Christmas gifts
By SViswan
@SViswan (12051)
India
December 10, 2008 5:12am CST
It has been a christmas tradition at our school for kids to bring in gifts that cost a specific amount and exchange it at school.
This year, at the pre-activity centre that I teach, the kids are asked to bring in a gift worth a certain amount and they will be handed over the SAME gift by Santa Claus during Christmas celebrations.
I find that so funny...for may reasons.
1. What's the point of buying a gift for your child and sending it to school (which the child themself bring to school)?
2. What's the point of specifying a certain price for the gift when it is going to come to your child?
3. How do you teach a child about exchanging gifts when he/she is getting the gift that he/she got from home?
When I spoke to the teachers who came up with this idea, their point was that....when the parents buy a gift for their own child, they will take care to buy a good gift....or else they will just buy something inexpensive for someone else. So, one parent might gift an expensive present and their child might recieve a cheap present...which isn't fair.
It still doesn't make sense to me.
What's your stand on this? Or can you clear this up for me?
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30 responses
@Monkeyrose (2840)
• Canada
11 Dec 08
lol This is a really silly set up! The point of secret Santa should be to give to others. I mean, if the parents are just getting their own child a gift why don't they just wait til christmas and put it under the christmas tree.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 Dec 08
It's not a real 'secret Santa' kind of a thing...but that's the point and the main school campus exchanges gifts.
And my point was the same as yours....if it was the parents' gift to their own child, then why not just keep it under the christmas tree. This is like forcing another gift on your child. What if a parent does not want to buy their child two gifts? They have to forgo the one which they would have put under their christmas tree.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
18 Dec 08
And another point is that most of the students are non-Christians and most of the parents are therefore 'forced' to buy a gift for their own child when they aren't even celebrating. I don't mind buying a gift for another child to keep up with the spirit of the season but certainly don't want to buy my child a gift especially since he had his birthday a few weeks back and got a lot of gifts.
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@Monkeyrose (2840)
• Canada
14 Dec 08
I do agree with you. This does seem very silly. And you have a good point about the parents who cant afford to get their kids two gifts. What are they to do then? The kid feels left out either way.
@brew2x (3094)
• Philippines
11 Dec 08
I'm as confuse as you are. It's much better if they ask the kids to bring gifts of certain amount and then exchange it with their schoolmates. If their child receive a cheap present then they can complain to the committee. One organization around here held a Christmas party and they've exchanged gifts also. They bought presents of certain amount and to make sure that no one cheats they've asked the members to include the receipts together with the gifts. This is more ridiculous I suppose ... lol... :)
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 Dec 08
Asking for a reciept at school would be wierd...but I agree that what our part of the school does is wierder. I see no point and I have no choice than to go along with it (just one teacher agrees with my viewpoint). I'm going to re-wrap one on my son's toys and send it across.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
18 Dec 08
A few of them were disappointed (today was the christmas celebration at school)...because a few of them were handed the gifts by Santa and the rest were distributed by the teachers because Santa had another 'appointment'! And the kids who were handed the gifts from Santa were the younger lot who couldn't read or communicate and they immediately went around keeping their gifts in various hiding places or just 'forgot' about a wrapped gift when they went off to play. After solving the 'mystery' of some of the lost gifts, we were still left with one missing gift and were not able to find it anywhere and the child was unable to tell us where he had been or kept the gift.
@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
10 Dec 08
When we exchanged gifts at school, the teachers told us that we had to buy something not over a certain amount. Then it was around five dollars because then there were lots of gifts under a dollar (yes back in the age of the dinosaurs) and we were expected to get the gift ourselves. Each kid had to buy a gift for another child and all we knew was it was either a girl or a boy. And we did not buy the gift for ourselves, it was for the other kid so in a way it was teaching us giving and so no matter how poor or how rich the family was, they all got the same price range of gifts.
And the giver did not feel outdone.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
18 Dec 08
That is the best way. Part of the fun is trying to figure out what the other kid wants, and not just give them a gift that you want. I mean if someone who loved yellow gave me a yellow scarf because they wanted it, I would not like it. Boys however are hard to get gifts to. I mean I do not like giving cap pistols,
@merxel (2)
• Philippines
11 Dec 08
I think you're all missing the point of exchanging gifts. Christmas is a reminder to all of us to share our blessings with other people. It's a way of giving back for all that you have received throughout the year. And this goes out to kids too. Monetary value is not even important. The value we teach the children is what matters the most. That value is sharing.
