Who really destroyed America?
@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
United States
January 17, 2009 12:24pm CST
Looking into our troubled times we can clearly see that there is an element inside of our own country that has brought us down by deliberate actions.
There is an old term for one who would betray their country --TRAITOR! The crime is treason. It happens when our leadership defiles their oath to up hold our values as described in the U.S. Constitution.
Can we now see and understand the damage of the wall street traitors? They all having their hands in each others pockets will reveal the real network of terrorism in our country.
So you say you have earned a lot of money? Let's see if you can account for your earnings. If I was sitting on a huge lump of cash, I might think twice about standing in the spot light, if the money trail is not legitimate it might reveal something from the dark side like a secret that people are trying to hide.
What was it about that game 'Hot Potato?'
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
18 Jan 09
We are all responsible. From our government to wall stree to the average person. We spent more than we had, were irresponsible with our money, did not save for a rainy day and basically spent the last few years on a spending spree. Lack of responsibility and common sense on alot of people's part is reason we are in this mess today.
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
18 Jan 09
Suppose you had a plan to save, suppose you had to pay thousands of dollars in legal fee's for a crime you never committed, are you blaming the innocent person for being poor? Let's go just a little further, suppose the system was fraught with a ton of corruption and the innocent never had a fair trial? Would you still blame the innocent person who was willing and able to make things work but is now having a hard time because of the devastation in their life?
Have you ever gotten so tired of treading water that you just want to give up? Imagine the current to strong to stay afloat it is either sink or swim...
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
18 Jan 09
I am talking about all the credit card debt, housing debt, and consumerism that has gone on. People ran up too much credit debt up and could not pay their bills, they bought houses they could not afford. They ran up more debt than they could pay.Bought SUVs they could not afford to put gas in. Common sense should tell you do not spend more than you make and save money from what you make for a rainy day. You should always have at least 6 months worth of your bills in savings at all times in case something bad happens.If you want something that you can not afford...save up for it til you can instead of charging it on a credit card. We are a instant graditification society..we want it and we want it now. And we want it all. We refuse to tell ourselves no. Well look where that got us.
There was greed on all levels, from the average person all the way to wall street and the government. We all played in a part in this mess. The only difference is wall street and the government will get bailed out by the average joe tax payer.
Who are you saying is to blame? Shoudl the government dictate to us how to spend our money? Make us put so much money in savings each month? It is not the governments job to be our parents. Hopefully all of this teaches everyone a lesson about moderation and acting responsibility.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
18 Jan 09
sink or swim....that is life. No one ever said it would be fair or easy. Everyone has hard times and bad things happen outside of their control. But the decisions you make in your life can make it easier to handle when bad things happen.
Poor or rich we are all responsible for our own lives and our own actions.
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@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
18 Jan 09
Deep down, we as the people of the United States of America have destroyed America with all of our spending and lack of education.
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@rogue13xmen13 (14402)
• United States
19 Jan 09
Yes, I know that there are honest and educated people out there, but some of these honest and educated men and women let the thieves and the trouble makers commit their crimes and get away with what they have done.
We are too lenient on criminals. Look at the "Three Strikes Law". They can commit the same crimes three times over before they are finally put away for good.
The reason that I say that we the people have destroyed America is because we as a nation have spent way too much money (I will admit I am somewhat guilty of this), and NCB (No Child Left Behind) is a joke. Thanks to NCB, some children are not getting the education that they need, and money is being cut from schools, not put into schools.
Children in my city have to go door-to-door to earn money to keep their schools running and to get to go on field trips.
@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
18 Jan 09
No not true there are many educated Americans doing good work and having good jobs, they are not part of the problem the real problem is with the trouble makers. The greedy thieves that have their hands in other people's pockets.
I could show you a list of these people who are guilty of taking things that are not theirs.
I could start with some of the women who should be very close to me...
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
21 Jan 09
All in the name of education...
How much more did the teachers get paid this year?
Like Health insurance and all other Government jobs the money seems to come to them out of thin air...
Somebody had to work for it... They that make the money have no accountability to those of us who have poured out our sweat, blood and tears so that they can live high on the hog...
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@Rozie37 (15499)
• Turkmenistan
18 Jan 09
I believe in the saying that, "When you blame, you give up your power for change." While I would agree that our government and others in leadership have mismanaged a lot of funds, Americans are known for living above their means and spending money that they do not have. It is call credit and most of us are guilty of this on some level.
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
18 Jan 09
Hi Rozie,
"When you blame, you give up your power for change." This is not about making false accusations, when you cast blame it should only be done when the person to whom the blame is being exposed has refused to make right their wrongs...
So in absence of righting the wrongs we have to hunt or fish out the corruption that has taken a major toll on our investments, our housing and our profits.
Credit is not a sin, and borrowing money is not a crime, it is a crime if you can not repay the loan, so what causes default? One either you were allowed to borrow too much money or you lost your expected income and now you can not repay the loan.
Who is at fault the consumer of the lender? Maybe the employer? Behind all of it is the government regulations that either do or do not exist.
I like the answer by Guardian208, they laid it all out very nicely...
@goldeneagle (6743)
• United States
18 Jan 09
The way I see it, there are three groups of people to blame...
