What Is Your Definition Of A Good Friend?
By Darkwing
@Darkwing (21583)
January 2, 2009 9:03pm CST
Normally, I don't have a problem with this question. My take on a good friend is somebody who cares about you... loves you even... whatever happens, and will stand beside you through thick and thin. They will lend you a shoulder when you need one, make you laugh when you're sad, trust you, tell you the truth at all times, and be loyal to you, unconditionally.
So... what if a friend knows you're sensitive, but in order to tell you the truth, they have to squash your sensitivity until it weeps... hurt you? Is that your fault because you can't accept the truth, but you can't see why they feel this way? If you look inside yourself and think they might be right, then do you appreciate that they pointed out your faults to you, even if you feel they've betrayed you, for not saying so beforehand? When does a friendship go sour, and if it does, can you repair the damage, or is that the end of a relationship?
I tend to stand by my friends whatever happens. If they hurt my feelings, then maybe it's my fault. That, I have to ascertain, and deal with. But, if they doublecross you, lie to you and do you wrong, then I think that's time to end the friendship, even if it breaks your heart to do so. What is your take on this?
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@Darkwing (21583)
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3 Jan 09
Yes Gabs, I know. We're both sensitive and we both value our friends greatly. I have just got through telling Spark what a special person you are. I value your friendship and I'll always be there for you. I think you know that too.
Brightest Blessings, love and huggggggs and a big huggggggg for the li'l man! xx
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
3 Jan 09
Yup I feel like you freindship is unconditional.
stick by who ever through thik and thin and if there is something they see about you in the beginning they should tell ya then not wait till much much later .
Makes me sad to think that some one may have hurt you like this for I see you as a very good friend and am proud to have you as one!! hugs
When dont wrong and awful like that IT Is time to drop it.
as it woud never be the same on your part you would always have that feeling that you are being wonged and lied too.
Wrapping Eagle wings around you and big bigb hugsssssssssssssssss
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@Darkwing (21583)
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3 Jan 09
Yes, I think a real friend, if they saw a fault in you, should tell you early on so that you can decide whether they are right and you should do something about it, or walk your separate ways, if they're seeing something you don't agree with. Maybe they just do it to hurt, out of jealousy or envy, I don't know, but one thing's for sure, that they are not really a good friend if they feel you are not worthy of being one of theirs. Nobody is any better than the next man in my book, and we should all adjust to understand and trust each other.
Thank you for your caring words. You know how I feel about you, so I won't repeat it here, but instead, I'll thank you for the Eagle wings of strength and protection, which you've wrapped around me. You are a friend, indeed! Brightest Blessings, not only for a happiness and spiritual growth in 2009, but always. xx
@livewyre (2450)
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4 Jan 09
I don't have many requirements from friends but I would say very simply that a good friend is one who does not expect you to do more for them than they are prepared to do for you.
Friendship involves a bit of give and take, but no-one keeping the score... I don't mind giving more to a friend than they can offer in return, but I would only regard them as a good friend if they felt the same way....
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@Darkwing (21583)
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4 Jan 09
To my mind, that's very rational thinking, my friend. The ability to both give and take is a good balance, and vital in a good friendship, I feel. I also require a lot more though... honesty, integrity, and complete trust.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution.
@livewyre (2450)
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4 Jan 09
I thought I'd try to keep it brief...
I think honesty is implicit in any relationship,if you're not being honest with someone, you don't have a relationship at all.
I respond to commitment, I probably don't initiate friendships often, but I respond positively when I recognise the offer of true friendship. I guess because I feel I am reactive rather that the one initiating the friendship, then I don't have a tick list of requirements. I think I just accept relationships at whatever terms I feel they are offered. ie. some relationships are shallow and hopefully both parties recognise it... others go a little deeper, the secret is to know the difference.
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
3 Jan 09
Over the years I've had a couple of truly good friends but as time passed and the distance between us increased it was difficult to cultivate or continue the friendship. And a good one that is honest and loyal does indeed take time to develop.
