Can you justify being wealthy and being a Christian?
By murderistic
@murderistic (2278)
United States
December 13, 2008 11:31pm CST
I have often wondered this. Many great Christian thinkers went as far as to give up all of their possessions. From what I understand of the Bible, God has a special favor for the poor. I look at the story of manna and I know that must rely on God to supply us with our needs. There are also other Biblical stories that teach us how to handle our finances, that teach us to invest our money. It has become hard to me to decide on what type of lifestyle to live once I graduate college. Two years ago, I was seriously considering joining a Christian commune called JPUSA. I have since decided that that's not the life I want to live, I want to reach out to the entire world, and that's not something that I would have been able to do in JPUSA. So I am at a loss. So I am wondering if anyone can justify being a wealthy Christian? Is it okay if you are using your wealth and power for good causes? Or would God rather you not be excessive?
12 responses
@prinzess1515 (1341)
• United States
15 Dec 08
There is nothing wrong with having a lot of money. Money is not evil, it's the love of money that is.
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@ClassyCat (1214)
• United States
15 Dec 08
ooops sorry in Proverbs 3:10 that first word should
read "So, not do"
Guess I didn't notice the mistake till after I posted
my comment.
C.C.
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@murderistic (2278)
• United States
15 Dec 08
I agree with this. However, I have to wonder, if one really didn't love and/or worship money, why would they need it in excess?
@060157 (1059)
• Pakistan
14 Dec 08
it is not a sin to be wealthy IF you have gained the money by lawful means and give the needy their share, i.e. give charity (for Muslims it is 2.5% on the money that has been saved for over a year). this is an obligation. once you fulfill this obligation, you are free to use your money on lawful things however you want.
but in the current world, there is a lot of gap between the rich and poor. just think if all the people would follow this law, and just give 2.5% to the poor, the world would rid of hunger.
and as for you, you can send money to your trustworthy friends overseas, who may then give away the money to the needy people. i have a friend as well who sends money from america to me so that i can give it away to the poor.
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@060157 (1059)
• Pakistan
14 Dec 08
if you are being wealthy using the right means, and you are working in the right place, then there is no worry.
i myself donate to such organizations who are supporting thousands of lives in my cities and many other cities. they are making shelters for the poor and also give totally free top-notch facilities to the poor and currently they are working in the northern areas where earthquake destroyed everything.
one should not stop himself from doing charity, even if it brings just one meal to someone. even doing such a meager thing assures great rewards and it is God who sees the intention and accepts ones effort. and if you want to make even more difference and want to give even more, God's rewards are limitless.
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@murderistic (2278)
• United States
14 Dec 08
I just don't think it as easy to define the right place to work, or using wealth for the right means. That is what perplexes me. For instance, there's the question of whether we should we buy things made from cheap labor or things that were fairly traded? On the one hand, without cheap labor, many people who are poor would not be able to afford to buy some of the staple needs that they have. And although the laborers are being exploited and being paid much less than they deserve, they value their work as something better than the other alternatives that they might have. But does that make it right?
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
14 Dec 08
In the bible we find Jesus saying that it easier for a poor man to enter the kingdom of heaven than a wealthy man. However one can be poor but bound with his little possessions. One can be wealthy but uses his own wealth to help others and help the poor. If you are wealthy it does not mean you are going to hell. just use it wisely.
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@murderistic (2278)
• United States
14 Dec 08
That's a good point, many of the poor are very materialistic. Some even become poor because of that.
@miamilady (4910)
• United States
14 Dec 08
Well, my daughter goes to a Christian school, and by the looks of the cars in the parking lot, LOTS of Christians find a way to justify being wealthy!
Unfortunately, I am not driving one of those nice cars.
My daughter said something to me the other day. She brought this idea home from school. I'm not sure I entirely agree, but it was an interesting discussion, if nothing else.
She said that God doesn't give wealthy to people who can't handle it.
