Which encourages better learning, understanding and relationships?
By FayeSLongo
@FayeSLongo (306)
United States
January 7, 2009 8:09am CST
I was talking about this with my mother last night and I can't stop wondering about it.
I'm wondering if you believe that children learn better through strict discipline and routine or creative play? Do they learn more from using their imaginations and creativity or their logic and straight up "common" sense?I believe that children learn better through creative exploration where they get to play, have fun, and imagine! Even characteristically serious or boring subjects can be and are even better learned through these subjects - I think.
I also feel that allowing your child to express him/herself creatively will encourage a closer, more fulfilling, and accepting relationship between child and parent, teacher, or friend.
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14 responses
@futuremba (97)
• India
7 Jan 09
ocording to me understanding is more easy way for, encourages ,if u would understand well,so u would be having desire to know more about that particular thing ,u will be able to rise the question
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@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
8 Jan 09
That is a very good point as well. Being able to have an understanding of something is very important too, you really can't get anywhere with an idea if you don't understand it.
Thanks for responding =)
@jstaubin (423)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I believe that you have to find the happy balance between discipline and creative play. It is important for a child to learn right from wrong but it is just as important for them to learn who they are. When it comes to actual learning I have found that a more creative way of learning can do more for a child then the normal reaidng it in a book or getting lectures on it. For example I am dyslexic and found it hard to learn anything buy just reading it or hearing it from my teachers. But when I took it home and added my own little song or other creative way to it I did much better, the same has been true for my son as well.
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@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
8 Jan 09
That is a WONDERFUL example, thanks you so much for sharing your experience. I agree, there has got to be a balance and some students will need more of something than others and that should be taken into account whenever possible.
@angelface23 (2494)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I think they learn better through creative play as well. My husband is all about the strict discipline but even I learn better through being creative. Like instead of just plain reading for a test I would make flash cards or make a game out of it. Same concept, I think a child can carry that through their whole life. But I also don't have a lot of common sense. I heard once that you are book smart you have no common sense and vice versa. I suppose some kids would learn better through discipline maybe. Everyone's different.
@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
8 Jan 09
Everyone is different and I think that is what makes this topic so hard sometimes. I think it is nice that your children get a little of both, strictness from your husband and creative freedom and expression from you.
About the common sense thing; I too have heard that expression and I believed it about myself for a long time. But now I see that it just took me a little longer than other people to cultivate my common sense, like it took them longer to gain the kind of knowledge I had caught right onto. And I don't care what anyone says common sense is not worth more than book smarts or vice verse, they are both valuable and they are both needed.
I'm sure you have plenty of common sense and you are book smart too - sounds to me like your husband is a lucky man!
@ersmommy1 (12588)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I think it is a mixture of both. Creative play has been shown to do wonders for the learning process. I have a 5 year old daughter. She does amazing things with her imaginative play. The things she can recall and do at this age is amazing. I believe also though that kids need a certain measure of routine and discipline.
It teaches that there are limits in everything. That there are rules that need to be followed. The trick is finding the right balance of both techniques.
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@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
8 Jan 09
I agree!
The largest hurdle I've faced in my son's education (he's also five) is finding that balance you spoke of. It can be very difficult for kids and it is constantly shifting, but I keep trying and really thats what counts - well at least thats what I tell myself so i dont feel like a complete failure =)
@Sillychick (3275)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I am a firm believer in allowing children the freedom to be creative, explore and discover things on their own. It is the best way for them to learn most things, including taking initiative, cause and effect and math skills, provided an adult helps guide them from time to time and provides materials and experiences that allow children to experiment with a wide variety of concepts.
That said, routine and discipline do have their place. Children are most comfortable when they know what to expect. That is where routines come in. They also need to learn skills like waiting for a turn and self control. That is where the discipline comes in.
Ideally, a child's day should be a combination of structured, adult- directed activity and unstructured, child- directed activity. This type of balance will provide children with opportunities to learn all of the things they need to be successful.
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@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I agree completely! My son has regular daily routines built into his day as well as time for free play and discovery. if he asks me about something he discovers we always research it together on the computer or at the library. I've found that doing that really brings his imagination alive and gets him excited about learning.
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@bamakelly (5191)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I think that you pose a good question to ponder. I kind of feel as a mother of a five year old that some of the methods you mentioned can work every now and again.
I think that strict discipline can help a child tolerate routine a little better. Of course I don't believe in being very harsh toward my son. I would rather try to work things out through talking with him.