Recent friendships I've begun have soon turned out to be false...either too flimsy or lacking in character. I'm pretty needy, but I also have a huge amount to give....no-one seems to want or need me or cares to get to know me. I think that must happen as we age.
I do not suffer fools or false people or dishonesty. I'm content to be with my animals but there are moments when I wish really hard for a true friend, just one who I can be me with and who wants my friendship in return.
@Darkwing (21583)
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3 Jan 09
This reminds me of the saying that there are different types of friends, those who come into your life for a reason, those who come into your life for a season, and those who come into your life and stay for a lifetime. There is a reason for everything, my friend, and it is up to us to sort out what the reason is.
*When someone is in your life for a REASON, it is usually to meet a need you have expressed outwardly or inwardly. They have come to assist you through a difficulty, to provide you with guidance and support, to aid you physically, emotionally, or spiritually.
When people come into your life for a SEASON, it is because your turn has come to share, grow, or learn. They may bring you an experience of peace, make you laugh, or teach you something you have never done. They usually give you an unbelievable amount of joy. Believe it! It is real! But, only for a season.
LIFETIME relationships teach you lifetime lessons; those things you must build upon in order to have a solid emotional foundation. Your job is to accept the lesson, love them (anyway); and put what you have learned to use in all other relationships and areas of your life. It is said that love is blind but friendship is clairvoyant.*
*Friends* taken from http://www.angelcrafts.net/lyn/friends.html
In your case, from my own perspective, you are a "lifetime" friend. As you say, you are pretty needy but you have a lot to give. I feel that quality in you, and I see you as a very honest, trustworthy and loyal friend. It's a pity we don't live closer together but obviously our need for one another is not important enough for our paths to actually cross, in the eyes of the powers that be. Animals can be better friends than humans sometimes so I feel that you're finding your teachings within them until finally, that lifetime friend walks into your life. I never stop making friends... life is too short to be alone and discontented, but it's true what the link says, I feel. Not all friendships are forever.
I feel sad when you say that nobody seems to want, need or care for you. I do... but there's a few little miles and a big pond between us, so the likelihood of our building a really strong friendship is low, but would you like a pen-friend? I'd love to keep in touch. Huggggggggggggs.
Thank you for your contribution... don't do yourself down... stand tall and look up at the Moon... you're a special person, in my eyes, and if nobody wants to accept you for that, then it's their loss. Brightest Blessings. xx
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@Darkwing (21583)
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4 Jan 09
Awwwww... that is such a lovely thing to say, my dear friend. That's going to get a place in my Book of Treasured Words. I keep this book and whenever somebody says something really special to me, be they a friend or acquaintance, I write it in my book. Then, when I get down on myself and need comforting, I'll sit quietly and open my book. It's an amazing therapy which brings the smile back to my face.
Thank you so much!!! Of course, you know that my feelings are very similar, don't you? I don't think I have to tell you, for I've told you before. You're a very special person, my friend and I too hope that our friendship will last for a very long time, if not for all time. xx
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@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
4 Jan 09
I have felt close to you for a while Darkwing. You are probably the most sincere and honest person I know and I know from your discussions what a good friend you are. In spite of the deep pond and the miles and continents between us I feel that we are friends on a certain level and that we will be for a long time. These days when I think of England I think of my friend Darkwing.
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@teapotmommommerced (10359)
• United States
3 Jan 09
the definition of a friend is someone who you call when you need to be bailed out out jail. A true friend is in jail with you. heehee.
I think a true friend will be there through thick and thin. I do not agree so much with pointing out the things that hurt you. I do not think they need to hurt you all the time. Some times I need a friend just to be on my side and listen to me even if they disagree with me.
I invested a large amount of money into a project that a friend of mine disagrees with. She made it clear that she thinks I should not be doing this business adventure. I brought it once and she gave me dirty looks when I was talking about the process we where going through.
I then sat down and we talked about it. I said I know you disagree with me. I know you think I am making the biggest mistake of my life but I feel it is not a mistake. I want you as a friend to be there to listen to me when I need or want to talk about the project. If I fail you can say "I told you so" but now I want to be have you my friend listen to me and be on my side."
