. ( i don't) and my daughter will look a guy who will abuse her. and if i'm a drunk. ok i am. my kids will end being a drunk as well.
i am lucky my kids didn't get into drinking like me. they seen me being dumb too many times.
but it's a circle it goes in. they have to be willing to break it. but it never justify it by far..
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@Thumper11 (662)
• United States
9 Dec 08
As a social worker and psychologist, I say that we should try to break the cycle. If you are caught abusing your children they are removed from your home until you can be a better parent and find other forms of discipline. We are encouraged to get out of abusive relationships, but also as a psychologist, I understand that this is learned behavior and we can't always learn a different behavior. I would hope that no child, woman, man, or animal be abused, but it's gonna happen somewhere.... it's how we as humans get by eventually. I don't think there should be any justification for this, but I know that it is hard to change behavior that we have learned from a very young age. I do not justify this in my life. I have been in 2 abusive relationships and I got out of both as soon as I could because no one deserves to be treated that badly.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
9 Dec 08
I agree with you. I have learned through talking to other women that they justify. IN saying his father beat his mother, he cant help it. Women need to see there worth more.
Thanks.
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@walkthetalk (1307)
• United States
9 Dec 08
I agree. I love my family. They didn't hit each other or anything, but they yelled a lot.
my dad drank a lot, and that's not how I want to raise my kids. Thanks.
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