Why is NO ONE Talking About Obama's Birth Certificate?

United States
January 2, 2009 12:40am CST
Okay before we begin can we take a close look at the facts and not call anyone a racist bigot? I have no racist tendencies whatsoever! In fact two of my nephews are biracial and I love them dearly. Now that my motives are clear why is no one talking about Obama's official birth certificate? Main stream media is conspicuously silent on the issue while there are lawsuits being brought left and right. First the facts as I have been able to accumulate them, Obama is refusing to show the documents, in fact he has hired expensive lawyers. He has changed his name from Barry Sotoreo (not sure of the spelling) and is said to have attended a muslim school in Kenya for four years, this fact is only important because you could not attend school there unless you were a citizen and dual citizenship was not allowed. So why is it anytime this is brought up the only argument against it is those who want proof are crazy people who can not accept him? I have had to provide a certified copy of my original birth certificate many times in this country for different reasons and I guarantee no phone call from an official confirming it would have sufficed. Why is the highest office in the land any different? If this is all nothing why doesnt he provide all of his documentation, including proof that his mother did not give up his citizenship when he was a child and put this all to rest? Until these rumors are dispelled there will be no unity in this country. Does anyone realize what will happen if it is found out later that he was not eligible to be president? Laws and treaties can be nullified and the constitution will seem as no effect. Please no name calling, this should be a rational disscussion about an important topic. Thank you
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@MntlWard (878)
• United States
2 Jan 09
What makes you think he didn't provide his documentation to the people who decide whether or not he can run for President? Why should he put rumors to rest? He can't go to the houses of everyone who's heard this rumor and show each of them his birth certificate. Anyway, officials from the state of Hawaii have confirmed that Obama is a natural-born citizen of the US. That's why these lawsuits keep getting thrown out. http://www.kxmb.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=291913
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• United States
2 Jan 09
I think he did not provide the documentation because uh.. well he didnt. The lawsuits are being thrown out because of the wording of some of them and the right of the person to bring the suit, not because the birth certificate has been provided. The officials in Hawaii said they had seen his birth certificate. I challenge you to get a passport on that kind of recommendation. It will not happen, the officials will say that is nice now provide us with the certified copy of your birth certificate. In addition you have the issue of his citizen ship being renounced so that he could attend school in Kenya.
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@MntlWard (878)
• United States
3 Jan 09
Obama isn't at the passport office. Why don't you believe the Hawaii officials? And which one is the problem, again? First you deny he's even a natural-born citizen, then you claim his mother had to abandon his citizenship to put him in school in Kenya, which would mean he must have been a citizen.
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• United States
3 Jan 09
I am saying that I have heard both. I am saying that I do not know and it is funny that there is no information about the issue except what everyone believes or doesnt believe. You search it on the net and find very little in the news about it even though lawsuits are flying everywhere. I simply find that strange.
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@us2owls (1681)
• United States
2 Jan 09
I have responded to a post about this matter on a previous occasion. I think Obama should provide everything needed and it angers me that anyone running for the office of President is not required to put all necessary paperwork into the public domain before their name goes on the ballot. I am a naturalized US citizen. I was born and raised in the UK ( Sheffield England to be exact.) My first husband was an American serviceman - serving his country when I met him. We were married in Sheffield. Our first child was born in the UK in a British Hospital. Had she been born on the military base she would have automatically been a US citizen. Her father because of illness was sent back to the US and thats when I had to get papers from him, properly notarized and I had to make several trips to the US Embassy in Liverpool taking my infant child with me to get her registered as a US citizen. All this was done at my expense. She had to undergo a physical etc and finally I got her registered and she had her own US passport. She still has that passport and she is now 49 years old. I had to go through it all again for myself to get a visa to enter the country. I am not racially predjudiced because I have a bi-racial great grandaughter and when she has some unkind things said to her I have told her to tell whoever is doing it that she is not white - she is not black - she is like everyone else HUMAN. I think Obama will do a d3cent job as President but only time will tell. What I think about is what it will cost the country if he is proved to not be a born and bred US citizen as is required in the constitution for anyone to be the President. From all I have read about this I have some very great doubts that he is. Please Mr. Obama - sort it - provide everything that is needed to prove your citizenship one way or the other. If you are not a citizen as required it will certainly save a lot of hassle in my home state, Illinois, because our crooked Governors choice for the Senate won't be sworn in because you will still be our Senator along with Richard Durbin.