That is what I am saying about not hurting you feeling. I know there are times when a friend has to say things that hurt but there are times when a friend has to know when to keep things to them selves and be on my side even if I am wrong.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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3 Jan 09
Now, I wouldn't have been hurt by that, because that's just your friend's opinion and she's looking out for you. However, when it comes down to the nitty gritty, you weigh up other people's opinions against your own, and make you own decision. If you fail, then you know you made a mistake, but she should encourage you in your final decision and help you in any way she can. That's what I would do anyway. I'd give my honest opinion, but if my friend decided that perhaps I was making a mountain out of a molehill and that she still wanted to go ahead with her project, then I'd muck in and help all I could. Encouragement is a great trait and honesty is another, so when all is said and done, your friend was only looking out for you.
I hope your project is a great success, by the way... not so that you can say, "I told you so", but so that you can have pride in the fact that you made a right decision, and grow with that. All the best!!! Thank you for your contribution, and Brightest Blessings, my friend. xx
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@teapotmommommerced (10359)
• United States
3 Jan 09
What I did not like what her negativity when I wanted to talk about the project. OK I know you disagree with me. Now I blazed my own trail now back me up please. SO far it is turning out OK. But time will tell.
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
3 Jan 09
Strangers can 'hurt' us and that makes us angry. Friends and loved ones can 'hurt' us, and that breaks our hearts. The power to hurt lies in our connection to the person. The stronger the connection, the greater the hurt. Love is a many layered thing. The love I have for family is different than the love I have for friends.
When my family hurts me, I get upset, and though I may not like them very much, the bond remains intact. When my friends hurt me, I have to evaluate the reason why.
Some friends are closer than others. So when a more tenuous connection is tested, I have to decide if the person has another agenda, or if it is just a part of who they are and I am reacting to new knowledge. Sometimes I feel I have to let the person 'go' and I do, but I don't carry a grudge. Just because things didn't work out between me and them, doesn't mean they aren't capable of being the 'best friend' of someone else. But when the connection with a friend of long standing is tested, I look to MYSELF for the reason why. That's how I learn, that's how I grow. I depend on my 'best friends' to keep me grounded, tell me off when I need it, and keep me focused on the important things and let the rest slide. It would take a LOT to convince me that those that I hold closest to my heart are not worthy of my friendship. I would stand by them no matter what. They would have to bring the blade to my heart to me face to face before I would let our friendship die. And to my mind, any 'friend' that can do me wrong based on someone else's words and not on the knowledge they have of me first hand, is not a friend at all but merely an opportunist with an agenda of their own.
That said, I have discovered a new avenue of friendship, and of course, that's the net. On forums like this, it's so easy to judge people based on what other's say.
Me personally --- I base my opinion of someone on observation of what they say to others, more often than on what they say to me. For example, I've known Gabs since the beginning of my time here. She owns my heart. I've known you Darkwing a much lesser time. But you and Gabs are friends - good friends. I've observed your treatment of her for quite some time, and though you and I didn't seem to have lot in common back then, I made friends with you, because I could see in your words; your loving heart, your interests, and your loyalty. Definitely someone I wanted to know better and value. Besides...............if Gabs loves you, then you MUST be alright! lol
It sounds to me Darkwing, like you've been hurt recently? Perhaps not, I hope not, but this subject is rather a deep one.................
Hugs.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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12 Jan 09
It appears you wrote that before you began to research your roots and step onto a new spiritual path my friend. Had I read the response before answering your query on same in the Den, I would have known that you were already pondering the step, and for a while now, it would seem.
Brightest Blessings to you, on your new journey. xx
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@Darkwing (21583)
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3 Jan 09
A great response my friend. Let me start with Gabs. She's a lovely lady without a bad bone in her body... she loves everybody, not just me. It was like we'd known each other forever when we met face to face for the first time, and I know she treats all of her friends with equal respect. I don't think I deserve any more love from her than all the others whose hearts she's touched. She deserves as much love as is put her way... such is the measure of the lady's goodness. Thank you for your kind words though... I appreciate them very much. You and I seemed to hit it off right from the start, I must admit, and I value your opinion.
