Adolf Hitler Campbell and his sisters are taken away from parents
By Taskr36
@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
January 15, 2009 2:14pm CST
A 3-year-old boy named Adolf Hitler and his two Nazi-named younger sisters were removed from their New Jersey home last week and placed in state custody, police said.
Adolf Hitler Campbell and his sisters, JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell and Honszlynn Hinler Jeannie Campbell, were taken from their Holland Township, N.J., home on Friday by the state's Division of Youth and Family Services (DYFS), Sgt. John Harris of the Holland Township Police Department told FOXNews.com.
Their father, Heath Campbell, is expected in court Thursday in Flemington, N.J., in connection with the case.
The Campbells made national news last month when a ShopRite supermarket refused to sell them a birthday cake with Adolf Hitler's name on it. The story generated a slew of angry Internet chatter.
There are no specifics about why exactly the children were taken away, but when the parents made the news there were a lot of people calling these names child abuse. What are your opinions on this? Do you think that naming these kids as such, and driving them around in a car with a swastika is sufficient to claim child abuse?
11 people like this
33 responses
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
15 Jan 09
Yes I do. The ridicule and possibly hatred these children could be exposed to from other people could damage these children for the rest of their lives. I know that when they are old enough they can have their names legally change but IMO by then the damage will already have been done.
5 people like this
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
16 Jan 09
Give me a break! I honestly do know how either of you could even compare naming a child after a fruit or an act of nature even close to naming a child after a man who was an infamous monster remembered for nothing but one of the worst periods in human history.
2 people like this
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
16 Jan 09
This is the definition of my son's middle name: a heavy fall of rain, snow, or hail, or a violent outbreak of thunder and lightning, unaccompanied by strong winds.
I gave him the name of a violent act that has killed people, separated families and has left many homeless. Under your analogy I'm also guilty of abuse.
2 people like this
@soooobored (1184)
• United States
16 Jan 09
I don't know, didn't Gwyneth Paltrow name her kid "Apple"? I think the same rule could apply there, that kid will be picked on relentlessly... but is it illegal?
2 people like this
@Sillychick (3275)
• United States
15 Jan 09
As much as I disagree with the parents' choices of names, and their openly racist attitudes, I can't say this is necessarily child abuse. Just because I disagree with the way others raise their children or values they teach them, doesn't make it my business to try to stop them unless the children are being physically or emotionally harmed.
That said, I have to wonder about these people. Considering what they do publicly, what do they do in the privacy of their home? I hate to judge people I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that there was abuse going on.
4 people like this
@Fadolf (545)
• Slovenia
16 Jan 09
Now it may seem like it isn't abuse but what when the child starts to have its own opinion. What if his parents would force him to wear swastika sign and the child doesn't want to. I think it will be child abuse from the moment the kid says: "I don't want to be named after the one of the biggest 20th century dictator". I agree that there are different people and I don't have anything against it while that "differences" stay within the four walls but when I see something like this on the street it makes me feel uncomfortable.
2 people like this
@Sillychick (3275)
• United States
16 Jan 09
That was my point. Being racist and giving your children names that reflect your beliefs in and of itself is not abuse. But when the children are physically or emotionally harmed, that is definitely abuse. There could be serious emotional damage when those children go to school and are picked on, made fun of, or even beaten up because of their names and their parents. The responsibility is on the parents to think about the implications when naming their children the kind of names that are obviously going to be noticed and likely offend people.
2 people like this
@mac1946 (1602)
• Calgary, Alberta
15 Jan 09
It is the right of all people to name thier children any name they wish,This is an invasion of individuals rights and have no place in law.
Now,if the parents are Nazi sympathisers or activists,this would be a differant issue.
but to my knowledge,There has never been a law stating you can not use any name associated with wartime names.
And as for the cake,unless the owner of the store is Jewish,he discriminated against Heath for his beliefs and wishes.
While I do not think he was right in his choices,I do not believe anyone has the right to stop him from doing so.(unless it can be proven to be against the law.
Many Blessings.
4 people like this
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Jan 09
So basically, the New Jersey Division of Youth and Family Services and the Holland Township PD were so offended by the names the Campbells gave their kids that they turned to Nazi tactics in protest.
Unless there is real abuse of these kids, New Jersey and Holland Township are being the jack-booted thugs they claim to abhor.
3 people like this
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Jan 09
I like your analysis. In all fairness the Division of Youth and Family Services has not officially stated why they took the children away. It is possible that there are allegations of serious child abuse. We'll just have to wait and see what information comes out.
3 people like this
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
16 Jan 09
True, that is why I made sure to add the "if" part here. If there is real abuse then the state and city acted appropriately.
2 people like this
@soooobored (1184)
• United States
16 Jan 09
Taskr, I'm curious to hear as well, hopefully the attention drawn to the family by all this publicity revealed ACTUAL child abuse going on at home. To be honest, as much as I disagree with removing kids for bad names, I would like to see a legal and legitimate reason to get the kids out of that environment!