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
2 Jan 09
Your child was born with dual citizenship that was automatic at birth but it still had to be proved and a choice had to be made at some point. Same thing applies to the birth of Barack Obama. If indeed he was born on foreign soil. If he was born in Hawaii, this does not matter. I understand this. However, what nuts like Berg (He is very very well known in the Phila area where I live for his nonsense law suits) are pressing is the fact that Indonesia and Kenya don't allow dual citizenship therfore since Obama lived there and attended school there, he lost his US citizenship. That is nonsense. The US does not care if these other countries acknowledge dual citizenship or not. The US government recognizes it and ONLY the US can retract US citizenship. Has it occurred to you that the people who are making an issue of this citizenship thing are the same people who accussed Hillary Clinton of murdering Vince Foster and John McCain of having a love child? These are basically Obama's enemies and they are all tied up in nonsense law suits. Seems to me that from Barack Obama's point of view this is an ideal situation. Why should he placate them with birth verification that he does not have to provide? They'll only move on to other, more vicious accusations.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
Very well put, the point at this time is we have a country divided and in trouble this needs to be sorted out ASAP! Thank you for your comments.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
3 Jan 09
What do you mean we're divided and in trouble? Show me one news story where there are mass demonstrations about this issue? The only thing I've seen are a couple of lawsuits which do not a divided country make.
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• Canada
2 Jan 09
It is in all the tabloids right now. I didn't give much attention to it because of that. I agree with you even being canadian i think he should have no choice but to show his documents and prove that he is elegible just like anyone else would have to. I doubt very much that any judge will say he can keep them hidden. Who will be president if he gets kicked out? Do you know? I am wondering since I did not follow the us elections.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
Wow, I was not aware it was in the tabloids, is that in Canada or the US? I am not sure, some are saying Biden and others are saying that he would be proven inelligible to run in the first place and therefore his choice of Vice President is not valid. I suppose they might have another run off election or maybe Mccain since he was an eligible candidate. It is hard to say really this has never been an issue before. The court side of it will depend on if the justices are playing politics or not. So far most of the early law suits have been thrown out. Some still exist or at least in part.
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• Canada
2 Jan 09
I am assuming it is in the US since alot of the tabloids are from there but I am in Canada. It will definately be interesting to see how this plays out. i am gonna try to keep an eye out for this and if it is true that he falsified hi birth certificate then how good can the government really be. He shouldn't have been able to evade this type of thing in the first place. I for one hope it is not true because his family will be so disgraced if it is true.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
3 Jan 09
I suppose they might have another run off election or maybe Mccain since he was an eligible candidate. It is hard to say really this has never been an issue before. There is NO way that the states are going to agree to go through the time and expense of another election and, no, McCain would not be *appointed* President...he lost the election. Obama may have selected Biden but the DNC had the final approval so, in the unlikely event that everyone on the committee was too stupid to properly vet the democratic candidate for president and he turns out to be unable to serve, Joe Biden would become the President.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
2 Jan 09
1) ANY child born to one parent who is a US citizen is automatically a natural US citizen if the US parent has resided for at least five years at some point in the US. Since his mother was born and raised in the US, Obama had natural US citizenship at birth. 2) It does NOT matter what any foreign country recognizes or does not recognize. ONLY the United States of America can revoke US citizenship and the USA recognizes dual citizenship until a child is old enough to choose. ONLY Barack Obama could have requested that his citizenship be revoked when he came of age. 3)He doesn't have to produce anything. The people charging he is not a US citizen have to produce his request for his US citizenship to be revoked and they cannot because it does not exist. furthermore, Obama is not the only candidate not to respond to these insane little lawsuits. John McCain ignored them also and the courts are rulling them without merit.