The mortgage companies handed out adjustable rate mortgages like they were free during the whole time that the real estate market was booming. It is now time for those mortgages to start "ballooning," people cannot make the payments nor get refinanced to a fixed rate mortgages. This, combined with the increased cost of living due to the trickle-down effect of high gas prices, is why the foreclosure rate is higher than it has ever been.
The corporate managers of big businesses are also to blame. They have ran the companies into the ground, spending lots of money on unnecessary expenses such as corporate jets and other wasted money, and now the companies are going bankrupt. Apparently, the burden of bailing these companies out is going to fall to the tax-payers.
Labor unions are also partially to blame for the collapse of the auto makers. They demand so much money for the workers they represent that it drives the cost of production a lot higher than it has to be...
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
18 Jan 09
We can leave the labor union out for a moment, but you are right about the mortgages and the adjustable rates and the big businesses that did not protect their assets or their arrears because they have put their hands deep into everyone's pockets.
It will not be long until that handful of good and plenty turns out to be a spoiled peanut and they will find that like a monkey that can see into the glass jar the item of desire will be held onto until the demise of the profiteer that is now about to have his pockets drained while caught in the trap of having and not sharing.
They took from my assets now they can give back from theirs, I had little to begin with the lot that they had will surely be reduced if not evaporated.
Good people have nothing to fear, but the thieves are going to be exposed and drained. I'm sure there are plenty to be collected and even prosecuted.
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
18 Jan 09
Oh' that is almost too funny... Was that the demon reptilian? ![](/Content/images/emotes/angry.gif)
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@Guardian208 (1095)
• United States
18 Jan 09
There's that too. Dang reptilians!
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@newtondak (3946)
• United States
17 Jan 09
A mortgage company can't encumber you with a loan without your signature, nor can an auto dealer sell you a car without your consent. Americans are to blame for the state of our economy - you can't borrow yourself out of debt.
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
17 Jan 09
No you can not borrow yourself out of debt and neither can an American, what we can do is make affordable loans and we can make jobs available to give people an income that is greater than their burden of debt.
If people were able to work one job that had the salary of three we could save our economy, instead of working three jobs for the salary of one, which is killing a lot of poor Americans.
The flip side is that there is a strong Aristocratic element that doesn't have to work and they are sitting on a lot of money... They have no debts... Something that is not often discussed is the American Wealth and where all that wealth is kept.
Got a good paying job?
@Guardian208 (1095)
• United States
18 Jan 09
Who destroyed America?
1. Madison Ave.
2. Our banking industry
3. Government
3. Wall Street
4. Ourselves
First, as Madison Ave became more and more savvy in understanding how to manipulate us to desire things we really didn't need, our eyes were opened to all the new and shiny things we could have. The bad news was that they were creating new desires in us. The good news was that we had to save up our money in order to buy them. As our real life intruded on these desires, most of us didn't buy most of the things that we wanted.
But then our lending institutions and banks made credit cards available. At first they were fairly hard to get. But with time, almost anyone could get one. Some we were no longer buying things that we could pay for, we were buying things based on whether or not we could afford the monthly payment. this was a fundamental shift in our economy and in my opinion the most influential factor in our current economic problems. Credit become king over cash.
As this became a big industry, government got involved. Our government has never been particularly good at managing our economy, which is why I am VERY nervous about this wave of bailouts. It just makes sense that if the government is going to give them money, they are going to want some influence over their industries. But that is a whole other discussion. Our government acts too dramatically and much too late. It's kind of like driving on ice. If you look well ahead of where you are going and make small subtle adjustments, you will usually do well. But if you wait too long and make drastic movements you will lose control and crash.
As our economy was thriving, they decided that too many minorities were being declined for home mortgage financing and that was discrimination. Without looking too deeply into it to determine why that was happening, they passed legislation that required lenders to allow a larger percentage of minorities to be approved for mortgage loans. So people who one day could not get a loan because they were not credit worthy, suddenly become credit worthy. Nothing changed in their financial status. One day you were not eligible, the next day you were.
I'm not saying that the banks did not play a role in the current crisis, some banks kept their criteria for acceptance high, most did not.
That's when Wall Street got involved. Now lenders were packaging up this flood of new mortgages and selling them as mortgage backed securities on the Street. These securities became hot and in high demand. As the demand for these securities rose, lenders scrambled to generate more mortgages and further lowered their acceptance criteria. So people who were even less qualified were getting mortgages. These mortgages began to go bad. These people who we knew weren't credit worthy a few years prior were defaulting on their mortgage payments. Big surprise. so homes started to go into foreclosure. Housing values began to slide. Houses become worth less than the mortgage note that secured the home so investors were no longer interested in buying mortgage backed securities. So now lenders had these mortgages that they could not sell on the Street. Lenders cash flow came to a halt and credit dried up. As credit dried up more houses went into foreclosure and bank no longer had there biggest asset: mortgage payments. Banks began to fail. Wall Street reacted and the market lost serious value.
But underneath all of this was our continued desire to have more than we can afford. It was this mind set that led to this whole fiasco. If we as consumers would live within our means, the efforts of Madison Ave., the banks, our government and Wall Street would not have had the impact that it has.
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
18 Jan 09
Now take all of that in consideration with this post I started here:
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1865701.aspx
And put your information together with the common worker and the missing money?
You have all of your thoughts lined up but if you expand just a little further the real thief will be revealed.
Just follow the money trail...
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