My reply was "Then I guess some people get there wealth from someone else (implying Satan of course). She seemed to agree with that theory.
For me, my religious beliefs are still questionable. I don't think it's wrong to be wealthy. I do think you can do well and business, reap the benefits of your hard work and also give some back to the community. I don't think that's wrong.
You just have to be careful not to get wrapped up in greed and pretense.
It really all depends on what you do with your money and how you use it.
@murderistic (2278)
• United States
14 Dec 08
I go to a Christian college as well, and I don't quite get that argument. College students are usually raked in debt, LOL. I don't think that the type of car you drive should really be reflective of anything, especially for college students, who more than likely were given their car as a gift from daddy and mommy. If they were to sell it it would be a bit disrespectful to their parents I think. But anyway. I don't necessarily agree with that argument. God can give people things and put people in situations that they can't handle very well as a test or to teach lessons. I don't think that wealth is from Satan, because all of our wealth and everything we own is from God's creation. I think that the way we handle wealth can be influenced by Satan, though.
@freethinkingagent (2501)
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14 Dec 08
It is hard to be both wealthy and meek. But if one can be wealthy, meek, and generous then i see no problem
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@murderistic (2278)
• United States
14 Dec 08
But is it possible to be both wealthy and generous? If one was truly generous, one wouldn't be wealthy.
@michiganrawfood (90)
• United States
14 Dec 08
I don't think their is anything wrong with being wealthy if you are a Christian as long as your attitude is right. Why wouldn't God want you to have the best of everything? If you work hard and get your money by honest means, than their is nothing wrong with it! If you buy needless things, and never help people less fortunate than that is not a good attitude! It's not about how much money you have, but how you use it. I know a lot of wealthy Christians who look down on people who don't have money, and again, that is the wrong attitude. Just because you have money doesn't mean God loves you more. There are plenty of evil people who have lots of money, and plenty of good people who have none. So, the problem with money can be thinking it makes you better than people. If you can not allow the wealth to go to your head, and stay humble, than it's ok. If you can't do this, than it would probably be better to be poor! I think God gives special care to the poor because they need extra protection, and it takes more faith to still love and believe in God when you don't have your physical needs cared for! I wouldn't take the passages to mean that God thinks they are better people! It's not how much money you have, but your attitude towards it, in my opinion!
@murderistic (2278)
• United States
15 Dec 08
"Why wouldn't God want you to have the best of everything?"
How is being wealthy having the "best" of anything?
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
16 Sep 09
I don't think it's wrong to be a rich Christian. Had I been a very rich person I would use all the money to create lot of job for many unemployed people. I would use the money to serve the poor and and so on. I would not use the money to live a luxurious cosy life, but to help those who are in need. So that I can generate more money and also serve the need of the weak and poor.
@ClassyCat (1214)
• United States
14 Dec 08
I'd be interested to know what scriptures
in the Bible that refer to any 'special favor'
being upon God's people because of their being
poor.
We must not read the same Bible. Go back into
the Old Testament - and you'll find that
Solomon was probably the ricest man that ever
lived. Others who were followers of God were
wealthy as well - such as Abraham, Isaac, Jacob,
Joeseph, and others. there are others in the
New Testament, that were wealthy as well, and
they were followers of Christ.
The poverty thing in our day and time, was a
doctrine started many, many years ago. It has
nothing to do with how God favors or doesn't
favor you.
The issue is in your heart's attitude towards God.
You can be poor and be a genuine anti-christ sinner,
or you can be rich, and be a genuine anti-christ
sinner.
James said that he would that we prosper "even as
our soul prospers." So that's the issue - your soul
prospering refers to your growth in your relationship
With Jesus.
If you're heart is turely in God's - you'll will want
to bless others with goods, and money, when the need
arises. Even giving a dollar to a cause, with a cheerful
heart (attitude), will receive the favor of God.
