Why do Democrats blindly support their party?
By Taskr36
@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
January 12, 2009 11:44am CST
It really concerns me that democrats seem willing to support any politician with a D next to his name, and NEVER question those they elect. I started a thread last week about Obama hiring several lobbyists despite his promise not to and not a single democrat responded. Democrats overwhelmingly supported Al Franken in Minnesota despite the fact that he degrades women and actively makes jokes about helping al Quaeda kill the president. Can anyone, preferably democrats, help me understand why this is ok for you?
Another theme I've noticed is that when democrats can't defend their candidate, they ignore the indefensible actions. They would never criticize a democrat for breaking promises or even breaking the law unless the leaders in the senate do it first, i.e. Blagojevich. People like Barnie Frank, Charlie Rengel, Al Franken, and the like are given a free pass by democrats.
16 responses
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Not all democrats support everyone in the Democrats Party. The ones who do are just copying all the Republicans who vilify the Democrats.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
12 Jan 09
I must respectfully disagree Taskr, Republicans are every bit as guilty of this as Democrats are! I'm not going to list every one of them but there are just as many Republicans who have either blatantly broken the law or who have been involved in very questionable activities and have still gotten reelected time after time. Just because everyone who supported Obama isn't going crazy because of a perceived broken promise doesn't mean they are willing to support everything he or anyone else does as long as they have a D next to their names. The truth is in my case I'm satisfied with the picks Obama has made. Tom Daschle is not an actual lobbyist and he's certainly never lobbied for anyone who goes against the interest of the public like Phil Gramm. I'm not sure what you mean about Al Franken "actively" making jokes about helping al Qaeda kill the President but while I've said many times I don't approve of that kind of "humor" at all he was a comedian for years. I don't think he's been telling jokes like that on the campaign trail, has he? I've seen Franken on many shows through the years and I've seen him as a comedian and nothing else and I've seen him speaking as a political candidate and in that role he's a different person. He's still humorous and witty, that's what he is, but he certainly doesn't make jokes about killing anyone!
I know you don't believe me when I say this but to me it's really not about the party but about the person and where they stand on the issues. It just so happens that I disagree with the GOP platform nearly 100% so obviously I'm not likely to support anyone who strictly tows that party line.
Annie
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
12 Jan 09
"Just because everyone who supported Obama isn't going crazy because of a perceived broken promise doesn't mean they are willing to support everything he or anyone else does as long as they have a D next to their names. "
Perceived broken promise? Are you implying that in your "perception" he didn't promise not to hire lobbyists, or do you not "perceive" William Lynn, a vice president and lobbyist for one of the country's biggest defense contractors, to be a lobbyist? I'll let you off with the Tom Daschle bit since he's not a "registered" lobbyist, only his wife is.
"I'm not sure what you mean about Al Franken "actively" making jokes about helping al Qaeda kill the President but while I've said many times I don't approve of that kind of "humor" at all he was a comedian for years."
Really? And how many other comedians make jokes about helping al Quaeda kill the president? I mean, comedians LOVE to bash Bush, it's their job, but they don't make jokes about helping terrorists kill him.
Annie, you acted as though Sarah Palin was insulting people when she called small towns "real America" and yet you genuinely don't seem to think that Al Franken's behavior is any reason not to vote for him.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
12 Jan 09
"Perceived broken promise? Are you implying that in your "perception" he didn't promise not to hire lobbyists, or do you not "perceive" William Lynn, a vice president and lobbyist for one of the country's biggest defense contractors, to be a lobbyist?"
First of all, he had backed off a bit from the "no lobbyists in my Administration" promise long before the election, possibly because he knew that would be a very difficult promise to keep depending on how technical one may be. I forget the exact words used right now so I'm not going to give you a direct quote so I don't screw it up. It was something to the effect of no having anyone work for him on something related to any lobbying work they have done within two years - SOMETHING like that. As for William Lynn, they've conceded that was an "exception" to their rule. For now, I WILL give him a pass on this but I could change my mind.
"Really? And how many other comedians make jokes about helping al Quaeda kill the president? I mean, comedians LOVE to bash Bush, it's their job, but they don't make jokes about helping terrorists kill him."
I don't know if anyone else has made that type of joke, I don't watch too many comic acts these days. SNL certainly has done their share of "tasteless" humor but that doesn't mean it reflects the writers or the comedians personal views.
"Annie, you acted as though Sarah Palin was insulting people when she called small towns "real America" and yet you genuinely don't seem to think that Al Franken's behavior is any reason not to vote for him."
Palin WAS insulting people from any place that didn't support her party. I live in a small town yet I'm not part of her real American. Al Franken has never insulted an entire group of people that I know of. Anyway, he's not in my state so I didn't have to decide whether to vote for him or not.
