Inside The Mind Of A "Hero"
By sconibear
@sconibear (8016)
United States
January 16, 2009 9:16am CST
i see a lot of "headline posters" have already started discussions about the plane that landed in The Hudson River in NY......it was a "water landing", not a crash.
but i want to look at it from a different angle........and there are many similar examples, i just use this one because it's so recent.
first of all, kudos to pilot Chesley B. "Sully" Sullenberger III, he did a fantastic job of keeping his plane in one piece.
and everybody is hailing him as a HERO, which i'm sure his response will be "i'm not a hero, i was just doing my job....BLAH, BLAH, BLAH." cuz that's what all heros say.
but how do we know that what was really going through his mind was, "OH MY GOD!!! I'M GONNA DIE!!!.....damn the torpedoes, i'm putting this sucker down in that river there!"?
so my question is, if someone's not thinking about anything else but saving their OWN skin, and they just happen to have a bunch of people with them, does that still make them a hero???
how do we know that the birds that flew into the plane's engines weren't the heros, giving their lives to defend their air space from the "giant metal flying beast"???
french fries, tater tots, or curly fries???
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13 responses
@Little_Stormy (6883)
• United States
16 Jan 09
Yer not gonna believe this but I was thinkin' the same thing.. except fer the birds part (I'm not totally stupid, ya know! lol!) I think he isn't a hero I think he was saving his own buttocks
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@doubleloveyou (2466)
• United States
16 Jan 09
I do agree that yes I am sure he was thinking of his life as well. But his character was not seen in doing his job landing the plane. His heroism is magnified by him not leaving the plane until he had checked it "TWICE" before leaving the plane.
Now this is where you come back and say. "He was not checking it for passangers, he just found a fast and easy way to get 150 laptops to sell on ebay." :)
Tator Tots!
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@sconibear (8016)
• United States
16 Jan 09
well, i can't be 100% sure, but i'm pretty sure he was a hero...but so far, everybody is reading the question question wrong.
the question was....and i quote..."if someone's not thinking about anything else but saving their OWN skin, and they just happen to have a bunch of people with them, does that still make them a hero???
i just used that story as an example because it's so recent.....but it could of really been many different stories where as in someone saving their own life, saves a number of people that just happen to be with them......whether that was their intention or not.
are they still a hero???
in the oven or deep fried???
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@doubleloveyou (2466)
• United States
16 Jan 09
Well I would have to say no. The hero is not defined by saving others acidentally while saving himself. A hero puts his or herself before others. Just using this as an example, he could have been the first one off the plane. oven.
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@sconibear (8016)
• United States
16 Jan 09
that's what i was thinking when i started this discussion.
what about the "birds" theory?
plain or the kind with the little onion bits in them?
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@Rosekitty (19368)
• San Marcos, Texas
16 Jan 09
You are right..I'm sure he was double thinking of everything he knew of how to get out of this stupid predicament he was in, and thinking of his karma of having lives in his hands to save.He did a great job and would request him for any plane ride i ever take..lol..
curly fries..no I'll take onion rings
@doubleloveyou (2466)
• United States
16 Jan 09
You didn't give the choice of Onion Rings, in that case Tator tots.
@sconibear (8016)
• United States
16 Jan 09
not only would you get a plane ride, you could get a boat ride at the same time.
ONION RINGS ROCK!!!....and are of course the correct answer.
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@guybrush (4658)
• Australia
17 Jan 09
I've often thought the same thing, Sconi. We all have survival instincts, so we do everything possible to make the best of a bad situation. The pilot obviously wanted to preserve himself - the rest of the passengers were incidental! We've just had one of our soldiers awarded a Victoria Cross - he used his own body to distract enemy fire from wounded comrades. That takes a bit of hero action ...
@sconibear (8016)
• United States
17 Jan 09
now that's a true hero.
and i would also side with the people calling the pilot in NY a hero.....but that wasn't my question.
you, and a few of the other responders got the REAL question i was asking.
but, you forgot your potato preference.
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
17 Jan 09
Hey sconi! That's a cool way of "spinning" this story! So,
you want to take it from the birds-eye view so to speak!
Those poor birdies! I felt so sorry for them too! You didn't
hear anyone saying that did you? Of course not! They just
got sucked into the engines and all you heard was about the
people having to go into the freezing cold water in that
freezing cold air! Damn! No one thought about those poor
birdies! Well I did! I also may never fly again because that's
the airport that I fly from! Now I am even more scared to
take a flight from Laguardia! It's so fun living in NY!
@sconibear (8016)
• United States
17 Jan 09
my girlfriend won't ever get on a plane....she flew here from Germany like 20 years ago, and she can't ever go back cuz she's too scared to fly.
i don't mind it....it's just take-off, landing, and turbulence that kind of freaks me out.
please......everyone go outside right now and hug a bird.
Opal, you forgot your potato preference.
@wheel416 (1019)
• Canada
16 Jan 09
]Hi there,
A very good point you raise. It indeed was an emergency plane landing in the Hudson River not a plane crash, however, I think many people consider it to be heroic because if I'm not mistaken an emergency landing like that has never been successful before such that all people on that plane walked away without any serious long-term injuries.