If the point of this scheme is to avoid getting cheap present, then you shouldn't do it during christmas,or any other holiday for that matter. Christmas is about remembering what matters the most in our lives, not the monetary value of presents. In short, it's the thought that counts. =)
@4mymak (1793)
• Malaysia
12 Dec 08
we do 'gift exchange' at the office also..
- we put our names in a box, and then each person will pick a name to give the gift to.. so you dont really know who is getting your gift until the very last minute.
so, i dont really understand what is the 'real purpose' of 'gift-exchange' that your school, either. i agree with you that it makes no sense to buy a gift, but ask someone else to 'present it back to you'... the children should learn to be generous, and want to give something that they themselves would like to have as a gift - to be given to another person..
as for the 'fixed price' i can understand that.. because we normally do set a minimum price - let's say, everyone needs to get something that is worth at least $10.00, and not cheaper..
so, if you want to get something that's worth $50.. fine..
or if you want to get something that's worth $10.50.. that's fine, too..
but normally i'd see our members getting gifts that's worth average between $12-$20.
so.. everyone will somehow end-up getting gifts that is worth the same price.. which is 'fair' to everyone.. since it is a 'surprise' gift from 'a stranger' to 'a stranger'..
maybe my dear viswan would like to change the ongoing tradition at your school for something better?
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 Dec 08
The tradition at the school is to 'exchange' gifts..we are the two year old wing of the school and this is the new tradition in this wing. I see the point of fixing a price when the gift is going to be exchanged....but why the case when the same gift comes back home? What difference would it make if the gift is worth 5$ or 50$? And how will the child learn about sharing if they know they are going to get the same gift that they bring in....and they also know what they have inside the wrapped box.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
10 Dec 08
I think it is a brilliant idea. Of course, it would be more brilliant yet just to skip the whole thing and let the school stay out of both secular and religious holidays and do what a school should do best...teach basic skills and leave the values to society. But if they must have a gift exchange, I agree the the best lesson is taught when people get back what they gave. When I was a poor child I was required by the school to buy a gift for another child and always the gift I gave was better than any I received. Truly, I don't think I learned anything from that except that no good deed goes unpunished. It didn't stop me from doing good deeds, if you know what I mean, but that experience makes me understand what your school is trying to do and I applaud it.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
lol..a '+' for you even though I do not agree with the idea.
The main school 'exchanges' gifts...and as a parent I do not want to 'gift' my child something...though I do not mind spending the money when they have to exchange gifts.
Since the amount for the gift is specified, I don't think one would get a 'better' gift than the other....but it's possible that a child might get something they don't like....but that happens during birthdays too.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
18 Dec 08
I see your point too...and I'd rather have no 'gifts' at all than have them re-gifted to my kids. And all of them didn't get the gift from Santa either. Santa had another 'appointment' and had to rush...he handed over the gifts to a few students (the youngest set...which wasn't a very good idea because the gifts were lost or mixed up pretty soon since most of these kids couldn't read or communicate) and told the rest of the students that their gifts were handed over to the teachers and they would be distributing them (which upset the older ones because they expected Santa to give it to them especially since a few of the younger ones got theirs from Santa).
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
11 Dec 08
I see your point, too. The fact is when I was the "victim" in those children's gift exchanges, almost every single time the "gift" I got was perfume and my mum would every single time say "That is nasty!" and then make me watch her pour it down the toilet to get rid of it. That was cruel. But I blamed the school for making us exchange "gifts" in the first place. They didn't ask the parents if they wanted to participate, and holidays gifts have nothing to do with the 3 R's.
@bam001 (940)
• United States
11 Dec 08
I had to laugh when I read your post. The kids will figure out that they are getting their own gift back! I think that if the issue is some parents spending a lot and others not spending very much, why doesn't the school request that each parent send a set amount of cash and then let school staff purchase gifts with the students in mind.
My personal opinion is giving up the gift giving altogether. I think a fun party would be more than enough. Children don't remember the gifts...but they do remember the time.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
I'd love it if there was no gift exchange.
Most of the kids (atleast the ones in my class) know they are going to get the same gift back! And they've also told me what's inside each wrapped box.
But I don't want to spend Rs 100 for a gift for my own child for Christmas...especially since we don't really celebrate Christmas and his birthday just got over and he got a lot of gifts then.