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@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
2 Jan 09
Well, I'm sorry to disagree with you but this is codified US law. Making something official does NOT mean that it wasn't there to begin with. If Obama was born in Kenya and he later wanted to press to be a naturel citizen, he would have to prove his birth and his mother's status etc. It would be easier if that had been done at birth BUT it would not rule his citizenship status out if it were not. It is sometimes more difficult to prove things after the fact but that does not mean that they cannot be proved. Also, dual citizenship is not the same as being born to parents in the military or working in an embassy. Where there is dual citizenship, there is also a parent of another nationality and they may not want the child registered. US law recognizes that fact and recognizes dual citizenship. I was merely stating that Obama could be a natural US citizen EVEN if he was born on foreign soil. If he was born in Hawaii this is moot. However, if he was born in Kenya, he would be a natural US citizen. The major problem here seems to be that people do not understand that Kenya and Indonesia and other foreign contries CANNOT retract American citizenship. Only the USA can do that and in order to do that, the person holding the citizenship must request it NOT his parents. Because the USA recognizes dual citizenship, the child has the right to choose when he or she comes of age.
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@us2owls (1681)
• United States
2 Jan 09
I am sorry to disagree with you - it may have changed in recent years - but Obama is not a child. My oldest child was born to a US citizen - an American Airman serving his country - and she had to be registered - have a physical and I had to have legally notarized papers from her father before her birth could be registered and her citizenship could be registered at the American Embassy, so with regards to Obama it is not just automatic because his Mother was Amreican - plus the fact she was not working for or serving her country when she met his father and gave birth to him. Please read my earlier post for more information.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
The thing is this is easily put to rest. What everyone believes and thinks has no bearing on the law. And how can you be sure that his mother could not give up his citizenship so he could attend school? As far as his mother being a citizen she was also under age, which some have said has bearing. I do not know for sure but like I said above all that needs to be done is show his records.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
Good question! I think that Obama has bullied his way, or better yet wiggled his eyebrows and the press just swooned over everything he said and if you did ask a tough question as a newbie press reporter you were shooed away like an annoying fly. The mainstream media should be the ones who "investigate" all the discrepancies that they just love to create so they can stir up news for another day but this little tidbit of important information just seems to get a pass. Could it be that they don't want their golden boy to actually have flaws, it’s like taking the hot girl to the dance and she's turns out to be guy, the question is there, how come nobody is asking for an honest answer. You or I don't have the credentials it takes to walk into a room of reporters and ask those tough questions, if it does turn out that he is not eligible to unpack his Samsonite in the casa blanca it will be the GOP's fault for not reaching across the aisle. The only thing we need to be reaching across the aisle with is a vaudeville hook to yank this ridiculous cover up off the grand stage. I know you wanted a rational discussion but I'm just waiting for him to swear in with his hand on the Koran!
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• United States
2 Jan 09
I can always count on you for a theatrical response! lol. You are so funny but at the same time right on the money.
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@vellibiz (297)
• United States
3 Jan 09
really? i believe everyone is just thinking too hard on the issue, when you go get ur id from the dmv you walk in and hand ur information to the peson helping you, not to all of america. when you take your first drivers test, u expect the instructor not all of america. when you sign your children up for school, the administration checks the certificate, not the other parents or students. oh and please...state which presidents in the past had to dish their birth certificate to the u.s public, besides mcCain, as an issue with his is arguable. and too think the media is protecting the "golden boy", you have to be naive to believe this is true, i guess that would include every republican reporter, and everyone at fox news said not to investigate whether hes a citizen, we'd rather talk about wright and ayer's. stop serving yourself crap. i cant believe someone suggested that every reporter in america hold your tounge about baracks birth cetificate, who ever started this discussion should end it now just for agreeing with this person, siding with this idiotic and narrow theory, turns your brain into mush as it hold no signifigance, this wouldnt even sell as a fictional book. the only thing that can be remotley real about what yousay is the koran, cause no one can actually prove whether he read it or lives by it.lol....i guess the press would bite their tounge on letting this out huh, even the muslim hating republicans...got yea!!!...theres no way he worships allah, the press would have a field day with that one, there wouldnt be one person on earth who didt know he was muslim. there's people, reporter's that would sacrifice their lives to get dirt on obama and alot have, but believe me if he were muslim, that wouldve been the first thing we would know about him, theres a muslim guy running for president and his name is barack hussein obama i guess everyone in chicago missed the whole birth certificate thing huh, as a senator i guess you dont have to show that huh? why hasent someone from chicago say yeah hes muslim i seen his birth certificate when he applied for senator. yea im sure the fbi and cia are ganna dish classified information about the middle east to a person they dont even know where was born....i guess that makes sense.... whatever i think i proved this guy isnt very intelligent. have a good day though,
