Some questions about racism in America today ... a necessary dialogue?
By ladyluna
@ladyluna (7004)
United States
January 18, 2009 7:44am CST
Hello All,
I'm sincerely interested in gleaning your perspectives about racism in America today.
I will not rate anyone negatively and would hope that you all do the same. Regardless of whether I agree or disagree with your opinions and answers, you are entitled to your individual perspective, and I will absolutely respect your right to espouse your personal viewpoint. That's the American way!
So, here are my questions:
1. What is "racism" to you?
2. Can anyone be racist, regardless of their skin color?
3. Is a racist born or made?
4A. If people can be born racist, then is acheiving "color blindness" possible, and what must be done to acheive that goal?
4B. If a racist is made, then what are the potentially most potent influences that can tip the scales one way or the other?
5. Can a person who has not previously demonstrated 'racist' tendencies adopt contrary values as an adult? In other words, could an incident or sociological disposition undermine prior values -- thereby causing a prejudicial shift?
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10 responses
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
18 Jan 09
1. Hatred of a person because of their ethnicity.
2. Yes... no matter what some would have us believe.
3. Racism is learned, it is not genetic. If you put a bunch of kids together, they don't care too much about differences, and they will play together. It is the adults that change that reality for them.
4a You cannot change the way you were born. Fortunately the question is based on a false premise.
4b One sure way to make racism worse is to accuse someone of being a racist simply because they don't share your political views or don't like the political views of someone who happens to be of a different race.
Another sure way to perpetuate racism is to elevate designated races to some special status and practice reverse discrimination.
Then of course there are the race-baiters in society who make their living perpetuating racism and the perception of it, even if it apparently no longer exists as a limiting factor to these elevated groups, as evidenced by the recent elections.
Racism did play a part in the election.. but the racism was perpetrated by the minority by their constant use of the race card.
5. Absolutely... It may not be just any single incident although it could be... as the victim of a crime may decide that all members of the perpetrators race are regarded with the same sense of revulsion as the victim has for the perpetrator... kind of a guilt by association thing.
Another way is to constantly accuse someone who is not racist of being racist based merely on the color of his skin.... i.e. only whites are racist... as certain of our institutions of higher learning are doing.
In the last year or so there have been incidents of innocent people being accused of crimes they didn't commit that had racial undertones, and each time the racebaiters appeared to denounce the racist white people for picking on the innocent blacks.... only to find out later that it was all a lie to begin with.
The racebaiters of course just faded back into the woodwork like the filthy cockroaches that they are without so much as an "ooops" for their mistake.
Then there is the really big one ... blaming the present generation for the events of the past that we had absolutely nothing to do with.... and wanting reparations for something that we never did.
I strongly suggest these people get over themselves and move on.
This whole economic problem began because of perceived racism. Some liberals got the bright idea that everyone had a right to a house, regardless of their ability to pay the mortgage.
We all see how well that turned out.
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@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
19 Jan 09
I second Kitty on this…
After I read Destiny’s response, I was like ‘wow’…especially the part he mentions about blaming the present for follies of the past and thereby carrying on the discrimination, the hatred, never really letting it fade away, you know.
I read and reread (Kitty, you’re again correct)
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• United States
19 Jan 09
A person as an adult can most certainly adopt a (racist) demener cause by an incident or event. My mother is a good example,she was gange raped by a local gang and since the incident has hated anyone with a dark skin.before this she was kind and caring to everyone.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
19 Jan 09
Hello Mistress_Lorraine,
I am truly sorry to learn of your Mother's ordeal. Her journey has been interrupted by a most terrible experience. I wish for her, and for your whole family the time needed for her to heal, the grace for her to restore her soul, and the patience for her to move through the healing process and emerge on the other side once again whole -- however long it may take.
I clearly understand how such a horrible experience could rip the fabric of the values that we may have once held dear. Thank you for sharing!