I don't carry grudges... like you, I would rather walk away and let the person get on with their life. I'm sensitive... very, and when I get hurt, I too look inside myself to see if I can change anything. But heck! Why should we change ourselves for a "friend", if we like the way we are. I'm not short of friends, and I feel that if any number of them don't respect who you are, then they don't fit into your life, do they? However, it does upset me to part with a friend, especially one with whom I've spent a lot of time. As you say though, you have to put the negatives behind you and grow, in spirit.
Brightest Blessings and thank you, my friend, for your contribution. x
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
4 Jan 09
You're welcome. Gabs has taught me much about the meaning of friendship and the nature of a loving heart, and it has brought many shining souls into my life.
I don't believe either in changing myself because of someone else's perception of who I should be, but when that perception affects my life, I must look into myself to find the reason that shapes that perception. Sometimes, I then have to admit that yes, the reason is valid, and I do something about it. But that is growth.
None of us are born perfect, and personal growth is life long journey. We can learn from our 'enemies' as well as our friends............
Bright Blessings in this new year to you to Darkwing.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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3 Jan 09
Yes, Balasri... I like that saying. I never thought of the phrase "believes in you". I think that's a great phrase which sums up all the qualities of a friendship... love, trust, honesty and caring.
Thank you for your contribution, my friend, and Brightest Blessings.
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
5 Jan 09
I like your definition of friendship, I am not sure a friend should make you cry, they should definitely tell the truth,
how do you know when there a relationship has gone bad? When their is no more respect between either both friends for each other or one friend for the other.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
7 Jan 09
If a person knowingly lied about me they are no friend of mine and would be cut off, if they lied but honesty thought they were telling the truth, I would tell them to check with me first before talking about matters that they do not truly know about, if they did it again, they would love my respect and depending upon what was said, for example something vicious I would get rid of them but something like for example, I don't know, telling someone one I don't have a masters in psychology when I do, it could be a misunderstanding because I was in a different masters program and I changed over, so no I don't have a master in that program, but I do in psychology so that could be an honest mistake, but if they kept doing that without checking with me, I would be very careful of what I tell them,
I learned long ago never tell most people what you would not want published in the local newspaper because it all comes out.
@Darkwing (21583)
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6 Jan 09
Thank you, Rose. No, I didn't mean they "make" each other cry but rather that you cry in sympathy and understand what's upsetting them. You'll usually find your mood changes alongside a good friend's mood... if they're happy, you're happy and if they're sad, you're sad... reminds me of a Barry Manilow song.. lol.
I think if a good friend loses respect for you, for whatever reason, they will confront you with it, because they're honest with you and always have been. From then, they will make their decision as to whether the relationship has gone bad, based on your reaction, I would think. For instance, you mentioned your agreement with honesty... what if you found a good friend out in a lie, or perhaps disclosing a secret of yours to another friend... wouldn't you ask them why they did it? Then if they denied, or lied again, or even just gave you a non-caring "don't know", you would know then that it was time to move on... or I would.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution.
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@whyaskq (7523)
• Singapore
7 Jan 09
I agree with your definition of a friend. I too have a close friend whom I cold-heartedly tell him the truth. I believe as a friend, we have to be truthful and sincere. He felt hurt and return a very harsh last sentence. It takes a lot of effort for both of us to face up to reality and we are better friends after that. However, the shadow is there. I think twice now when I feel like telling the truth, nothing but the truth.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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13 Jan 09
I tend to feel more relaxed in telling the truth to my friends because I know they trust my word, as I trust them. You get to know each other inside out and I think it's important to discuss both things that irk you and things that make you happy. That way, you both know exactly where you stand and that the support and respect is there, within the friendship.
Brightest Blessings my friend and thank you for your contribution.
@Darkwing (21583)
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3 Jan 09
A perfect description, my friend. I particularly like the part where you say, "the one who points out your shortcomings but also helps you to overcome them." That's "respect"... respect for your ability to make your own decisions, but encourage you when you make them, even if it doesn't comply with their own thoughts. They will support you in whichever way they can.