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• United States
4 Jan 09
Obama gamed the system? OBAMA gamed the system?! Puh-uh-uh-leeze. coughcough HANGING CHADS coughcough JEB coughcough LOST POPULAR VOTE coughcough Oh, and President-elect Obama can swear on the Koran, the Bible, a toilet seat, a rabbit's foot, a buffalo chip, or a copy of Dianetics for all it's relevant to his forthcoming presidency - or ANYONE else's business.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
I am quite sure that the Washington machine and all of the gung-hos in suits (some of them blue and with certain bling), as well as all the lawyers and legislaters and all who are charged with the process of vetting any and all politician - especially those seeking national office, are better equipped than any journalist to assess the citizenship of an aspiring U.S. president. He survived the campaign - both primary and general, and if there were *real* dirt to find, it would have shown up, trust me. Just ask Nixon. Or Clinton. Or Blagojevich. Or Clarence Thomas. When the machine that is U.S. government wants to keep a secret from the people, it will. But if any politician tries to keep a secret from the machine - lotsa luck, pal, cause it ain't gonna happen. The one plus of this seemingly unchecked power IS our multi-party system. The police on one side of the aisle police them on the other side. Believe me, the republicans scraped under every crevice and dug and dug. Obama was vetted. He's clean.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
Then why hasn't someone from those offices come forward and said so?
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• United States
2 Jan 09
Well, to be blunt, I'm guessing they don't think they have to do that. Why would (a republican, let's say) come forward to say they did not find what they were trying to find - ie, dirt. Hell, I'll bet the Hillary Clinton team did their fair share of looking and didn't feel particularly motivated to publically report finding nothing. We're just the public. We're just the citizens. And let's face it, who wants to go out of their way to report being unsuccessful. You can be sure that those working*for* President-elect Obama shouted from the rooftops that he's legit. The "Nobamas" would rather not help "the other team". Even when the real "team" should be America and Americans and truth. Yikes - don't I sound all hokey with that sentiment? But that's governance and public policy and all that other "we the people" stuff. Politics has nothing to do with those lofty things.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
2 Jan 09
The point is very simple. Obama will be the first 'black' president of the United States, even though he is only half black. The media wanted a black president and so they promoted him all the way. It seems that African Americans are to be compensated for what happened when their ancestors were brought over from Africa as slaves. Therefore they are allowed to get away with what others cannot and they are still being compensated. America has the Negro only colleges, O.I. Simpson got off for murdering his wife even though he did it, Tiger Woods had someone move the rock at the golf course so he could get his golf ball, most of the police chiefs on tv shows are blacks, blacks are in high positions, are allowed to be moral (mention that they go to church, while whites are snuffed at if they mention they are Christians on TV shows, ) so therefore Obama does not need to show his true birth certificate because of his ethnicity. And if it is proved that he was not born a US. citizen or he lost it when his parents or one of his parents moved with him, then he will still be allowed to be president of the United States. It is all about race guilt.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
2 Jan 09
I am talking about fictional Tv shows. Have you noticed that on the Tv shows, the ceos are usually black as are the military leaders, etc. Yet on real life, they can be of any ethnic group and it is based on the major population. I expect if you live in South Carolina, there will be lots of black police chiefs, but not in some state where there is a small black population. So the media is mistaking tv shows with real life and think just because on the Tv shows, the leader of the company or the senator is African American it should be that in real life regardless of qualifications. So they look at the color first and then at the qualifications.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
3 Jan 09
I was having a discussion with my husband because at the New Years eve party, they started to say bad things about Sarah Palin and I piped up and said that Obama may not have been born in America. Well today my husband got angry because I did not show respect to Obama and that we have to wait and see that he got in legally. Well if he lied about his birth certificate, then he did not get in legally. If he was ashamed because when he was shown the birth certificate, he accidentally destroyed it, that I would accept, but he did not even say that.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
Interesting take on the situation, however I must say there are great black people in positions of authority because they deserve to be. Not all on either side of the race issue feel like there is any reason to compensate because of slavery. I am tired of being called a racist because I do not believe this man is the real deal though.
