Keeping the U.S. safe?
By Bd200789
@Bd200789 (2994)
United States
January 12, 2009 4:09pm CST
Why is it that Republicans and even some Democrats give Bush credit for keeping this country safe in the years after 9/11, but fail to acknowledge that 9/11 happened under HIS watch? You can’t give him credit for keeping the country safe in the last seven years without blaming him for it not being safe on that day and the weeks and months prior to it. If 9/11 hadn’t happened, would he be getting credit for keeping us safe?
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12 responses
@jerzgirl (9327)
• United States
12 Jan 09
They also fail to acknowledge that we had no attacks on US soil after the FIRST Trade Center attack under Clinton - so why no praise for Clinton? Or for Reagan for no mainland attacks against us? Or for Johnson, Ford, Nixon, Carter, and the rest of the 43 presidents? The time we were safe after the first attack was spent planning the next attack. Why do people choose to assume they're not doing that again - planning yet another attack? These people spend YEARS studying, planning, practicing - during those years, there are no attacks. So why should anyone be praised for that??? That doesn't mean spit - it doesn't mean we've been protected. It could very well mean that they are still in planning mode.
Bush does NOT deserve praise any more than Clinton did for the years following the first WTC attack. None of the idiotic Patriot Act scrutinization policies have caught any terror attacks in the planning. Those attacks that HAVE been discovered were discovered by accident and alert people who recognized that what they happened upon was very important (Ft. Dix massacre plans). I will never give Bush credit for "protecting" us when he has actually helped us LOSE our place in this world as a respected nation. I can only hope that Mr. Obama helps restore our dignity and reputation.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Jan 09
"we had no attacks on US soil after the FIRST Trade Center attack under Clinton - so why no praise for Clinton?"
I can see you've already forgotten about the USS Cole. The simple fact is that Clinton DIDN'T DO ANYTHING to stop another terrorist attack. He didn't increase security. He didn't go after bin Laden. He didn't work to improve our intelligence network. His people ransacked the White House on the way out unlike Bush's people who are working hard to ensure a smooth and professional transition to the Obama administration.
"Why do people choose to assume they're not doing that again - planning yet another attack?"
Nobody is making that assumption. Terrorists have tried multiple times since 9-11 and every single one has been thwarted. Perhaps you heard about the terrorists that wanted to attack Fort Dix that were caught this year?
"None of the idiotic Patriot Act scrutinization policies have caught any terror attacks in the planning."
And where exactly did you get that information? Do you have clearance to access the information? Are you in the CIA or FBI? Perhaps you're on the national security council? Give me a break.
"I will never give Bush credit for "protecting" us when he has actually helped us LOSE our place in this world as a respected nation."
I don't really care that some Europeans don't think highly of us. They've always believed Americans were fat and lazy. They also think our women are $luts. They felt this way before Bush and if you don't believe me, feel free to watch the way British comedians talked about Americans in the 90s. The important thing is that the TERRORISTS respect and fear us now. They learned that Bush wasn't going to an attack on this country laying down. I'm worried now because they likely see Obama as a soft president who is less likely to respond with force if we are attacked.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
15 Jan 09
BRAVO!! As you said, the USS Cole wasn't on U.S. soil anymore than the marine barracks in Lebanon when Reagan was President was on our soil. I think it's been well-established that Bush hadn't given much thought, if any, to al Qaeda until September 11 despite memos with clear warnings.
Annie
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
13 Jan 09
I believe 9/11 happened under his presidency because he was deemed to be the weaker choice by the terrorist. Of course that is only my theory as we had nothing to compare it to. I truly think they strike when they think the leader is weak.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Jan 09
Based on your age you should remember the way airport security was before Bush. It was a freaking joke. I could walk on a plane with a knife any time I wanted to with little to no effort. There were no sky marshals. There were no reinforced cockpit doors. Nobody watched you closely while you walked through a metal detector I actually had people wave me through despite it beeping. You can disapprove of many things Bush did and how he did them, but how can you not give him credit for the obvious improvements to airport security that no other president bothered to deal with?
@murderistic (2278)
• United States
13 Jan 09
I don't give Bush any credit for keeping us save seeing as he did it by compromising the Constitution.
