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You Don't Defeat the US Military on the Battlefield...
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
January 22, 2009 4:38pm CST
I don't know who said it first, but I have often repeated it:
"You don't defeat the US military on the battlefield, that can only be accomplished on the floor of the House of Representatives and the Senate."
Today I have to add to that quote...
"and the Oval Office".
Today, Prs. Obama defeated the US military for Al Qeada, the Taliban and other anti Western terrorist groups.
The Propaganda front is an important aspect of any war. The incompetent press and the US left have made it a point to make sure that every bit of terrorist propaganda is as effective as they can make it. On the other hand, they work so hard to downplay any propaganda from the US and coalition that even the facts can't get through.
Well done! Congratulations to Al Qeada, the Taliban and all other terrorists sworn to the downfall of western culture. Congratulations to their propagandists who learned a lesson from the US in Vietnam.
Blame the US for everything, even things done by the enemies of the US. Make everything seem like a crime, even things that the left considered heroic in past wars. Fill the press with every video or tape made by terrorist leaders, but shout down anything made by the US in support of the war effort.
Prs. Obama is closing the Detainee Prison in Guantanimo Bay, Cuba. He is bowing to the demands of those who kill US troops. He said he would meet with the enemies of the US without conditions. Today he went one further, he didn't bother meeting with them, he just jumped straight to unconditional surrender in this battle of the war.
And now he admits he has no idea what to do with the detainees. He has decided that it's not his job to make that decision, but has given the US Military a year to come up with a plan.
Nice job Presient barrack HUSSEIN obama.
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@freethinkingagent (2501)
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23 Jan 09
A sad day for our uniformed men and women, I guess we will just have to take no prisoners. 
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
23 Jan 09
[b]AMEN! Now here is a person after my own heart!
Maggiepie[/b]
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
23 Jan 09
I forget the name, but a North Vietnamese general was interviewed by the Wall Street Journal some years later. He was asked some years later if the antiwar effort in the U.S. had helped the North at all. His answer was that it was essential . Not only did it encourage them, but he and his coliegues knew well the effect it had on the political efforts againt the war and the moral of the U.S. troops.
Ok, now on to Guantanimo. I have actualy been against the idea of guananimo itself, but, lacking any other viable option, we didn't have a lot of choice. What I am oposed to ADAMENTLY, is the introduction of the detainees in to the United States court and judicial and penal system. Although I admit, I get a giggle in imagining these people being placed in the middle of the population of a maximum security prison full of rapists, mass murderers, child molesters and other bottom feeding reptiles to prey upon said detainees, who were sure they had seen the worst america had to offer in prison before they left guantanimo, It introduces a host of other more complex problems.
First, we already have an over clogged justice system.
Second, Once in the court system, things happen like technicalities, lawyers, that ammount mosquitos with a brief cases, use technicalities and gullable bleeding heart judges to allow people to roam free, you really want these people wandering around our neighborhood?
Third, there is ZERO legal remedies that allow for the detainees contained in Guantanimo to be granted full constitutional consideration, these are hostile enemy fighters captured on a battlefield not fighting under a national flag or uniform, so not even the Geneva convention applies.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
23 Jan 09
True, Xfahctor, in every respect, the left has imposed a standard on the US that can't possibly be met. But of course, that is one of the tricks of the propaganda trade.
Yes, as much as I respect the right of all Americans to protest a war, it does get used against us and our troops.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
26 Jan 09
US is no doubt the most powerful country, and its prez the most powerful man. The rest of the world is, I think, grateful to the US for many things. But regarding this war of terror, I am afraid, many people think US has not got things right. Attack on Iraq was a mistake since they did not possess WMD. The world objected to the attack through UN, but US chose a different route. Since it's the sole superpower no country really challenged the move.
Dethroning the Taliban was a different matter cos they were also responsible to 9/11. However, if US had not employed radical muslims to win the Cold War things would have been different. Even if it had taken the support the such muslims if it had put things in order as it moved out things would have been different. Even now the tacit support it gives to Israel when Palestianians were attacked would not go down so well with the Islamic world.
I think to tame the Muslims in Afghanistan US needs to help Pakistan build itself as a strong democratic nation. Can Islam embrace liberal democracy? I think US can start with Pakistan. Morevoer because it is a nuclear weapon armed nation.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
26 Jan 09
But how does the US help Pakistan when they have so openly allowed terrorists to hide in their nation and stage attacks over the Afghan/Pakistan border?
If Pakistan cooperated with the US, Obama wouldn't be able to enjoy safe haven in their country.
@headhunter525 (3548)
• India
27 Jan 09
Helping the Pakistan destroy fundamentalist Muslim, I think, is easier said than done. However, I feel the need is to promote moderate Islam. And that will require winning their confidence. Injecting in money, if need be, to help this people. Helping the madrasa modernice. Spread democratic values to the people.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
23 Jan 09
[b]Obama is proving to be every bit the radical leftist we Conservatives knew he was, from the get-go. He's disgusting. I sincerely doubt the U.S.S. A. will recover, at least, not in a couple of lifetimes, IF ever.
It just makes me weep for our founders, what they went through to give us the freest nation on the planet, ever, & the left has thrown it all away.
Kruschev was right, dammit. We bought enough rope to hang ourselves.
All because so few had the foresight to stop the Leftists before they got enough power to overthrow the U.S.A. This stupid lack of vision has killed our freedom.