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@goldeneagle (6745)
• United States
2 Jan 09
just one more reason I think Obama has more than one thing to hide. The truth is that no one cares that Obama may not meet the qualifications required to be the president. They don't want to offend anyone in the black community by kicking out the first black presidential candidate on a technicality. I guess we have come to the point in this country that political correctness outweighs the importance of upholding the United States Constitution. To deny him the job, even though he doesn't meet the qualifying requirements, would make us all racists and give the NAACP one more thing to b*tch about....
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• United States
2 Jan 09
And that my friend is a terrifying place to be at.
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• United States
3 Jan 09
yeah it is sad when the NAACP has more influence than the federal government...
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@quinnkl (1667)
• United States
5 Jan 09
No one is talking about it because it has been checked and re-checked and the Hawaiian birth certificate is in fact valid. Obama has never refused to show the documents, that is another rumor. You can get the facts on this (and many other things democrat and republican based) by going to the website fastcheck.org And anyone who gets a rumor or email, should always check for the facts. Check more and more places, to filter rumor from truth. I think this issue has been brought up quite a few times here and other places. The rumors were dispelled and yet they keep persisting. I find that interesting as well. Seems to be the way things go these days. I am sure this and many other things will just keep going around and around. People who are against Mr Obama for whatever reason will always find negative things to say and rumors to spread. It happens over and over in this country for anyone "famous".
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• United States
8 Jan 09
Wouldnt it be fair to say there is a little more to this than rumor? Person after person is pursuing this in court. That goes beyond just spreading rumors that have no basis. I am aware that average people are talking about this my question should have read why isnt the media talking about this. And the media has been strangely quiet on the subject. I do agree that this country picks on those it does not like. Thank you for commenting.
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@quinnkl (1667)
• United States
8 Jan 09
And the court case is going to cost us tax payers tens of thousands of dollars more than we can afford. It has already been thrown out twice. People REALLY want a reason to throw him out (as they did Clinton for different reasons) - that is my opinion based on the research I have done. We will find out soon enough. Trust me, if there was anything to this - anyway at all this could keep him from office, the republican party would have been all over it months ago. As we have seen them do in the past. But time will tell.........
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@jerzgirl (9327)
• United States
3 Jan 09
I don't understand why anyone is continuing to talk about this topic. The State of Hawaii has already comfirmed that the certificate image released by Obama's team is valid and that there does exist a record of his birth on file. Secondly, the Supreme Court (heavily Republican) has refused to entertain this subject because it is a non-issue. Why are both of those NOT enough for people??? Hawaii's laws make birth certificates NON-public documents. Therefore, when Obama released a copy of his, the filing numbers were blocked from view. Hawaii said it was a true copy. How can that not be enough?? The fact that this topic continues does make it appear to be racially motivated, whether or not you claim otherwise. The debate was closed long ago.
• United States
3 Jan 09
Well because he hired a team of lawyers to fight it at the Supreme Court level. And the only reason so far that the suits have been thrown out is because of who brought them not because of the validity of the claim. There are two more cases set to be heard in January. Hawaii had a policy that even children born on foreign soil could receive a Hawaii birth certificate up to one year after birth. From what is being said it may or may not say he was actually born in Hawaii. How does the fact that this discussion goes on prove that it is racially motivated?
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
3 Jan 09
The haters will never stop, jerzgirl. They don't have anything else to b*tch about right now so they have to settle for this. Once Obama takes office I'm sure they'll have plenty of new conspiracies to chew on.