The idea of creativity is also another method in which I feel seems to work. Children that are also left to learn things and be independent can make for great educational future.
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@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I agree with you that a little of everything is needed for a child to really succeed, and I feel that every child is different some may need more of one thing than another.
It is very important for a child to learn how to play on his/her own. It encourages independence - as you pointed out but it also encourages use of imagination and creativity.
Thanks for responding!
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
8 Jan 09
This is a good discussion, Faye and I agree with you there. Children can grow from this creative interactivities and lean faster through games and unconventional study procedure instead of methodical square and circle kind of education.
Thanks.
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@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
8 Jan 09
I notice with my son that he has a much better time and retains more information when he's allowed some breathing room, when I let him explore, ask questions, experiment with ideas, and imagine. It really is just wonderful to witness too.
@Mitraa (3184)
• India
8 Jan 09
In my opinion, creativity is the mother of learning. We learn many things only because we want to create something with them. But all these must be guided by real discipline as wel as a definite routine. Another thing that we all must keep in mind always that making the task a burden is not at all advisable. This reduces creativity as well as understanding for the task!
In case of children, they learn more through play, freedom and fun. Of course, a little care for discipline and routine must be followed for them to deveop punctuality as well as sense of responsibility in them. Above all, good understanding promotes good relationship and this in turn promotes for good learning irrespective of age and educational level!
Thanks for this nice topic and have a good day!
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@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
8 Jan 09
I agree completely! That's why I feel it is important to have clear boundaries but to let kids define how they experience what's going on inside those boundaries!
What you wrote about not making a task burdensome is also right on and I would even add that that should be a rule of thumb for kids AND adults! Of course we can't always do that; at times there are things we all have to do that aren't fun but giving a lot of praise and support is always helpful, even if we're giving it to ourselves =)
@sunshinelady (7609)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I do think that allowing a child to be creative is the best way for a child to learn. I call it play learning. They have such enjoyment and get so much out of playing that it is a good way to teach a child. I think learning should be fun because if it isn't a child will get tired of the learning quickly. I do think that a moderate amount of discipline is fine but not strict.
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@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
8 Jan 09
You put that very well. I love your phrase "play-learning" that is a great concept! There are so many ways of doing that too. Like, my son and I walk to the bus every morning and on our way we look at the trees, the dirt, the stream that runs down the hill and I'll point things out to him; I'll ask him what he thinks will happen if we throw a big rock in the stream, what happens when we throw a small one, and what happens of we throw both at the same time? Or what's living in that web a spider or is it a tent caterpillar? How many different colored leaves can you find, what is the name of the plant, tree, or shrub? We have contests and all the while he is learning. If I see that he has a genuine interest in something we'll learn more about when he gets home from school, we look on the computer, in books, we find pictures to color, or we make a habitat or whatever. We get to spend quality time together, we are bonding, having fun, and learning all at once!
@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
7 Jan 09
That is an excellent question. I am a primary school teacher and a parent of 2 boys. I suggest that creating clear but reasonable boundaries to begin with is really important. Exploration is important in a child's education. Children should be given exciting things to do like messing around with play dough to develop fine motor skills. With good quality picture books children hopefully get interested in learning to read. He or she will listen to stories and in doing so develop their imagination. Funnily enough less able children can be amazing with poetry after blowing bubbles in the playground. A parent should have a caring attitude and explain with reasoning appropriate to the child's age any rules. Children could have targets and then a reward when they reach their goal. Creative activities are so important for young minds. A child should feel comfortable and cared for in a rich learning environment.
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@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
7 Jan 09
Wonderful response! Thanks so much for contributing. Yes, having clear boundaries to begin with would be very important and it would help everyone to have a better time. The child(ren) know what is expected of them and the parents or teachers, etc don't have to spend all their time being the authoritarian, we can engage one on one with what our kids are doing!
I allow for much more creativity than discipline and as my son gets older I can see how clear boundaries and consistency with those really are necessary. We really can't enjoy each other without those things in place.
Thanks so much for your input and happy mylotting =)
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@silverjam (969)
• United States
7 Jan 09
I am not a parent yet but I guess i agree w/ what you were stating. However, let it be clear that "strict" discipline doesn't mean literally punishment or very strict and unattainable roles and expectations.
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@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
8 Jan 09
silverjam you may not have children but you bring up a VERY important point. An adults' expectations must NEVER exceed a child's abilities, that is a horrible situation which will only and always end in failure. It is good to challenge kids but not to set expectations that are so high they cannot be reached.