Maggiepie[/b] 
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
23 Jan 09
If there is one thing Johnson, Nixon, Carter and Clinton proved to me, it is that no president can destroy the nation.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
25 Jan 09
ParaTed2k wrote:
If there is one thing Johnson, Nixon, Carter and Clinton proved to me, it is that no president can destroy the nation.
[b]Well, Ted, no single man or woman can, but then, the leftists have managed to dilute our culture & laws & all other systems so much that one such empty suit such as Nobama can do it, because we're not dealing with a single person, but a host of committed Leftists. All Nobama must do is be the perfect figurehead, while the far Left does all the real labor below him, & the media, especially, keep the truth from the people.
Then, in return, he & his Leftest cohorts in Congress CAN change the country enough to defeat it.
It can happen, & in fact, already has, in places such as Canada, England, & to some extent, in Australia.
Keep your eyes open, my brother. Try not to let them get away with AN-Y-THING. If any single president can kill our nation, this guy is in the perfect position to do so, by executive orders, censorship, & a complete sweep of the Supreme Court's ranks with Leftists.
What I'm telling you is that we're on the sharp edge of going completely Socialist, but even now, if ENOUGH people fight back, we could reverse it. I'm not a total defeatist, just a hyper-aware realist.
Maggiepie[/b]
@joniebee (182)
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23 Jan 09
You say that there is no way the US military can lose on the battlefield,Wrong,The US lost the war in Vietnam,And got a good hiding,Just because you have the most money and weapons,Big deal,I am British and i believe we have the best soldiers in the world,So if we had your money and means we would beat you in a war,Also there are numerous country's in the world with much bigger armies than that of the US.And what about China,I reckon they would also kick your butt's,So i think youre a bit deluded.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
23 Jan 09
The US did not lose on the battlefield in Vietnam. We lost that war on the floor of the House, the Senate and mainstreet USA.
@ilgattofelice99 (192)
• Chile
23 Jan 09
I find your comments one of the reasons the world is in such a terrible states. Closed minded people like you on BOTH sides are what is making the unwinable wars currently going on in the world. The war on terror is UNWINABLE with weapons alone. If you keep killing people´s family, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, of course they are going to attack you back. Do you think you can just go around killing innocent people without consequences?
That said I would like to say I am 100% against terrorists as well, they are the most disgusting people that exist. At some point somebody needs to forgive and make a step forward.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
25 Jan 09
The whole point of my article was that no war can be won by weapons alone.
Forgiveness if for the pentanent. You aren't asking that we forgive, you are asking that we simply lay back and take whatever the terrorists do to us.
@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
25 Jan 09
[b]Oh, please. Get real. This isn't about "forgiveness," it's about whether the U.S & places who have our interests at heart in the world are to be made safe from hate-crazed terrorists--people who have vowed to wipe out Western Civilization, & replace it with the harshest so-called religion ever devised--radical, "fundamentalist" Islam! People who strap bombs to their innocent children & use them to murder others! People who send their children to school to LEARN HOW TO HATE US. Got that?!? 
WE do not AIM for civilians to kill, as they do; they excuse themselves for unrepentantly doing exactly that by calling innocent deaths of even their OWN people "martyrs!"
And as for "weapons alone" being all we have, you must not have ANY newspapers or internet or radio or TV where you are, or maybe it's just censored? There are COUNTLESS examples of us doing GOOD for people in countries we must fight, for the civilians! Food! Shelter! Medical care! Guarding the civilians when possible! Rebuilding their infrastructure!
Meanwhile, by glaringly obvious contrast, Hamas, e.g., throws bombs into Israel's civilian neighborhoods where NO Israeli military camps are, while putting their OWN innocents in danger by firing from amongst where they LIVE!
If you can't bother to educate yourself on the FACTS, then don't come here. You don't deserve to debate unless you know the facts!
Maggiepie[/b]
WE do not AIM for civilians to kill, as they do; they excuse themselves for unrepentantly doing exactly that by calling innocent deaths of even their OWN people "martyrs!"
And as for "weapons alone" being all we have, you must not have ANY newspapers or internet or radio or TV where you are, or maybe it's just censored? There are COUNTLESS examples of us doing GOOD for people in countries we must fight, for the civilians! Food! Shelter! Medical care! Guarding the civilians when possible! Rebuilding their infrastructure!
Meanwhile, by glaringly obvious contrast, Hamas, e.g., throws bombs into Israel's civilian neighborhoods where NO Israeli military camps are, while putting their OWN innocents in danger by firing from amongst where they LIVE!
If you can't bother to educate yourself on the FACTS, then don't come here. You don't deserve to debate unless you know the facts!
Maggiepie[/b] @reciporkate (37)
• United States
22 Jan 09
Guantanimo was closed because of the attrocities that were committed everyday there. If the US is to serve as an example to the rest of the world, we cannot illegally detain and torture our 'enemies.' This was in no way a bow to terrorists, it was a step forward in human rights!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
23 Jan 09
No "attrocities" were committed "everyday" at all. In fact, even the defamed "waterboarding" was only done to a handful of people.
The fact is, the detainees at Gitmo have enjoyed a higher standard of living than any of the POWs in any war in our history... including "the good war" WWII.
It's ironic, we were considered examples of virtue and humanitarians for our treatment of Enemy Prisoners of War (EPWs) in Desert Storm where a camp was literally a few tents in the middle of the desert.
It's all propaganda, and Prs. Obama handed a victory to the terrorists in the propaganda front of this war.
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