Good point, my friend... thank you for your contribution, and Brightest Blessings. x
@Kashmeresmycat (6369)
• United States
7 Jan 09
Good Morning Darkwing...I know, I know. I will get over there I promise and I'm sure you know what I'm talking about. Go ahead and yell, I deserve it.
The time just flies by so fast, and I've had quite a few problems over the past few weeks. I just don't like to whine about everything, haha.
Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree with you on all your above statements, and wish I could put discussions together the way you do. They're always so perfectly written and completely understandable.
I did have one friend of eight years, kind of stick me in the back a couple of times at work at my last job. She was going through some trying times and to make a long story short, I just sort of pushed it into the back of my mind, and forgave.
We're still real good friends and things have straightened out since then. This is one time I'm really happy I didn't just end the friendship. We are very different people but we did pull together, and it took actually a third party friend to help smooth out the differences. I just didn't want to give this one up after all that time. It's actually a very long story but I made it short for you, haha. Take care xxxooo.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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13 Jan 09
I know where you're coming from, my friend. It's difficult not to try to hold onto a friendship that you've treasured for many years. In fact, it's almost impossible, but there comes a time when you've forgiven enough when they repeatedly break your trust, or put you down.
I was pleased to see you over "there" the other night. It'll take time for you to get to know the site well, but take your time, and look around some. There are some very interesting groups, blogs and discussions in there now... it's building up very nicely.
I hope you're managing to bring the light into your life again... please keep me up to date... I care! Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution. xx
@zigzagbuddha (4601)
• United States
15 Jan 09
Hmmmm, sounds like you've got a pretty rigorous list of dos and don'ts for your friends!
I don't have many friends myself, they are waaay to much work, and I am very self-centered... I like to do what I want when I want to do it and I do not answer to anybody but myself. Additionally, I have opinions and experiences that would horrify most of the humans on this planet and when you cannot speak openly with someone then that is not a friend.
Nobody has the power to hurt your feelings, you are the only one who has the power to decide how you want to feel. And I have to wonder about calling someone a friend who lies to you, double-crosses you, and 'does you wrong'! Hehehehe, that is definitely not on MY list of desirable traits for a friend to have!
Honesty would definitely be on my list, so would a sense of adventure, a sense of humor, and a very light heart. They would need to be exceptionally independent and not emotionally needy. I would want them to have a generous, open nature and to be ready for anything. And above all they should be able to mind their own business and leave me to mine, because when it comes right down to it we are all on our own.
I guess I am pretty unapproachable really, but that suits me just fine.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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23 Jan 09
To my mind, a real friend will allow you to do what you want and when you want to do it, but if you're that self-centred, then I doubt you will have friends because it's a matter of give and take, not all take. You must also allow them to do what they want, when they want to do it.
The strange thing is, although you've said all that, you've listed what your qualities would be in a friend and their very similar to everybody else's. We all need space from time to time to deal with deeper emotions, but a problem shared is a problem halved when you have a friend you can rely on.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution.
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@AnnieOakley1 (5596)
• Canada
4 Feb 09
I agree with ya for sure with the first paragraph.
But I'm not completely clear on the 2nd one when you say, "in order to tell you the truth, they have to squash your sensitivity until it weeps" and "If you look inside yourself and think they might be right, then do you appreciate that they pointed out your faults to you, even if you feel they've betrayed you, for not saying so beforehand?"
And yes, if they doublecross, lie and do me wrong, then, yeah, it is time for ME to move on to people that won't be that cruel to me. I have a big issue with lying.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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4 Feb 09
Lol... I suppose I did put that second paragraph in a sort of roundabout way. What I was trying to say in a more shortened version was, friends don't always see you as you see yourself. You try your best in life to be a decent, caring person, and treat everybody else with the fairness they deserve. Then one day, somebody who's been your friend for a while gives you an opinion of yourself that you can't see yourself, and can't accept that you've even acted this way. It hurts, because you've spent a lifetime trying to become somebody that not only you can love but whom everybody else can love. Still with me?