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@megsgem (123)
• United States
13 Jan 09
Bush failed to keep us safe from terrorism on our ground. No matter what bush cant win this one cuz....if the cia or fbi knew about the terrorist plot and did nothing then they are at fault a and if they did npot know then they were not doing their jib and that is there fault too! Bush is an idiot! I can't wait for Obama to take over the presidency! Bush is a liar and now Bush Sr. wants Jeb to run in the next presidential election LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
I would not vote for him!
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Jan 09
Clearly you're wrong. He and his policies have thwarted EVERY SINGLE terrorist attack on this country since 9-11. Terrorists haven't taken down any planes despite several attempts, and the terrorists failed to attack Fort Dix. Hate him all you want but you're just wrong when you claim he failed to keep us safe.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
14 Jan 09
He was president for 8 months when 9-11 happened. The first month was spent repairing all the damage the Clinton team did to the White House when they vandalized it on the way out. Al Quaeda spent YEARS planning that attack. Clinton was president during those years, not Bush. Since Clinton's transition team did so much to harm the transition team I seriously doubt they did much to share information with Bush.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
15 Jan 09
Don't you know it's the fanous right double-speak - Bush was only in office for seven months so despite the fact that he ignored the threats of al Qaeda and the many warnings of terrorists using airplanes as weapons that September 11 attack was Clinton's fault. I don't know who deserves the credit for us not having been attacked on our soil during Clinton's Presidency after the 1993 attack. I'm sure that credit must go to either Bush Sr. or Reagan. However, if anything happens under Obama it will be HIS fault, period.
If 9/11 hadn't happened we wouldn't be at war in Afghanistan or Iraq and likely Bush would have been gone four years ago.
Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
13 Jan 09
The attacks happened less than 9 months after Bush assumed office. He didn't walk into a functional white house either as the Clinton staff ransacked and vandalized the place. It was disgraceful the way his people behaved.
Do you think that the terrorists only spent 8 or 9 months planning that attack? That attack was planned over several years and those were years that Clinton was in office. Bush walked into the White House, was just starting to implement his new tax plan, and suddenly got hit with that attack.
9-11 happened because the terrorists had already gotten away with attacks under Clinton and felt that a new president would be an even easier target. Clinton did nothing to improve our intelligence networks and he never went after the terrorists that attacked us. Bush, on the other hand, revamped airport security, increased security throughout the nation, and brought the fight to the terrorists in Afghanistan when they refused to hand over bin Laden.
9-11 happened over 7 years ago so it's impossible to say how things would be without it. Without 9-11 we wouldn't be in Iraq or Afghanistan most likely. Without those wars we wouldn't have the budget deficit we currently have. Way too many things have happened that resulted directly or indirectly from 9-11 to give any judgment on how things would be now without 9-11.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
13 Jan 09
While I think there is still debate over the issues of what happened when the Clintons left the white house, I agree that attacks had already happened and was not handled well.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
13 Jan 09
The wheels for 9/11 were set in motion long before Bush ever got in to office. we have had 2 attacks on american soil, one under clinton and one under bush. We did however have nmore attacks on our interests under Clinton than ever before or since in history.
@gitfiddleplayer (10362)
• United States
13 Jan 09
It was Clinton that didn't kill Bin Laden when he had the chance so that just opened the door. Blaming Bush for 9/11 is like blaming somebody for getting hit from behind at a stoplight while they are just sitting there. You can praise Bush if you want for protecting us since 9/11 but you better be hating B.O. when the fit hits the shan.
@grammasnook (1871)
• United States
13 Jan 09
He doesn't deserve any praise. I think of it this way. The United States has thousands of sleepers sitting right here in our country. I think the attack was done to prove a point and there has never been another one planned since. So did he stop attacks or was there never another one planned. If they wanted to get to us it wouldn't be that difficult after all our military is scattered all of the globe leaving us pretty vulnerable right here at home.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
13 Jan 09
This problem goes back alot farther than Bush. It goes back to his dad's presidency and Clintons. A lot of mistakes were made by all of them to cause 9/11. In my opinion they all share blame in it.
I do think he has made sure it has not happened again here. That much I will give him. It makes the news when a terrorist attack happnes....not so much when it is prevented. If it bleeds it leads on the news.
I do not think Bush has been a great president and I will be happy when he is gone (not that I am trilled about Obama coming in). But I do think Bush got blamed for things he could not control like our "do nothing" Congress. Bush could not write the Bills, submit them, or vote on them. All he could do was sign or veto them. So when you have a congress that sucks it pretty well leaves you with your hands tied.