@murderistic (2278)
• United States
14 Dec 08
God has used and transformed the hearts of many people with power and wealth, that is undeniable. But many of those people were used to help the poor out of oppression! If God did not favor the poor, why would he choose for the Messiah to live a life of poverty? While everyone was expecting a rich and powerful Messiah, God instead decided to make the perfect human being poor and with no power other than His words. God loves justice. And I am not saying that he values the poor over the rich, but because He loves justice, He has to favor them because they are the ones at a disadvantage.
1 Samuel 2:8 He raises the poor from the dust and lifts the needy from the ash heap; he seats them with princes and has them inherit a throne of honor. For the foundations of the earth are the Lords, upon them he has set the world.
Proverbs 29:7 The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.
James 2:5 Listen, my dear brothers: Has not God chosen those who are poor in the eyes of the world to be rich in faith and to inherit the kingdom He promised those who love Him?
Luke 6:20-21 Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the kingdom of God. Blessed are who who hunger now, for you will be satisfied.
Jesus did not say "blessed are the rich." In fact, here is what he has to say about the rich:
Matthew 6:24 No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate one and love the other, or he will be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.
Matthew 19:24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
In the story of Lazarus (a poor man) and the rich man in Luke 16, the rich man is sent to hell with no other apparent reason other than being rich.
And just a tip, when you are talking to fellow Christians it kind of disrespectful to ask if they are reading the same Bible as you. I read the KJV, the NIV, and the NASB. Just so you know.
@tiatime (3)
• United States
14 Dec 08
I feel that God wants us to display humility, but we don't necessarily have to be poor. I believe that He wants us to enjoy our lives, but not in an excessice manner. I wouldn't really suggest being ridiculously wealthy. However, if that is how God blesses you, do not use it only to your advantage. Live fairly comfortable and dedicate a nice (preferably large) portion both to God and to those that need it more than you.
@murderistic (2278)
• United States
14 Dec 08
This is a great statement: "I believe that He wants us to enjoy our lives, but not in an excessive manner." I think this is where we can find a fair balance between being rich and poor.
@sawatzky (69)
• Canada
17 Apr 09
I think that God favors the SPIRIT of the poor. Not because they have no money, but because they are more willing to share 100% of what they have. If the rich are willing to share 100% of what they have Jesus would favor them too!
I heard about an apple farm in Washington that shared 100% of their profits with employees and charity. That's the spirit!
@sawatzky (69)
• Canada
17 Apr 09
We have a family income of around 120G/year. Is that wealthy?
I think the acid test is... are you WILLING to give it all up if you are called out of your comfort zone and into a life of [relative] poverty?
Like the Rich man in the gospels that realized that he couldn't do it. For ME I wouldn't mind giving up my salary, but the real sacrifice would be giving up my pension. I have a great pension but almost no additional savings. Many people go on mission terms of 2-3 years. A minor sacrifice followed by several years of playing catch-up buying back their lost pensions. Is that giving up your wealth?
I have a real problem with churches that teach that if your within God's will he will bless you richly... in the monetary sense. (see YouTube and search for "John Piper and the Prosperity Gospel")
There are plenty of rich christians out there that are doing great things with their money. I have no problem with that. I have a big problem with those that make their money and spend it on their own personal mansions, and don't give even 1% to charity... and even then it's just for the write-off.
@rmw1234 (1)
• United States
7 Jan 10
The Bible says in Ecc 9:10 - Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might;, Rom 12:11 - Not slothfull in business; fervent in spirit; serving the Lord;, 1 Cor 10:31 - Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God., Col 3:23 - And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as unto the Lord, and not unto men., Mt 7:1 - Judge not, that ye be not judged. God often works through human instrumentality to get things done - Joseph saving an entire region from starvation - surely he wasn't poor; David supplying the materials and wealth to build the temple - surely he wasn't poor. May I suggest that you find out FROM God what HE wants you to do with your life that you may glorify HIM with it and not worry about the concensus opinion to your question.
We are all sinners in need of the Savior, including me.
Sincerely,
Mr. Hypocrite.