@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
19 Jan 09
Ladyluna,
I am sure you understand that this sensitive and profound topic has reflections in every society across the globe and not just USA. Racism is as old as human race itself and can never really be wished away. It has a lot to do with the way we perceive things and how they affect our personal lives. I have not been brought up the racist way, however I may yet become racist one day, I don’t know! In my sheltered existence, it would be very easy to say ‘I respect all’ but if situation demands, I may very well spread hatred against a particular race who I perceive to be taking away my bread! It might not be intentional, I maybe dying at the hands of my conscience, but survival of the fittest does matter and nobody wants to die without giving a fight! If its not me, then its my son or grandson or our children blah blah blah…its never about the entire world, its never about our neighbours. So the saga continues and the chariot of racism rolls on with its flags flying high
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
19 Jan 09
Hello Sudiptacallingu,
It's really nice to visit with you again!
You've presented a very instructional 'approach' to this topic, and for that I thank you. Indeed, it is impossible to know what will happen tomorrow. It is similarly impossible to predict how one will react to such happenstance.
You're also right in pointing out that racism begins and ends with the indivual, meaning that it is the individual who is truly empowered to make the greatest difference.
Lastly, I will laud your response for acknowleging what few seem willing to acknowledge -- racism is a fear-based reaction -- and is typically the result of a fear for survival. Hence the reason it is a force to be reckoned with!
Excellent points!
@Eskimo (2315)
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3 Feb 09
Deciding if someone is racist can be very difficult. Most people have pre-conceived ideas about colour, religion etc, and can find it very difficult to change. Is it racist to object to immigrants moving into an area, taking over it, even though they can't speak the language much (and don't make any effort to do so), have different ideas about behaviour (and don't bother to try and obey laws)?
I try not to be racist, it doesn't bother me if someone is a different colour than I am, however I can still feel afraid under certain circumstances (meeting a large group of people of another colour).
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
3 Feb 09
Hello Eskimo,
Great points! To your question I would have to answer in the negative. I do not believe that it is racist to object to specific behaviors. That is a causal determination, meaning that an action generates a reaction.
I do however believe that it would be racist if a person objected to the possibility of an immigrant moving in next door, before knowing anything about that immigrant. I believe that if our summaries are causal, that they cannot be deemed racist. They may be rational, or irrational. They may be reasonable or unreasonable. Though, if they are based on a level of personal knowlege then it is unreasonable to apply a racism tag. At least in my humble opinion, anyway.
Though, your response supports Guardian's excellent point. That point being: without a universally accepted definition of the term racism, it remains all but impossible to affect the offending practice.
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
18 Jan 09
1. Racism is to me the major block America faces being united as the most powerful nation on earth.
2. Yes anyone can be racist.
3. Racist are made NOT born.
4. I do not believe they are born that way.
5. Being made racist is a result of parental example, teaching, environment and lack of equality.
5. Yes
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
18 Jan 09
Hello Whiteheather,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts here. I'm intrigued by your definitive answer to number 5. Does a specific scenario or particular set of circumstances support your conclusive response to that question?
I have my own thoughts about what might prompt such an about-face, yet I'm much more interested in learing what the wise souls among the MyLot community think. Thanks again!
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
18 Jan 09
I based my response to item #5 on the change that can be caused by an adolescent or adult belonging to a church/religion/sect which advocates racial differences.
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@annjilena (5618)
• United States
19 Jan 09
racism isa person who have a problem with another race.yes you can be a racist regardless of your skin color.racism is not born because if you put baby in the same room together they don,t see raciam they just play together.i think racism is created by man.wow you have a lot of question here all i can say is iam not racist.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
19 Jan 09
Hello Annjilena,
Of course you're right, five questions in one is a bit of a stretch. Thank you for taking the time to ponder them and to share your thoughts on the topic.
F.Y.I. - I'm glad to learn that you are not racist. As well, I appreciate your mention that babes have zero sense of racism -- excellent point.
@drannhh (15219)
• United States
19 Jan 09
I think "racism" lies in a persona's actions, not in their words. I had a cousin at one time who had a husband who was a very nice person in all ways except one. He was always bad-mouthing people of color. It didn't matter which color, either, He wasn't a fair skinned fellow himself by any means, but if they were darker than him, he would make unpleasant remarks, and I ALWAYS used to contradict him as politely as possible, even though he was my elder, because to me, having to hear "racist" statements is a violation of my rights, as well as those of the people they are directed toward.
How can I say this? Well, one of my very best friends in the whole world was darker than him, and I knew I would not be able to keep them apart forever, so when I was much younger and cared more about such distinctions, I was quite concerned about what would happen one day when they found out about each other. As it turned out, we ended up being scheduled to take a two-week trip together, just the four of us on some business.