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• United States
3 Jan 09
According to Hawaiian law - and yes, I did look it up - a child born on foreign soil whose parents have lived in Hawaii for at least a year before the child's birth can apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate MORE than a year after the child's birth - and that birth certificate lists the foreign city as the child's birthplace. There is no provision in Hawaiian law to claim that a child born overseas was born in Hawaii. Even a foreign-born child who is adopted and issued a new birth certificate has his/her original place of birth listed on the Hawaiian birth certificate. This whole controversy is made up out of half-truths that don't apply to the situation in the least - including the whole "long form vs. short form" and "even Hawaii demands more proof than the short form to determine citizenship" load of canola.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
Hmmm I hadn't heard about any of this. Of course I don't pay as much attention to the news and politics now that I don't have anyone in my immediate vicinity with whom to discuss them intelligently, but I hadn't heard any of this. I was under the impression he was born in Hawaii. *shrug* Maybe I should pay closer attention.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
That is what bothers me the most, no one is hearing much about it. Even if there is nothing to it the media usually jumps on a potential scandal. Not this time, it just seems weird to me.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
Who cares where someone is born as long as they do a good job at what they are doing. I'm more concerned with how he's going to handle the war in iraq,gay marriage, health care etc. I think all this harping about his birth certificate is stupid.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
Well for one because the constitution of the United States says he must be a natural born citizen and if the constitution has no bearing on the top job in the land then this country is in worse shape than we thought.
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@sunil_008 (1269)
• India
2 Jan 09
i have no idea about all these things that you are saying. i am sure you must have some clue to all these things ,i hope your qs will be answered by mr obama very soonregarding the birth certificate issue. but i prefer you to raise the voice in your country rather than raising it here on the international lotting place... wish you a very happy new year.
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
3 Jan 09
I want to second the response that myLot IS in the US and add that this discussion does touch on free speech and the idea that someone would come in from outside the US and tell US citizens what to say exactly proves the point the discussion raises in the first place, that the leader of the US must be in a position to be unswayable by foreign influences. It is about hushing up things that should not be hushed up and how quite the media can be about some very important issues while at the same time they incessantly dwell upon nonsense that we have heard over and over again...new should be news, whether you agree with it or not. But here we shoot the messenger?
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• United States
2 Jan 09
Well since there is a whole lot of mylotters on here from the US I think this is a perfect forum.
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@Widget (18)
• United States
4 Jan 09
If he's able to resist all of the negative Domestic influences, resisting the foreign influences will be a piece-of-cake.
@Malinium (76)
• United States
3 Jan 09
Why wasn't anyone asking These kind of questions 8 years ago when Bush Jr strongarmed his presidency? Everybody was "Unpatriotic" if they said anything negative about Ol Georgie.The Media destroyed you.Fox News was sure to have you in their crosshairs overtalking you on the air.Its amazing how "Unamerican" we all were.Um,Um,Um...I dare you questions George's Military background!Shame on you! What about Arnold Terminator in Cali? We Know he's German But we need not question how American he should be to hold a U.S political office!Theres no way the election was rigged! So what if Jeb is his brother and the Govenor of the state(My Home State)that this debacle happened!Its all just speculation and spin!!!!.......MY SENTIMENTS EXACTLY.
@cricket1 (486)
• United States
4 Jan 09
lampar- I am sick and tired also of the being called racist thing if one does not support Obama. Does this mean if a Native American or Hispanic ran for president we should vote for him or her or be considered racist? In light of that should we also say that those who did not support Hillary are male shovenist pigs?
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• United States
3 Jan 09
malinium- I for one think there was plenty of bad stuff said about W during his reign as president, both in the media and out. In fact that is all you have heard for 8 years is how terrible he is. As far as Arnold goes you do not have to be natural born citizen to be govenor. I agree there is a lot of spin both ways, however dont you find it even a little odd that the people who dislike Obama are not breathing a word of this? Lampar- I do not even know what to say to that. I know I am sick of being called a racist if I disagree with the man.
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@lampar (7584)
• United States
3 Jan 09
This issue demonstrated there are still substantial number of racist Americans in the country that have problem dealing with reality that the 44th president of USA is a half white man rather than pure white. Nonsense like that will surface so long as the president is a non white because minority citizen is deem incompetent and unfit to hold highest office of the land in the eye and mind of the white racists. It never had been an issue the nationality of a president or governor among minority citizens from the past 200 years because we are color blind and non biased.
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@sid556 (30959)
• United States
3 Jan 09
The last that I heard on this was that it was legal. Even tho he was born in another country, his mother was an american and did not ever marry his father. Beyond that, I'm not sure of any of the details. Like you said, not much seems to being said about it. I hadn't even heard about the name change. What was that all about?