@roniroxas (10559)
• Philippines
11 Dec 08
i have four children and when they are still young it is always a battle for them during christmas party at school because of exchange gifts. the teacher will say an amount on how much you can spend to buy gifts for exchange gifts. my daugther once got a toy for guys and she went home crying. when i talked to the teacher she said oh that is from a mother she knows and when i talked to the mother she told me that it is okay.... my daugther has a brother who can use that. HELLO.... i dont think that was a good answer. what is the semce of exchange gift if the parent is going to buy something for a boy if a girl will going to get it. so i think your school has more sense than what i had experience during the days when my children are still young. there are more stories i just gave you one example.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
I'd be mad if I got that answer too. But our school (the main campus where gifts are still exchanged) does not specify a gender for the gift.
I've been a parent for the past 5 years and never had a bad experience except for a gift being less expensive than the one I got...but I talked to my son then about appreciating the gift (anyways he didn't realize the the gift we gave was more expensive).
@arkaf61 (10881)
• Canada
11 Dec 08
Sorry, can't really clear it. It is true that gift exchanges are not always the fairest of them all :) But everyone knows that. Some gifts will always be more expensive or more thoughtful than others. But within the amount given which is usually not that much, there can't be that much of a difference. Kids are supposed to learn the joy of giving, and receiving - not the calculation of gifts cost. It's supposed to be light and fun and not taken too seriously. And it's a great practice for when Aunt Edna gives them that really ugly sweater instead of the new ipod LOL
Either I am really getting old, or the world keeps getting crazier and crazier. All this political correctness is nonsense half the time, and no one is benefiting from it, on the contrary .
@SViswan (12051)
• India
14 Dec 08
It's not the world but my part of the school that's getting crazier and crazier. The main school campus is continuing the tradition of exchanging gifts. And the amount for the gift is les than at our school. I'm going to re-wrap one of my son's toys and send it across.
@luvstochat (6907)
• United States
10 Dec 08
I have never heard of doing a gift exchange that way before. My kids have always done a gift exhange that a boy buys for a boy and a girl for a girl. My daughter brought home a note if she wants to participate in the gift exhange to bring a gift worth no more than $3 for a girl. We got a stuffed puppy and a disney princess card game the dollar store. I think it is a nice gift.
All the teaher had to do was say to spend around a certain amount and then you wouldn't need to worry about a child getting an inexpensive or expensive gift. Sending a gift your own child will bring home is kinda dumb.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
Exactly! The main school campus has been doing the same as your daughter's school for the past 6 years...only difference is that they do not specify boy or girl. And that makes perfect sense to me. As a parent (my younger one is in the same campus as I am and my older one goes to the bigger main school), I don't want to be 'forced' to buy a gift for my child.
@kissie34 (2294)
• Philippines
11 Dec 08
Actually, the school were my niece had studied also doing this kind of activity during Christmas Party.. But the different is theres no specific amount of money, they can spend how much they want to give to their children.. As for my niece, her mom (which is sister) keep the gift as a secret.. My sister won't tell her daughter that she will give her a gift and what give she will be able to received.. She was the one who go to school and give it to the teacher so that her child doesn't know about they will be able to received a gift.. So that when the time is come, children will think that it came from Santa Claus even the truth is it came from their parent..
The point why the teacher is doing this kind of activity its because to let the children believe that there is Santa Claus.. In every Christmas, they just need to wish and pray all the things that they want to receive on Christmas to God so that God will be able to whisper it to Santa.. I find it cute for the children because it is very effective to my niece.. Before she go to sleep, she will pray and ask it from God..
As what you've mention above , for me the reason given by your co-teacher isn't "good or theres no really sense" because money or the amount of gift that we give and receive from others isn't really important because it is just a money, what is more important is the person gave that gift or choose that gift for me its because he/she thinks that good for me or its best for me and it came from his/her heart.. In some point, I know what she was trying to say.. There are really other parents will buy some cheap gift for the exchange gift and its unfair for others but we can't do anything about it.. But what is really important she/he still find or choose gift to give and it came from his/her heart..
@hotsummer (13837)
• Philippines
10 Dec 08
yeah, this does not make sense thuogh they have a point that we might receive lesser value for the gift that we have given . but still we have just to trust other people to give us some gift that is worth the amount they have agreed on. and just because of reason that some will not going to buy the right price or value should not deter us from to continue the tradiction of gift giving.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
I agree that some parents might buy a gift of a lesser amount (but that will be very few)....but the tradition has been followed in our school for the past 6 years...it is only the pre-activity centre which is running the second year which has opted for 're-gifting' instead of 'exchanging'.