3 people like this
@Fortunata (1135)
• United States
15 Jan 09
I'm glad something was done. Obviously there was something else going on besides giving their children ridiculous names. Some skinheads are just plain weird.
4 people like this
@lisa0502 (1724)
• Canada
15 Jan 09
I for one do not like the idea of these people doing this. But the fact of the matter is we were given a right, and as long as they are not commiting a crime then what can we really do about this. It is really sad that these kids might learn all of the hate. You can not run around though and take every kid out of the gang houses etc if the parents are not commiting crimes.
4 people like this
@p3halliwel2005 (3156)
• Philippines
16 Jan 09
No I don't think that is child abuse. You can name your child any name you want and this doesn't hurt the child. Yes we all know that the real Adolf Hitler is really a very bad person but this people has no fault. Let them live their life. Be themselves for all we care as long as they don't do any harm to others.
2 people like this
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
15 Jan 09
Well, it looks like the U.S. is well on it's way to turning into Canada. The same thing happened in Canada with a mom and her children:http://www.imperfectparent.com/topics/2008/07/11/mom-sends-daughter-to-school-with-swastika-drawn-on-arm/
Abuse should only be classified as intended harmful behavior towards one's child. Naming them after Hitler isn't abusive on the parents part. It's stupid, yes, but definitely not abusive.
Those who think otherwise will come back and say: "think of all the teasing and bullying he's going to go through". What's funny, though, is that if I name my child Ichibod Crane, or some other funky name, it's going to increase their chances of being bullied over their name. If I let my son wear girl's clothes and play with girl's toys while he's growing up, he's going to get teased and beat up for it. The above examples, however, would be perfectly fine by the same people who are all outraged because this kid is going to face hard times in the future. It's only when someone practices their free speech to be a racist or white supremacists do people get their panties in a twist.
3 people like this
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Jan 09
Excellent point with names like Ichibod Crane. I knew a kid when I was younger named Pasqualle. I can assure you he felt his parents were cruel to him. I also knew a girl in highschool named Fukao Mika. That name got even crueler insults although I'm sure her parents never imagined what it could sound like to Americans.
I wonder whether it would also be cruel to name your child Hussein...
3 people like this
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
16 Jan 09
I went to school with a girl named Precious. Her last name was Jewel. Yep her parents named her Precious Jewel. Well precious is also usually an animals or pets name. YOu can imagine how bad that girl got picked on. Picking stupid names is not illegal or abuse.
2 people like this
@tessah (6617)
• United States
15 Jan 09
disgusting as the thought may be.. we as a nation still have the freedom to be neo nazi white supremecist hitler admirers if we so choose. in fact, them refusing to make that cake was a violation of these peoples civil rights. the government stepping in taking the kids, if it is because they dont feel the names are appropriate, or like the car they drive, is also a violation of these peoples civil rights.
3 people like this
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Jan 09
While I agree completely that in this country we have the right to be neo-nazis, I strongly disagree with you on the cake. As a free country Shop-Rite has the right to choose what they will and won't put on a cake so long as those restrictions apply to everyone, i.e. they won't put Adolph Hitler on anyone else's cake either. Forcing them to do so would violate the store owner's civil rights.
4 people like this
@taface412 (3175)
• United States
16 Jan 09
As appalling the thought is that someone has named their child this and for whatever reasoning they have the fact still remains that they have every right to name their children whatever they want. This is not abuse. This is abuse by the state officials if this is the only reasoning they have removed the children. Even thought the store did not want to do this service they had no right really to refuse, because they are paying customers.
and also I cannot help but to think the moment you mentioned people's reactions to the names....well our President to be has the name Hussein attached to his name. Are we to think he is anything like the other Hussein? That's idocy. Those children, just like Obama have names that they were given. No matter how they got those names.
This is America where we have rights and freedoms and we cry all the time about injustices. And also those rights and freedoms that others exercise we may not agree upon, but then again we shoudl be free from prejudice.
Like I said I think it is distasteful a parent would name their child this, but then again I think it's distasteful when a Hippy parent names their child something like Apple.
I am curious as to why the children were removed. The real reasoning.
2 people like this
@chameleonsdream (1230)
• United States
16 Jan 09
When Annie posted about the story that brought the family to media attention (back in this thread: http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1837997.aspx) I made my feelings about this very clear: if they have no other reason for removing the children from the home other than their names, I'm totally against it. Even so, the more I think about those kids -- especially the little boy - having to deal with the world's reaction to those names, the more I want to smack the parents for turning their kids into political props.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
16 Jan 09
We will have to wait and see why they took them. If it was because of their names than I would say it is wrong. True the names are offensive, but it is the right of every parent to name their kids whatever they want. NO matter who stupid they are. Heck I know one rock star who named his son "Pirate". Pirates pillage and do all kinds of horrible things...but it was his choice what to name his kid. Or how about the celebrity couple who named their kid "Pilot Inspector". I am not kidding they actually put that on the kid's birth certificate. It was their choice and the government needs to stay out of it unless real abuse is going on.