Annie
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
21 Jan 09
Wasn't there a very high-profile Republican who wrote a very sexually graphic "romance novel" a few years back? (This is a serious question, I seem to remember this but I can't remember who it was!) Anyway, the thing about Franken is he's going to be one of 100 Senators while Sarah Palin wanted to be V.P. of the entire United States and probably wants to be President one day. That fact remains even if I did believe whatever was in that GOP publication you posted. Are you really trying to say that when Palin spoke of the "real America" that wasn't implying some parts of American aren't so real? Are you saying I'm wrong to think that? To me it was perfectly clear. Red States - real, "Country First", patriotic; Blue States - not so much.
Annie
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
13 Jan 09
funny how I noticed republicans do exactly the same thing,
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
13 Jan 09
only in the second term when republicans got fed up with the war, in the first term they were for bush all the way, or do you forget how they told anyone who did not agree with what bush was doing was anti american.
even in the second term there are still 30 percent republicans who will defend him to the bitter end, check it out on the net it is all there.
fair is fair it seems you just want to blame democrats well I am not from your country I do not have a vested interest in either republicans or democrats but I have seen it on both sides,
the slogan was if you are not with us you are against us, bush made that popular, and every one hated hollywood because most of the outspoken people were democrat.
And before you tell me that you are not blaming if you are not willing to look at the whole term of bush from beginning to end, and what he did good for the country and what he did bad for the country than you are very biased in your point of view.
I lived through all end years and quit many groups because the republicans just would not concede that their president was capable of doing anything wrong,
newsflash, any president can do wrong they are only human,
the system of democracy is based on the whole premise that there is a watch dog, to find these wrongs, and pointed them out, and it doesn't matter if you are republican or democrat if something is wrong it is wrong.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Jan 09
But, the facts don't support your belief. Republics have challenged Bush consistently and his approval ratings show that republicans are not blind to his failings. The same happened under George H.W. Bush where many chose to vote for Ross Perot rather than simply vote along party lines. It was republicans NOT blindly following their party that got Clinton elected.
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@Bd200789 (2994)
• United States
12 Jan 09
I didn't see your thread about Obama hiring lobbyists, or I would have responded to it. I supported him, and I don't like how he's broken so many of his promises. For example, he was supposed to discontinue Bush's tax cuts for the rich, and he's now planning to add more tax cuts! He was at odds with Clinton on nearly every issue during the campaign, and now she's his Secretary of State? I don't understand it at all. I don't support politicians based on their party. I support the ones I think will do the best job.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Thank you very much for your response. It's refreshing to hear that not everyone is blindly supporting everything he does. Obviously every president has broken promises. I'm not expecting his supporters to burn him at the stake for it. I just expect people to hold him accountable and acknowledge that so far, he has broken promises.
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@powermannx (450)
• United States
12 Jan 09
I am a bit confused about your presumption and view on Democrats, this country was managed by a republican president and Republicans that have never had the working class people best interest at hand. There is no discussion or concern about this - let President Obama get to work so that this country can get moving in the right direction.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Bush gave significant tax cuts to working Americans like myself. I know you're probably one of those people who buy the lies that only rich people got tax cuts, but that's just not the case. Obama wants to give tax cuts to people who don't even pay taxes which is effectively wealth redistribution. That, however, is not the topic of this discussion.
Republicans have questioned Bush's actions repeatedly over the last 8 years and especially over the last 4. You don't get a 22% approval rating if your entire party blindly supports you.
If by "let Obama get to work" you mean "ignore his lies and broken promises", I'm going to have to say "No". I'm going to hold him to his promises the same way I do every politician, REGARDLESS OF PARTY AFFILIATION, whether I vote for them or not.
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@ClassyCat (1214)
• United States
13 Jan 09
It won't be very lomg. and the honeymoon between
the newly elected president and the people and
the media,will end - and then it will more than
likely become not only testy - but informative
in many areas as well.
Personally - I'm more concerned about the free-fall
of our judicial system in America.
State Supreme Court Justices, shouldn't be 'set for life,'
in their positions. And another thing - I don't know if it
is the same where you live, but when we have voting for
local and county judges here - - there's NO information put
out for the public to check out, and with most not knowing
anything about the current judges - - they are re-seated
again, and again.
The next 4 years will certainly be interesting to watch. That's
for sure.
It sure would be great if our politicians would really look
into the extreme struggles people have, that are very poor.
Many, many seniors try to "survive" on less than $9,000.00 a year.
And S.S.I. is a disgrace to the poor and disabled!!!
People who are disabled, and seniors should be able to at
least have some form of enjoyment when their working days
are over.
Isn't it sad, that so many have had to GO BACK TO WORK TO
SURVIVE? 'Nuff said.
C. C.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
12 Jan 09
It does happen on both sides, but it is clearly worse on the left side of politics. John McCain for example was regularly criticized by other republicans for compromising too often, for supporting the bailout, etc. There were a few threads during the election asking what issues people disagreed with their candidates on and ONLY republicans responded.
What you seem to be describing when you compare religion to politics is outlooks and beliefs. In that I agree with you, but I'm speaking about blind support of specific politicians and willful ignorance or their negative aspects.