What happened? They LIKED each other. They worked together beautifully. They spent personal time together after work, voluntarily. When the trip was over my cousin's husband had tears in his eyes when he said good bye to the fellow we thought he was going to hate and mistreat. He didn't want the good times they were having to end.
You see, cousin's husband didn't hate any particular person. He hated a stereotype. He mistrusted strangers. But on a one to one level, face to face, person to person, he was egalitarian. So I believe that we need to work to eradicate unfair stereotypes, but I think it is equally important to avoid overreacting to surface stuff, and to never ever play the "race card" unless there is some truly overriding reason to have to do so. Why? Because seeking to benefit by bullying back against a group based on the perception that they started the bullying always backfires somehow somewhere sometime. In my view it is better for people to meet each other and work together and play together and learn to be friends on on one and to try to force friend-like behavior on someone who is perceived as a mortal enemy. You can't make a person like somebody else, but a friendship that happens naturally, without undue pressure is like one brick in a pyramid. It can stand forever, and overcome much.
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@syankee525 (6261)
• United States
18 Jan 09
ok i am not going to type alot i did once it didn't go through.
people who racest are tought by parents, family or friends. people who don't like any other who are different. you can't be born racest, you are taught.
too me there is too much hate in this word as it is. we need more love, less hate. when people stop seeing the world as white race and black race and see it for the human race.
people often don't understand will hate
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@shalli17here (627)
• Indonesia
19 Jan 09
1. racism - up the eyebrows with a sharp cynical smile at the edge of our lips, when we saw some1 or some people with a current race, current fashion like a moslemah fashion, current skin color, etc..and ignoring that they also a human with feelings too.
2. yes, any1 can..specially if that person is being arrogant to others n see themself as the good one.
3. made..coz if we want to, we can realize that its wrong and we can avoid of being a racist, n start respecting others for who they really are.
4. start respecting others, stop being selfish, stop to think that we're not one of them coz we're good and they're bad just because their skin color are different than us, coz its absolutely wrong ! there so many good people eventhough they're black and there are so many bad people too eventhough they're white..so stop differ people based on their religion or skin color, etc.
5. im lost with the question, sorry lol
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
19 Jan 09
Hello Shalli,
From your answer to #2 it would seem that you similarly embrace a broader definition of racism. If I had to hazard a guess, I would imagine that most people share that broader definition that AngrierKitty referenced in her discussion. Perhaps the reality is that we Humans so infrequently have honest discussions about racism that the point has gotten lost to political correctness. Any thoughts on that?
Your answer to #1 is so much bigger than the confines of this discussion. Though, I will offer up that if a particular fashion, moniker, identifyer, or behavior is generally accepted to be an indication of a particular behavior, then it would be foolish for people to ignore it. For example: If a "skinhead" has a swastika tattooed on his forehead, wouldn't it be foolish to ignore the intended meaning of that "skinhead's" outward portrayal to the world? If a gang of thugs adopt Genghis Khan as their hero, and effort themselves to emulate that imperialist, thug mentality by dressing like Khan's warriors and engaging in all manner of brutal behaviors, wouldn't it be foolish to ignore it if we stumbled upon someone dressed like Ghengis Khan?
I'm reminded of a time when my nieces lived with me. The gang reality in the local high school was for certain members of a certain gang to wear t-shirts with the image of Our Lady of Guadalupe depicted on them, and to wear hairnets over their hair. When one of my nieces came home sporting a Our Lady of Guadalupe t-shirt, my reaction was immediate. "Get rid of it now, before harm comes to you by those who might misinterpret your participation with that, or any gang."
It is not wise to ignore what is right before our eyes!
@bamboo_eee (80)
• India
19 Jan 09
Racism should have been vanished if we are not talking about that..... Peoples use to tease one an other but it wont became a big issue... When we name it as racism it tends to became a big issue.
@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
19 Jan 09
Hello Bamboo_eee,
I'm not sure that I'm understanding your points.
Are you saying that if we didn't discuss racism that it would go away?
Are you saying that what used to be light-hearted jeering is today being blown out of proportion by calling it racism?
I really can't respond because I am sincerly unclear about your meaning. Would you please clarify?