Obama bashing
By grandpa_lash
@grandpa_lash (5225)
Australia
December 9, 2008 5:07am CST
I'm curious. Not being American, I pay some attention to their elections, because the results tend to affect the rest of the world, but then my interest fades. But since I've been a member of Mylot it's hard to miss the dozens of anti-Obama discussion threads which are happening months before the man even takes office. Is this normal?
Did this happen before Bush took office, or Clinton? Is there something unusual about this degree of criticism of an incoming president before he takes office, or is the norm in American politics? In our country, the new leader takes over immediately the election is declared, so this sort of thing simply can't happen.
Lash
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
9 Dec 08
Yes to both Bush and Clinton but, with this Bush it was worse since he lost the popular vote but, won the electoral vote. Most people were upset by that fact. I personally was more upset by that fact than he wasn't the person that I voted for.
Conservatives will continue to bash Obama no matter what he does. It's just the way that it is. These are the same people that said we can't talk bad about the president.
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
9 Dec 08
So in other words this is a normal part of American politics? At least here, once the election is over people tend to give the new fellow time to make some mistakes before they start on with this sort of bashing.
Lash
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
9 Dec 08
Yeah it's pretty normal. On our news we often see government officals from other countries behaving badly ie hitting each other, yelling, cursing and I have often wondered if ours were to act that way would the bashing end. lol
Bush had it worse than Clinton for many reasons but, basically I think that the Bushisms is what made it worse.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
9 Dec 08
Yes, one of the rights we enjoy is that of bashing and supporting our elected officials. A right we both take very seriously and have fun with... often at the same time. :~D
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@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
10 Dec 08
Well we have the right to bash them as well but we tend to let them have a go at actually trying to govern before we condemn them for not having been able to do it. Obama has not even got into power yet so he has not actually had a chance to do anything yet.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
10 Dec 08
Since this is the first election myLot has been in existence I'm not sure if it's ever been as nasty or as widespread as it has been this year but every President-Elect has had his critics. I guess it depends on who you talk to or what you watch on the news but as I said in a response to another post in this thread my own memories of when Clinton was elected are that some of those who didn't support him never really got over it. Typically, however, a new President gets a bit of a "honeymoon" period where people tend to give him some leeway and aren't so hard on him. This usually applies to the general public as well as to Congress and the media although obviously there are always exceptions. They just now showed a recent poll here and Obama is enjoying very high overall approval ratings so what you see on myLot isn't necessarily an indication of the mood of the country as a whole.
Annie
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
13 Dec 08
You mean Mylot attracts all the Republicans? Oh no, my idea of a nightmare. lol.
Lash
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
10 Dec 08
I can understand bashing someone who has tried and failed but bashing someone just because he is a different party is silly. We do criticise our politicians in Australia but at least we give them a chance to stuff up before we condemn them.
It is sort of like a honeymoon of the new government. Over time they start to make mistakes or they take decisions that can be criticised and off it goes. But Obama has not even taken office yet.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
9 Dec 08
It happened with Bush. I was not a memeber of Mylot during Clinton so I can not say if it did then. But it probly did. It is pretty normal in american politics.
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
10 Dec 08
Well then, the consensus is that this is a part of US politics.
Lash
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@murderistic (2278)
• United States
9 Dec 08
Well, you also have to consider that this is a message board and a lot of the people bashing Obama probably don't go up to every person they see and bash him. The internet is a good way to let your frustrations out, apparently. I have not heard anyone bash Obama outright since election day. Of course people are going to give you their opinion if you're having a political-minded discussion, but that's a bit different than the bashing that's been going on around here haha.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
11 Dec 08
In general Americans like to criticize their presidents but the bashing seems to grow stronger against the Democratic presidents. They tend to be more charismatic types that the rest of the world find interesting and that really bothers the conservatives. Hillary Clinton said there was a "right wing conspiracy" and I think she was probably right.
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@nageshnnr (85)
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9 Dec 08
may be the govt coming to power can change the destiny of americans and even enhance.if not obviously.the people.can choose to their will and wish.but obama is coming to powwer with many anti fans.and his name fading........so........
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@cloudstrife (50)
• Canada
10 Dec 08
grandpa_lash: not american myself. but i have noticed this as well. not on this site so much as other places but i have.
I think what "may" the case is mylot may have a a large number of american users who are reublicans. might be a bit bitter about the turn out of the elecrtion and naturally would have a slanted view (in a negative way) in regards to obama.
personally i love obama! lets see if he can make the united states look like the good guys in the world again. (canadian here)
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@yaoyuan15 (66)
• China
10 Dec 08
I am not American, but I admire their politics system. Everyone can express their true opionion, they can vote for the one they like. This is country of freedom. Not like us, I haven't voted for once although I will be 30 years old soon.
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@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
10 Dec 08
I can understand your point, but there are far better models in the Western world than the US. Look at Canada, Australia, or New Zealand political systems, and you will find much more effective democracy.
Each of these countries, as had Britain, avoids the presidential system, which makes the person more important than the politics. Sure, our leaders get more attention than their colleagues, but not in the sense that a US president does.
Further, under the US system minor parties, expressing minority but still significant views, have no hope of electoral success, whereas in the three nations I mentioned, especially Australia and New Zealand, they have a significant impact. They, in effect, keep the major parties honest.
Lash
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