@murderistic (2278)
• United States
12 Jan 09
Banadux is right, and you are blind if you think that it's not on both sides. If you are speaking of the presidential election, that is not ALL democrats, that is two democrats and two republicans, and I admit there was very little critique on the Democratic side during the campaign and much more on the republican side, but that is surely an anomaly. The fact of the matter is that both democrats and republicans will blindly support their party unless there is obvious corruption or impotence. That's the unfortunate effects of a two-party dominated system.
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@starr4all (2863)
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13 Jan 09
I think both parties do this, but with this past election the democrats just went crazy! I'm a democrat and I'm ashamed at the depths that the politicians and democrat party as a whole stooped in this election. It doesn't help that the majority of the media is far left. At least there are a few that have recognized their biasness during the election. I'm waiting to see if Obama does blunder and what they will say about it. Most likely they will still say it is Bush's fault. (I'm hoping that Obama does help this country, but he is a politician.)
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Jan 09
I really think this election is where it went crazy. For so many, Obama could do no wrong. It just astounds me that so many talked about how he would change politics, but his broken promises, which the die hards refuse to acknowledge, have shown that he's just another typical politician. That doesn't mean he won't be a good president, but people need to watch him and not blindly follow.
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
13 Jan 09
Coming from Illinois with the disgraced Democratic Governor Rod Blagojevich, I don't think you can say that. Not only have the Democrats in Illinois called for his resignation, Roland Burris (a good man) was almost not seated in the Congress because the Democrats refused to accept an appointment by a tainted governor.
Not all Democrats blindly support every action taken by their party or its members, nor do I think all Republicans do either. Many stood up and said that John McCain should never have selected Sarah Palin as a running mate because she was not qualified.
No thinking person is going to agree with everything their party says.
@Uroborus (908)
• Canada
12 Jan 09
You make some good points but I don't see how this is Democrat specific. The behaviour you mention seems to apply to anybody that treats their selected party in the same way they do loyalty to a sports team, instead of looking at policy and integrity.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
12 Jan 09
There are people like that in both parties. They blindly follow and vote for whoever is running on their party. It call them party creatures. They are part of the problem with our politicans. We get some corrupt and bad politicans in office that way and they keep getting voting back in even after they show their true colors...why because they are running on their party. It is a us against them mind set. "My guy may suck but I am not going to vote for the other side and let them get a seat in congress or hte white house." And we wonder why our government is as messed up as it is.
Plus the politicans know it....look at most races it is not a race of I am best for the job or how they will handle the office they are running for...it is try and make the other guy look worse. A lot of races are very low on substance and high on mud slinging.
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@LilPixelle (828)
• United States
12 Jan 09
We are all brothers, whether democrat or republican, and this is one mistake we all make. What concerns me, is people in general tend to let the politicians do what they want and never say HOLD ON A MINUTE! we should NOT be passing laws so fast that people don't even have time to see whats going on in Congress or the senate without working there full time (In fact a lot of the people who WORK there as congressmen and senators don't even know everything thats going on.) and we as individuals are too ... Stupid? Apathetic? to say anything, either because we think it won't effect us, or because we think our voices don't matter, I say we tear down both parties. they were both STARTED for the same reasons but evolved into this. and they both together have an unfair advantage over other parties (such as libiterian or independents). seeing as they are usually the only two who get into the presidential debates after the primaries are done. What matters are individual beliefs, not a party. because it is HIGHLY unlikely that you will find even just two people in a party who agree on ALL the same things, so, toss the parties out, they are hindering more than they are helping.
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@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
12 Jan 09
I think we are all supposed to be Americans and I think it is high time we all started acting like it. I would also like to see and new rule that simply stated "No millionaires allowed". The people we have in office now has no idea how the working man must live. I have news for you the working people in this nation are the backbone of this nation. We are proving right now when the working man doesn't doesn't have the money to afford their needs our economy bites the dust. Every time the working people are the first ones to be hurt and hurt the most.
Art
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@jambi462 (4576)
• United States
13 Jan 09
I think that democrats will blindly support their party because their beliefs are heavily induced in the democratic party's style. If you like republicans then you will always want to support them right? I don't know I think that people really want to support the democrats because they seem like a chance of hope for our failing country right now.
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@6precious102 (4043)
• United States
15 Jan 09
I think the Democrats don't respond on these issues because they don't have an answer that will suffice. These are not thinking people, instead they react. For years the Democrats in Congress have had the attitude, "What's going to get me reelected?" and have won reelection via the entitlement programs. On the other hand, until recently, the Republicans have had the attitude, "What effect will this have on the country as a whole?"
@Frederick42 (2024)
• Canada
13 Jan 09
Everybody is blind as far as political parties are concerned. This is because politics gives a boost to people. People want something to be blind to, and politics gives then this chance in the best manner possible. Religion also makes people blind, but in the case of religion, we cannot see God and his heaven, but in the case of politics, one can see the politicains, one can hear the slogans etc.. So, politica and those who support is are blind.