On looking inside yourself, you find that ok, they just might be right, or at least you give them the benefit of the doubt. So, do you feel you should change this area of your Self, and forgive this person for not having told you long before, or do you feel that you shouldn't have to change for anybody, regardless of how they view you, and walk away from the negativity they have?
I'll bet you're more confused now than you were before, lol. Sorry... I'm not very good at putting feelings into words at the moment. Thank you for the friends request, which I have just accepted, and for your contribution to this discussion.
Brightest Blessings.
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@AnnieOakley1 (5596)
• Canada
5 Feb 09
It may not have been you who was abstract. As I am told I can be a bit daft at times. I do not read between the lines well. I am a proof person. BUT, I always like to ask for clarification. I do not assume. It only seems to cause problems.
No, I get it now. Thanks so much being patient enough to take the time to explain it to me. I appreciate it.
I kinda just had that happen with a relatively new friend just lately, as a matter of fact. I am just wrestling with that same type of dilemma myself. I'm trying to decide whether to walk away or not.
But I still do not believe that they are correct. I trust in what I feel about myself and I have checked with others to make sure. It is not me, it is them that is having the problems. Actually, most of the problem is caused by their own assumptions, not facts. I believe that their assumptions about me are incorrect.
I gave them the benefit of the doubt for the time being to see how things will play out. So, for now we are continuing the friendship.
@AnnieOakley1 (5596)
• Canada
5 Feb 09
But I think they should have been honest with you all along. It really isn't nice if someone thinks badly of you, in some way, but never tells you. Just carries on as if everything is ok. IF they are a long, close and TRUSTED friend, they SHOULD have told you. I know I would.
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@rainbowbrains (44)
• Canada
3 Jan 09
Someone who understands you, even when you don't lol.
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@littleowl (7157)
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4 Jan 09
Hello Darkwing..I totally agree with you in everything you with have just said so need say no more, even if it meant breaking the friendship...hugs littleowl
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@Darkwing (21583)
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4 Jan 09
Hi Littleowl! I did miss a couple of quite meaningful words, but these have been brought to my attention by those who responded... like "sharing" and "believing in one another". I suppose they're embraced within some of the other words used, but on the whole, I think most people have a similar view of what a good friendship is.
I don't really agree on the "breaking" part. I find it very difficult to break with a friend I have known for a long time, and been through a lot with... good and bad. I tend to value a long-standing friendship/relationship too highly to be able to walk away from it. But, each of us is different, I guess, and know how to conduct our own lives and friendships.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution. xx
@gitfiddleplayer (10362)
• United States
3 Jan 09
Friends are hard to come by, great friends are only once in a while. A good friend is what you described, they know you so when they speak the truth you should know they are doing for your benefit if they think you are going off track. I've got one good friend at work at a great friend whom we've been through a lot of stuff together.
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@madhu_yl (116)
• India
3 Jan 09
Hi darkwing thanks for give good topic.in my opinion good friend looks out for you,inspires you,laughs with you,cries with you,understands you,guides you,walk with you.these are follow a good friend.i'm tell one important thing is
"Good Friends are hard to find, harder to leave, and impossible to forget".
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@rhtjuneja (37)
• India
3 Jan 09
acc. to me a friend in need is a frnd indeed.........this is my theory.....i have a ton of frnds but not all dem defines the true meaning of a frnd.just greedy frnds.once i had a fight wid sumone.....all of ma frnds stoof back and only 2-3 stood wid me to fight and protected me ......dats the true frnd
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@titeskalai (1)
• India
3 Jan 09
Good Friend [DO(O)G DNEIRF] first form the words reverse order and then read it.
Good friends jst like fire and not a flame ok. it should help to make or built good way .
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@costas1234 (195)
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3 Jan 09
A good friend is someone that will be there for you when things go well as well as when times are not so great. Though in most cases people can make loads of friends when times are great from receiving good monthly income, though when it is not so good then these so called 'friends' are no where no longer to be seen.
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@Darkwing (21583)
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3 Jan 09
That's exactly when you find out who your real friends are... when you're down and out. A true friend will offer you their hand to pull you out of the mire. They will laugh with you as well as cry with you, and stand by you always.
Brightest Blessings and thank you for your contribution.