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• United States
3 Jan 09
Jerzgirl- His grandmother on his father side says he was born in Kenya.
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@jerzgirl (9327)
• United States
3 Jan 09
What other country??? He was born in Hawaii!
• United States
3 Jan 09
Do you understand Swahili? That phone call has been seriously open to question - a good portion of it (a portion that doesn't often get quoted because it contradicts the so-called "relevant" part) consists of his paternal grandmother and two translators speaking for her trying to correct the American "reverend" who keeps insisting that Obama was born in Kenya. They say repeatedly that he was born in Hawaii - his FATHER was born in Kenya. There is absolutely NOTHING to suggest that Anne Dunham traveled to Kenya at any time before Barack Obama's birth - nothing on her passport, nothing at all.
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@lvaldean (1612)
• United States
3 Jan 09
This is such a non-issue. If there were any credibility to the on-going lawsuits filed by Berg and his cronies they would be heard rather than thrown out. They have been repeatedly thrown out. Berg is an idiot. He is an idiot with an ax to grind. Let me help you here....Obama provided a certified copy of his certificate of live birth. This has been accepted by everyone who needs to accept it, including the courts. There have been numerous validations of what he has provided. Multiple "fact checking". It is unfortunate that there are so many that are determined to find fault with the President Elect rather than allow the democratic process to proceed as it was designed. I can assure you had the Clinton's found a shred of evidence that Obama was anything other than what and who he said they would have shouted it on the highest mountain tops. If the DNC believed for an instant their candidate could be challenged on something as petty and nonsensical as this, he would have never run let alone won the nomination. No one ever, not in any state ever gets their original birth certificate. The original certificate is always maintained either by the State or by the Hospital of birth. Generally the original certificate is sealed. I have two (2) original certificates. I have Certified Copies of both. The first is of my Live Birth. It says "baby girl" and my biological mothers last name. It does not list my father. It says I am illegitimate. It lists my race / ethnicity, gender, weight, and length at birth, date and time of birth. The second was issued 14 months later. It has my name as given to me by my adoptive parents. It copies my gender, weight, length, birth date and time. Interestingly, my ethnicity is changed on my second certificate. I am also not listed as illegitimate. My adoptive parents are listed as my parents. If I was not told I was adopted I would never have known that there was a different birth certificate or that my adoptive parents were not my "original" parents. Both of my Certified copies have the State Seal on them. Both also state clearly they are "Certified Copies" of original Birth Certificates. But just for fun: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/ http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html This is what you fill out when requesting a copy from Hawaii http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/pdf/birth.pdf
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@vellibiz (297)
• United States
2 Jan 09
there's some what truth in what you argue, but look at what i see. barack the magic negro where's his birth certificate? obama and blago obama and rezcko obama's appointment of hiliary clinton obama with his shirt off, is that presidential. gay activist dont like obama inaguration pastor warren. obama visits hawaii for christmas, while citizens struggle. no such thing as office of president elect ( but at the same time) obama hasent offered what he's going to do yet. and he's president elect! its seems every way he can get picked at it's there, so we charge him on everything and demand he answer, as the first dude id be quite tired of this stuff. and do we really need to stall this transfer of power, while we occupy 2 countries, try to stop an escalading war in the middle east, fix the economic crisis, counter balance energy sectors, create jobs, secure our border's and combat health care the next bubble. that would be perfect to start out the new year, as world stocks and respect would crumple while america investigates the existence of a piece of paper. this process would damage america totally, as races will create a larger gap...funny how the first black president cant even get there after being elected, and thats they way things seem when the minorities now a "majority" get a glimpse at happiness, it must be challenged as closely as possible to keep them in their place, is it really worth it to challenge obama's birth right? no, because the u.s would never see another republican pres for a while as black and latinos would flood the democratic gates. denying barack obama now snatches hope that will cease to return to the american minorirty, this would give people reason not to care anymore. expect violence to go up.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
While much of wait you say is true, there has been a lot of crude thrown at him. However if he is not a natural born citizen or his citizenship was given up do we give him a pass just because it will cause problems? Ill admit I am not enthused about the rioting that would take place if he were proven to be a usurper but I am not sure that is a reason to break the constitution for him. Not to mention the problems it will cause if he is allowed to go unchallenged and be sworn in. Whenever he passes legislation it can be challenged, treaties would be invalid.... it is a can of worms much worse than the economy. Besides any other presidential hopeful that has been challenged had to show their proof, so are we saying that the race that is not supposed to be an issue is now and issue? In other words let him in because if not it is all because he is black? I would also say that Bush and Clinton both dealt with crude when they were presidents.