I have responded to several of the flying plane crash discussions and I too called him a hero. I did not call him a hero because he saved 155 people's lives. I called him a hero because he was able to think well under pressure and to communicate well with his fellow copilot and his fellow crew members to get everyone off of the plane successfully.
I cannot speak for other people but I called him a hero because he was able to successfully land the plane under extreme circumstances. You are absolutely correct in the assertion that we will never know if he was saying "Holy Crapola, this is bad I don't wanna die!" However, even if he was he still had the presence of mind to be able to act and react in such a way that he was able to get his butt out of that rather sticky situation as well as all those other people. I don't know about you, but he's the guy I want beside me when things get rough. I don't want someone standing there going "Oh My God!" I want somebody who's going too act and think later. Even if he was just trying to save his own bottom. I am OK with that, 'cause in the process of saving his butt he saved mine too.
And you are absolutely right perhaps those birds are heroes as well. Perhaps the plane was never meant to make it to its destination, perhaps the birds and the pilot both changed the outcome of the lives of those 155 people.
The truth of the matter is that neither one of us will know if that is true not but I believe that everything happens for a reason. Whatever that reason is those people on the plane were not meant to die that day. That's it and if story.
And hold the fries for me on all the hungry, in fact them feeling rather ill, but and happy Mylotting!
@sconibear (8016)
• United States
16 Jan 09
great response.....you pretty much got what was going through my brain.....it's actually a complicated process how the wheels and gears all fall into place.
would you like to supersize your order???
@sconibear (8016)
• United States
16 Jan 09
your response was fine.....it was really just a hypothetical question.
cuz no one really knows what goes on in someone elses mind.
i only used that story as an example, because it was so recent.
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
17 Jan 09
If you think only about your skin, you can always jump out of the plane and let it crushed.
You can escape like captain from Titanic.
He is the hero, even if doing only his job.
He was the last one leaving the plane, making sure all passengers are safe.
Safe landing is also giving him a lots of credentials...
I think he runs into hero category.
@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
17 Jan 09
Yes, he the captain certainly is a hero,
Do you suppose that there are people who would do such an action out of self interest? Like the question is framed do you think that in saving ones own life the hero or the person to be claimed a hero just also happened to save the lives of a lot of other people... If by accident you happen to find a smoldering fire and you extinguish that fire and you did not know that the little fire was burning right beside a major supply of fuel or could have caused a leak of some very toxic material that would have caused harm to millions of people. By putting out the fire you knew you were saving your own life. At the same time you avoided a major catastrophe... Like I said anything done for the good of self and others no matter the actual risk makes one a hero.
Don't you agree?
Now would you like a burger with those fries? I think I could stand another hole in my side...
Hint: I woke up thinking about a song, a song sung by Dusty Springfield... Did you just think about Song, song Blue, everybody knows one... Neil Diamond (Yes?)
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
16 Jan 09
Self serving or not, he's still a hero! Who the hell else is gonna land the damn plane?? There were probably a million things going through his mind at the time too. One of them of course being frantic strategizing on how best to save the situation; and I am pretty certain he was probably wondering where the hell the blonde Airhostess with the big boobs was too at one point 'cos if he's gonna die, he may as well get some along the way!
And can I have a bucket of all three choices please? Is there any such thing as fried curly tots??
@sconibear (8016)
• United States
16 Jan 09
James, "Airhostess" is too politically correct.....therefore i have to end this response right n
fried curly tot flavored onion rings ROCK!!!
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@Little_Stormy (6883)
• United States
16 Jan 09
COOL!!! someone left a tip!!!
*eats the curly fries left on table*
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@sconibear (8016)
• United States
16 Jan 09
AT LAST!!! someone acknowledges the birds defending their air space.
@chobby3037 (170)
• United States
16 Jan 09
Hey great discussion!
I think I've change my mind twice while trying to write this response.
I'm sure its not an uncommon thing for some 'heroes' to think that sort of thing I mean it all comes down to self preservation. maybe that why most of them don't think of themselves as heroes.
@sconibear (8016)
• United States
16 Jan 09
yeah, i was gonna respond to you earlier, but I kept changing my mind.
@revellanotvanella (4033)
• United States
17 Jan 09
Because he did everything perfectly and according to the manual just like he was taught to do. I didn't think it made a difference what he was thinking he still saved over 150 lives and didn't panic, ultimately crashing into a major vicinity, thats why he's a hero in my eyes. He was said to of checked the plane twice and according to the passengers the plane was filling in the back of the plane pretty quickly I think he did car. The geese, hopefully they evolve to learn not to fly into the giant metal beast.
@dawnald (85146)
• Shingle Springs, California
16 Jan 09
Who knows what was going through his mind? But he did the right thing under extreme pressure, so good for him! That's what heroes do...
@Little_Stormy (6883)
• United States
16 Jan 09
can you point that out just one more time? I don't think I'm getting it
@sconibear (8016)
• United States
16 Jan 09
i agree the pilot in NY was a hero,
but most responders here missed the real question which was "if someone's not thinking about anything else but saving their OWN skin, and they just happen to have a bunch of people with them, does that still make them a hero???"
the Hudson River story was just an example i used and the question could have come from a number of scenarios.....it was just that it was a recent event.
you didn't make a choice of potatoe.