@CJay77 (4438)
• Australia
10 Dec 08
Hi SViswan! In my country, most of the school have a Christmas party and they do exchange gift with a certain amount to spent, but they don't receive the same gift that they buy. It is quite strange in your school to give a certain amount to spend for the gift and then receive the same gift! But maybe the reason is because some parents can spend so much for their children and the other parents cannot and there's a chance that other children would see a nice gift from the other kids and ask why they didn't get the same! So maybe to avoid jealousy and for some kids to get sad and upset, they come up with this idea. Merry Christmas.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
Merry Christmas to you too!
1. The kids do not open the gifts at school.
2. The amount for the gift is specified.
The possibility of kids comparing gifts will happen even when it is their own parents getting their gifts for them. Each parent spends differently and naturally one child will get a more expensive gift than another child.
@mzplased (255)
• United States
10 Dec 08
It sounds kind of silly to me to work it that way. If your supose to spend the same dollar amount on a gift it shouldnt matter who its for. If I were to buy a gift for my child or someone else its going to be of the same value. It almost sounds greedy to me. I put care into what I would buy for a gift exchange, I think others do too. Just because it's not my kid I wouldnt just buy something that I didnt think a kid would like, that would be wasting money. I think that the same thing could happen with the parents buying cheap or expensive even if they are gifting for their own child don't you?
@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
Yes, I think the same way (I'm a parent at the same school)....in fact, I might put a little more thought and care when I buy a gift for another child.
But I think that's not the way most parents think and they would rather spend that money on their own child than another and not giving their child a chance to learn the importance of sharing and gifting. I call it selfish....and I'm even more mad that the school (only where I work..the main school 'exchanges' the gifts) is condoning it.
@nilzerous1 (2434)
• India
10 Dec 08
This is absolutely ridiculous!!!
What's the point in giving the same gift that the children themselves brought to school?
Since the price is fixed - so, you can assume a standardized quality, provided nobody plays a cheat role!
Now it would be better to re-distribute the gifts among the kids by organizing lottery. Not only it will be unbiased, or impartial - but it will bring lot of fun for everybody.
I think this is the idea you can share with other teachers.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
See, the main school is around 6 years old and we are the pre-activity wing of the bigger school. We are just two years old now. The main school follows the tradition of exchanging gifts and that is the reason why there is a specified price for the gifts...so that there is uniformity. But I certainly see no point in specifying an amount for a gift that is going to come back home.
I have shared my idea with the other teachers and there is just one person who shares the same opinion as I do.
I am a parent at the same place and I don't think I want to buy something of a specified amount for my own child. I feel like I am forced to get something for my child just because it's christmas. I don't mind buying a gift for another child so that my child learns the point of gifting....but certainly don't think it's necessary to get MY child a 'forced' gift for christmas.
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
10 Dec 08
Hi Sandhya,
Its been a long long time but I think the Christmas spirit has caught up with all of us. No I cant clear this out for you, its rather a roundabout way of putting things in perspective. A better way would have been for all children to take the gifts to school and then Santa just mixes them and so each child gets a separate gift from what s/he’s got. Like the school can stipulate say Rs. 20 per child and with that you can send whatever you want to (pencil boxes, sketch pen sets, kids drawing books etc) and then let Santa mix them all and hand out the gifts.
My son’s school has similar parties (in fact they have quite a few) and I really like the format. The entire class is divided into two or three groups and each child from each group is asked to bring a particular food worth say Rs. 20 (never more). So one group brings the cup cakes, one group the chips, one group the flootis and they all have a grand party. The school provides the decorations (hats and streamers and glitters) and they have a gala time. Till they were in kindergarten, they did not have to carry any food and the school gave each toddler a box of cakes for Christmas.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
That's a great idea what your son's school did.
In my case, the gift amount is specified...Rs 100...and I don't see the point in specifying an amount if the gift is coming back!)
In the main school (ours is just in the second year), it is a tradition to get a gift worth Rs 50 (was Rs. 20 earlier) and mix it up and re-distribute it...which I was okay with. But now as a parent (my younger one is at the place where I work and the older one is in the main campus), I don't want to be 'forced' to buy a gift worth Rs.100 for my own child. I'm ready to spend it on another child in the 'spirit of Christmas' but I don't think I need to do it for my own child.
Along with the gifts that were exchanged, the main campus also gives a gift (the same thing) to every child.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
10 Dec 08
If I understand correctly, it is not a case of there being a set price limit and then all the gifts are randomly distributed; it is a case of the children being RE-gifted the same one they have already bought for themselves right? If this is the case then it does seem a bit odd, yes. It is fair enough that there is a price limit and I can also understand the school's concerns with one gift being favoured by ine child over another if there were no controls; but surely the price boundaries alone would limit chances of anything negative happening? It does seem a tad overcautious to me. Maybe if they were to set some more boundaries in parallel with the price outlines it would limit any chances of neagtive repurcussions and keep things more exciting for the kids. For example, a gift no more than 10 dollars and it has to be a book, or something like that?