I have heard the family is part of a skin head group or Nazi group or something like that. Well most of us may not agree with it but it is not illegal. We have the freedom to believe what we want in this country and that means the freedom to believe some stupid or offensive things. Who is the government to tell us what to teach our children?
I am hoping that CPC had a real reason to take those children and not just we don't agree with your life style. We will have to wait and see.
3 people like this
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
16 Jan 09
If you really look around you'll see all sorts of stupid names. There was a girl in Hawaii named Talula does the Hula from Hawaii. She sued her parents so she could change her name and won. In the U.S. celebrities are the worst naming their children things like Talulabell, Harlow, and Little Pixie to name a few.
3 people like this
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
16 Jan 09
I just thought of something....let put a little twist to this...sense 9/11 this country CAN be pretty mean to muslims. Some stupid people are that way unfortunately. Should CPS take all the muslim kids with obvious Muslim names and make their parents change their names? I mean those kids are going to get picked on and bullied in school and called terrorists and beaten up because of it by some stupid kids. So therefore are the parents abusing their kids by naming them muslim names and teaching them the muslim religion that they know will cause problems for their kids later in life?
Of course not. And if CPS did that than everyone would be all over them for messing with these parents rights, religion and culture. We may not like this families Nazi lifestyle but according to the laws of this country they get to have it.
2 people like this
@LilPixelle (828)
• United States
15 Jan 09
*stares blankly* SAY WHAT NOW?!
if this was his only crime, naming his children extremely controversially, and painting a swastika on his car, that falls under "RELIGIOUS FREEDOM" though I feel sorry for the kids, its still NO REASON to take them away from their family. it is in fact, SICK to take them away from their parents, though they would be growing up in a family with in my opinion sick political views, there chances are pretty good that it would be better to grow up in what is their own home than growing up in the foster care system. besides, in this day and age, they would likely be sent to public school where it wouldn't take too long for them to start questioning their parents (hell in these schools, you don't even have to have super strange views on anything to grow up in a position to start questioning your parents) I hope that all was understood.
3 people like this
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
15 Jan 09
I just want to remind you, we don't really know why the kids were taken away. I'll bet it has something to do with the nazi crap, but odds are there were serious allegations. Many kids who are victims of serious abuse get ignored by the system so I doubt that some unpopular names and a swastika are enough to get children taken away.
3 people like this
@LilPixelle (828)
• United States
16 Jan 09
Children can get taken away for some pretty stupid reasons.
2 people like this
@schwing_girl89 (278)
• United States
16 Jan 09
I don't believe this is child abuse. Parents have every right to name their child what they choose. The child can change their name when they are of legal age if they choose. As long as the parents are not physically or emotionally abusing the children then there really seems to be no reason to take them away. Parents can drive around in a car with a Jesus fish on the back, but is that not possibly offensive to other people who do not believe in Jesus as well?
2 people like this
@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
16 Jan 09
Yes I do. In my country you are forbidden to name your son which an put him to ridicule. You cannot name your son as satan for example. I think you are putting your son to ridicule.Yes I do believe that naming these kids for Nazi names and driving them around in a car with a swastika is not a very good example that a parent can give.
2 people like this
@nickventere (1420)
• Zambia
16 Jan 09
basically, I think it is quite nonsensically child abuse. On one hand, I'd think one has to respect the fact that the kids will be adults one day, one also has to take into consideration that the kids will have a growing process. Does one want to expose their kids to public scorn and ridicule because their parents "mis-named" them?
I think this case is quite extreme and I have no sympathy for the parents losing their kids to child welfare services.
2 people like this
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
16 Jan 09
Those parents have to be mentally ill and it's a good thing the children were taken from them. At the very least, they are neo-nazi kooks and have no business having any kind of influence over children. This type of person tends to be very harsh in their discipline of children so I'd guess that the children are being beaten or starved. I'll go a step further and say that the parents should be sterilized and jailed for crimes against humanity--perpetuating the hatred and prejudice that resulted in millions of deaths.
2 people like this
@hllywdprncss76 (179)
• United States
16 Jan 09
The parents can name their kids whatever they choose & its wrong to take the kids away from the parents. I was at the mall last week & I hear a mother calling her son his name Sadam Hussein.
2 people like this
@hibiscus_mel (719)
• United States
16 Jan 09
I think the parents were just Nazi fanatics. Maybe they think that is the coolest name on earth. As what the father said this is America and we have freedom to choose a name. People are just really taking a big deal on a name. If the child will become an object of ridicule which is considered to be some form of abuse the parents can always opt to change the name. Is it really big deal? As long as they are not teaching the kids of nazi doctrine or whatsoever. I don't think it's a big deal.
2 people like this
@kaiBrooks007 (5)
• United States
16 Jan 09
hmmm i dont know if i like this discussion, it kinda scares me, i like happier things. Thanks for sharring though