Hell cannot exist

So where did Hitler go? Cause if he's in heaven I think I'll pass.

Interesting point, but there's one little flaw in that type of logic: If Hell can't exist, then why does Lucifer exist in religion? If Hell can't exist, Lucifer can't exist either, and he's the reason why we have so many evils of the world, and if Hell and Lucifer can't exist, then evil shouldn't exist. After all, the world has a tumultuous balance of good and evil, and if there's only good, the balance is out of whack. Same with only evil. So God can't exist without Lucifer, because at least he keeps the balance steady, and Heaven can't exist without Hell. What a mind-bending thing to think about, huh?

Hell does exist and it exists right here on earth. Heaven and hell are both in our own making, in our own hands. If there is a God and He has given us free will, He has also given us intelligence, discretion, conscience. It is for us to use these and act accordingly so as to make our life heaven or hell.

Well written and researched, Frederick42! God is a Loving God. His Love is Absolute. God loves Absolutely. Absolute love demands Absolutely Nothing in Return. How could a God who loves us with an Absolute love ever do harm to us? There is No way He would send anyone to hell. He will harm us in no way, at any time. "But when Jesus saw it he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the Kingdom of God."(Mark 10: 13-14)

why cant hell exist.. everything is balanced in thgis worls. if there is heaven then there is hell .. straight and simple. ;)

I do believe that there is a heaven and a hell. And I believe according to the Bible, that in order to go to heaven you have to make Jesus Christ the lord of your life. With that said, even if I didn't believe that, I still don't think I understand what you are saying. If there were no hell, then how would that make us have free will. Free will is simply having the ability to make a choice. And the free will God gave us was to choose if we want to live right or live wrong, to accept Jesus or deny him. Now attached to each of those choices is a consequence, accepting Jesus and what he did leads to heaven and denying it leads to hell. If there were no hell, then I think that would actually mean we did not have free will, because then what would be the point in choosing. Instead we could just do whatever we wanted, and not have to think about the effect or consequence of it. If you are not considering a consequence, what is the purpose in making a choice at all? It's not about God wanting to kick, beat, torture and kill, because that's not who God is. I think you are referring to the devil. As a matter of fact, the Bible says that Jesus came to give life and life more abundantly. God wants you to choose to love Him. He loves you, but just as in any relationship, you cannot make someone love you back. Love is not a feeling, but a choice, it is with any human relationship, and it's the same with God. Have you ever been so angry with someone, but you still loved them, that is an unconditional love, similar to the love God has for each one of us. But he gave us the FREE WILL to love him back, or not to love him back. That is the choice, and it is a free will choice. It's not like God is trying to pull one over on anyone either. He clearly says in the Bible what the result of each choice is, and then leaves you to decide. And it's not that God is saying something like go anywhere but switzerland and i'll kill you. It's not like that at all. It's more like if someone said to you, If you go to Vegas, you will gamble away all of your money, but if you come visit me in Michigan, I will give you a million dollars. Now, would you deny that you have the free will choice on whether or not to go to vegas or michigan. You can choose to do either one, but there are obvious and distinct results for each of those actions.

I'm not even going to touch this one.

Free will doesn't necessarily mean the freedom to do what you want without consequence. By the content of your post, I assume you believe in free will - so let's apply to your logic to a secular situation. In America, you're allowed to speak freely. However, say you get into an argument with another man, and end up calling him a bunch of nasty swear words. A cop overhears what you say, and immediately writes you a ticket for disorderly conduct in public. You still have the right to free speech - but your abusive use of it has led to a legal citation. You can choose to stop paying taxes, you can choose to steal from your neighbor, and you can choose to lie to a judge, but if you do so, you'll be punished for it by our legal system. By your logic, the legal system doesn't exist if we have free will. We have free will, but it is the will to consciously choose to do something we want to do. That doesn't mean it's the ability to do as we please without consequence.

Frederick42, So how do you perceive one should do with this free will that is given to you? Do the very things that will offend God? Self centered, selfish, plunder around, commit acts of treason, terror, resentful, disrespectful, ignorant, disobedient, promiscuous, lie, adultery, behave immorally, child abuse, animal abuse and etc., I simply do not believe that you do not have and have never committed any of the above. Do you think you would ever be let off for such acts and behavior? Do you ever think that you could even escape the accountability of your actions? Sorry, all of us including your good self will come before judgment and there will be paybacks. Life isn't simply about making decisions over a restaurant menu or holiday destination. In your lifetime there is the prison and the gallows and whether you like it or not hell will follow in our afterlife. Belief in a place of terrible punishment for the wicked isn't limited to the Christian tradition. People of all religious traditions—ancient and recent, major and minor, pantheistic or theistic—have believed in a terrible state of suffering for the wicked in the afterlife. There seems to be a universal sense of the reality of character formation and the fact that a spiritual abyss lurks below willful evil deeds. You may want to trivial over this issue, however, let me assure you that there will always be consequences for one's action. Look around and be a little more observant if there is such things as the penal code and punishments in accordance here in our lifetime, I just hate to venture what it will be like when we come face to face with God for the ultimate judgment. Choose the path of wisdom and goodness, my friend, lest you fall short and miss that golden opportunity. Take care and my compliments of the season to you and all at home.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa wonderful discussion Mr.Frederick. I love your point of view. I am with you. God never wants to harm us and will not touch you unless and until you harm any other living creature. It is all give and take policy, you love Gods creation he loves you. You harm his creation he harms you. But i never saw God perse and neither people who got killed by terrorist organisations, they were never saved.

Maybe the diffinition of hell in the webster is different than that the hell of the Holy scriptures.

God didn't give us free will. He gave us the right to choose and he told us what the consequences of our chose would be. Free will is a man made expression. You could choose to do the school work or not and the consequences would be you pass to the next grade or you don't, but that is a chose you are free to make not free will, and you know ahead of time what will happen by the chose you make.

Hell isn't about free will. It's about having a committed relationship with God. When you decide that you don't want to have a relationship with God then hell would be your eternal resting place. Free will just means that you are free to choose, free to think for yourself. Hell isn't a punishment, it's a choice.

There is no hell or heaven. Life is like boomerang. What you do comes back to you. If you do good to others then you will be in a good situation, if you do bad to others then you will suffer. Suffering is the hell and happy and enjoying is heaven. If you give good you get good or other way around. God gave us brain to think pick good job or bad job and face the consequences.

I believe hell is a state of mind, rather than a place. If a person knows that he gave up all the beautiful things that God offered him just because he wanted to exercise his right to free will it would be hell when he realized what he was missing. There would be "weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth" I read that somewhere in describing hell. So, God gave us free agency and hopes we shoose the fight things.

It's a mixed up point of view I'm afraid. Sure God gave us free will, would you prefer to have your husband or wife love you through force or because they wanted to? You are disregarding satan in your statement above. Satan has mixed this world up, provided distractions and diversions, lies and deceit. God say's follow me and you will be ok. But it's your choice. Satan is attempting to lead us all into hell and it's up to you which direction to follow. God say's don't go that way, but it's your choice.

I personally belief that the prohibitions God puts on things are for our safety because some of these things cause physical harm. But doing or not doing these things has nothing to do with getting us into heaven or hell. The only thing that I'm aware of that can keep us separated from God is rejection of His Son, Jesus Christ. Hell does exist, but it was created for Satan and his followers.

y it's depends to point of view for you you do not belive it for me I do believe it exist

Well, well well... Just keep discussing about if there is hell and heaven. I dont care, I am looking forward to joinig the warriors in the Halls of Valhall. So, have fun discussing.

lol...nice one...hope it does nt exist...