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
6 Jan 09
Vellibiz, are you saying that black's disappointments are answered with violence? That doesn't say too much for them. If it turned out that Obama is not a citizen and not qualified to be President, their anger should be at him and not the ones who challenged his citizenship. McCain had to prove his citizenship also. Obama isn't the only Presidential candidate to be put upon.
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• United States
3 Jan 09
This is because there is nothing to talk about. His birth certificate has been looked at by experts, it has been investigated, and even the supreme court (heavy right wing republican led) won't touch it. Face it: The election is over, and John McCain LOST. Case closed.
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@Bevsue (251)
• United States
3 Jan 09
His 'certificate of live birth' has been discounted by experts as a fraud.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
3 Jan 09
Take a minute to look at this site...that is if you really want a true technical analysis of the image of the document. These experts prove that it was legit in more ways than one. http://xenon.arcticus.com/barack-obama-birth-certificate-image-tampering-analysis
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• United States
3 Jan 09
The so-called "experts" that have been quoted in these court cases are nameless internet pseudonyms who have made claims about their expertise that cannot be verified. At least one of them took the image posted on the DailyKos website, altered it and then claimed that the fact he could alter it proved that it was a fake - and a whole bunch of ignoramuses who don't know how to read repeated the misinformation that he had "admitted to faking the birth certificate" into the echo chamber. On the other hand, legitimate experts who use their real names and have presented honest credentials - including some who have no reason to like Obama - have stated that the birth certificate posted on his web site is not a forgery, and shows no signs of having been altered. Barack Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii. That makes him a natural born citizen. Period, the end.
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• United States
2 Jan 09
There was controversy regarding McCain and Obamas birth certificate. I am of the opinion if there was anything to find between the media, the Clintons and McCain, it would have been found. The highest office in the land isnt any different....that doesnt mean he needs to show it to the media. There can be unity in this country...it has nothing to do with a birth certificate. If you believe that a birth certificate can keep this country from becoming unified you are part of the problem not the solution. We have a president...lets give the guy a chance.
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• United States
3 Jan 09
No one has any proof that this issue is settled. The constitution says it has everything to do with a birth certificate. The constitution says only a natural born citizen can be president. Now he wants to be an agent of change, then lets see the change. Be transparent with the American people and shut all this nonsense up, if it is nonsense. The thing is this is so easily put to rest, show the Supreme Court the certified copy of the birth certificate and the school records from when he was young. End of debate end of scandal and we can all move on.
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@opalina143 (1240)
• Morristown, New Jersey
3 Jan 09
Shewolf, what you are reading on the net from various people's posts isn't true. Obama released his birth certificate in September on his website. If you go there, you will see it. I would post the link but I'm not allowed. That is why no one is talking about it any more. There is and was only one lawsuit. It was thrown out when Obama made his birth certificate public. There is a great deal of misinformation floating around on the net. I suggest that you not believe what you read all the time in people's posts. Forwards especially are notoriously false. If you don't believe me, go to Obama's website. I actually printed out a copy of Obama's birth certificate (you can) to show my friend when he said what you are saying. These things you are reading can easily be proven false. If you want more information about this hoax (and yes, it is a hoax, along with the rumor that Obama wants to change our national anthem and the photoshopped picture of him holding a cell phone the wrong way) at snopes.
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@Bevsue (251)
• United States
3 Jan 09
You have almost all the facts wrong--including the picture which showed him holding a corded phone---not a cell phone.
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• United States
3 Jan 09
Actually there is a little information, news, that says a current lawsuit is still in progress. Not just post and I have had no forwards. The copy on his site, some say, has proven to be false. I dont know just stating what I have read about. Thank you for your comments.
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