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
You understood right:)
It's more to please the parents than the kids (the age ranges from 2 years to 4 years and they are too young to understand the worth of each gift and anyways they do not open it at school).
But the tradition of the main school for the past 6 years (and we are just the pre-activity wing and in the second year) has been to exchange gifts. A few parents have voiced their concern of their child not getting a gift they like and suggesting that we 'regift'...but the teachers have explained that we want to instil the 'spirit of Christmas' and gifting and they are exchaning gifts this year too.
As a parent, I do not want to be forced to buy a Rs. 100 gift for my child (another matter that no one's going to know if I send an empty box!)especially something that they already know what it is and the only excitement is that it is going to be gifted by Santa.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
10 Dec 08
You are right in a sense that the children will get the same gift, which they will bring, so it might not be a new idea or new thing for them to carry. On the other hand it is also not possible to exchange gifts carrying different monetary values. Perhaps, the intention might be to teach a child - "what does a gift mean or Santa brings gifts on the occasion of Christmas". I think the kids would feel happy that atleast, they are getting something as a gift through celebrations or Santa. Small kids won't understand or won't take it too seriously that they are going to take their own gifts back. I think, let it be and let the children bring their own gifts and enjoy themselves.
@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
The amount has been specified...a gift worth Rs100.
And you hit the nail on the head when you say that the kids won't take it too seriously. It is to please the parents. But the kids do know that they are taking their same gift back...because they know the wrapping....and also since the parents have got them something they like and told them that they will be getting it back from school during christmas celebrations.
Secondly, it has been a school tradition for the past 6 years to 'exchange' christmas gifts...and it is the same this year in the main school. There have been a few parents who complained...but it has been explained to them that the school is trying to instil the spirit of christmas and gifting to children and so it wouldn't make sense to send the same gift back.
Anyways, I can't do much about it...but I do not intend to get a 'forced' gift for my child for christmas.
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@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
10 Dec 08
It aslo doesn't make sense to me... the reason of the teachers who initiated the idea totally defeated the purpose of gift giving... and dwells mainly of materialism... we should teach students at a very young age to appreciate whatever gift they give because it is the thought that counts...
What if the parent cannot afford expensive gifts... that doesn't mean their child does not deserve to get expensive gifts... i wonder why the principal consented to this activity... he/she of all people should know the meaning and value of giving and receiving gifts...
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
Exactly my point.
The Principal is not aware of what is happening (and I'm not going to be the one complaining). The main school campus follows the tradition of 'exchanging' Christmas gifts. And it has been this way for the past 6 years. We are in oursecond year and apparently this was done last year to please certain parents...who didn't want to gift an 'expensive' gift to another child...while they were ready to spend that amount on their own child.
As a parent, I think otherwise and don't want to be forced to buy a Rs. 100 gift for my own child while I am ready to spend that money on another child in the spirit of Christmas.
@Sillychick (3275)
• United States
10 Dec 08
Sounds pretty pointless. You are right, it does not teach them anything about exchanging, and the joy of giving.
I don't see how parents could buy cheap presents for others if there is a price set. Say hypothetically that the price range is $10- $15. The gifts will be pretty comparable regardless of whether a parent wants to buy a 'good' gift or not.
Have you gotten any feedback from the parents? I'm curious what they think of it. I don't think I would like it if my son's school did something like this.
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@SViswan (12051)
• India
11 Dec 08
The main school campus (where my older son goes) has the tradition of 'exchanging' gifts and it's been that way for the past 6 years.
The pre-activity wing where I work and my younger one goes is in the second year and this is what they plan to do. Apparently, this is because of the feedback from some parents last year who felt that they didn't want to spend that amount of money for another child while they were ready to spend for their own child.
As a parent, I think the opposite and don't want to be 'forced' to spend this amount on my child...while I would spend the amount on another child to instil the spirit of Christmas and gifting to my child.
I've already spoken to a few other teachers (only one of who agrees with me) and the Centre Head (whose daughter is in the same class as my son)....and her response was that when she went looking for a gift for Rs. 100, she couldn't find anything and so she spent the amount the same amount to buy something that her daughter liked. She also said she wouldn't have bought the same thing for another child because she felt that it was too expensive to 'gift'!!!