@DoriLentrich (1016)
• United States
8 Jan 09
I think you need a combination of the two. Traditionally, education followed the disciplined approached and now we are seeing a trend towards the more creative approach. Here's the problem, (in the U.S.) education levels are dropping at astronomical levels. Could this be because of the departure from the disciplined approach? I think it does have something to do with it.
Unfortunately, a lot of knowledge is rote. You have to memorize boring, dry, facts. If you don't do that, you won't have the tools to employ your creativity to solve future problems. However, stifling a child's innate sense of exploration will also cause their learning to stagnate. They'll be good at reciting things, but not applying them. If you want people to be well-rounded, you want both.
So, being creative in how you get kids to memorize their multiplication tables, making it a game or trying to bring some fun to it, is great. But, they have to memorize them. End of story. Learning is a process, you build on what has been learned before. If the structure isn't there then there is a greater likelihood that children will skip important steps and create gaps in their own education. In the end, that will hurt everyone.
@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
8 Jan 09
I agree that there needs to be a balance between boundaries and freedom, expectations and explorations. The educational system in the US is deteriorating (as I stated earlier) but I don't think it has all that much to do with there not being enough discipline in schools. I think it has to do with a number of things; budget cuts, loss of art, music, and physical education programs, more single parents raising kids on their own with almost ZERO support from their schools, communities, or states, the economy, the list goes on and on. However I can't imagine the allowance of creativity in schools barring learning in any manner, not even in a small way. But that may be my own bias you know.
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@DoriLentrich (1016)
• United States
10 Jan 09
I've noticed a trend as teaching moves away from the rote learning of yesterday to make the rules of learning more fluid. As an example (this is higher education), there are English professors who refuse to correct grammar and spelling in papers because they feel the rules of the English language are oppressive. They also won't teach those same rules to their students. I find that a hamper to education. Rules inhibit creativity in the beginning, but learning to work within rules is creative in and of itself. Creativity and Imagination need to be fostered, but without the framework they lead to reinventing the wheel over and over again.
I agree that the things you mentioned have contributed to the sliding of our school systems, but I also think that you cannot ignore the impact what is happening in the classroom is having as well.
@grandpa_lash (5225)
• Australia
8 Jan 09
I think it has to be both. I grew up with rote learning, and boring as it was, I will never have problems with simple mathematics or spelling.
But that system, unless through exceptional teachers, allowed little creative room. For that we have to wait for university. My partner is trained as a teacher, and she says that primary school teaches basic skills, high shool teachs social norms, and university teaches you how to think and research. Of the three, only tertiary has the potential for creativity.
We need that rote learning (discipline) at an early stage to set the knowledge, and we need to learn the social skills and social norms so that we can make a choice about conforming or deviating from the norm, and we need the ability to think for ourselves and do our own research. I would like to see a combination of all three right from the start, but first you have to train the teachers at those three levels how to teach that way, which isn't easy, because they have been taught the old way.
I have worked in so-called "free schools", and while those kids learned a lot of things other kids didn't, they missed out on a lot of basic skills. Combinig an element of that freedom with rote teavhing might well work.
Lash
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@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
8 Jan 09
grandpa_lash you never cease to amaze me =) That is just a wonderful concept and a wonderful idea! I really never looked at it like that but thinking back on my education you are absolutely right.
See I did really well in school until about middle school. I felt like I was being pushed to do everything a certain way and I really needed to do it my own way. I figured it shouldn't make a difference as long as my way had the same outcome but that wasn't the case. I think that a lot of kids would get a lot further in school and get much more out of it if there were a little "combining" as you put it. But again that would be an immense task and unfortunately the education of our children and the school systems just continues deteriorating. For now I'm just happy that teachers, schools and parents do their best =)
@sunny0806 (248)
• China
8 Jan 09
I agree with you mostly. I hope my son can learn in a happy and creative way. But in fact most children are not self-command and sometimes our experiences really are helpful to them. So I hope most time he can learn by himself and occasionally I'll direct him which may be conflict with him.
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@FayeSLongo (306)
• United States
8 Jan 09
I think I see what you mean. You're saying that for the most part you would like for your son to be able to find his own unique path, but you are always there in case he ever gets stuck or confused. I really like that and I think I parent in a similar manner. I try to set clear boundaries for my son but I let him explore and discover within those boundaries all on his own. That way I know he's safe and he still gets to have control over what he's learning and experiencing.