What would you do if someone posted a bad/broken english to your discussion?
By Homedad
@Homedad (166)
United Arab Emirates
January 23, 2009 2:54pm CST
I don't know if some of you already encountered posts that are very difficult to understand because they are broken english or has wrong grammar and/or incorrect spellings.
If I do encounter one, I would politely suggest to the poster to use Google translator if he/she is having difficulty in english.
How about you? Please share your ideas on how to handle this circumstance.
PS. This is a part of my community wide campaign to improve understanding of the Terms and Guidelines by the members.
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47 responses
@loveyevi (513)
• United States
23 Jan 09
I have to admit I am not very keen on people using broken English on my discussions. But this is an international community and that is what makes it so great and everyone has the right to their own opinions. If I cannot understand what they are trying to get across many times I will just ignore it, or try to glean what I can from the response and respond back to them in the best way I can. Hope this helps answer your question.
@Homedad (166)
• United Arab Emirates
23 Jan 09
Well its a good sign that you are not looking down to those people that are not well versed with the english language. And yes, being an international community you will definitely encounter one. I think ignoring them will not improve them at all so better at least try to respond the best you can as I am sure they will be most happier to get a response.
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@Homedad (166)
• United Arab Emirates
23 Jan 09
I did have a good suggestion from Jenaisle below by using PM to tell them some ways to improve their english but it is still broad as we still don't know what is that " some ways ".
I agreed with her that we must use PM instead of posting directly as a respond. That way it will not embarass the poster to improve his english.
But the question is what should we tell him/her to make sure that he/she will take the comment constructively?
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@Homedad (166)
• United Arab Emirates
23 Jan 09
Yes! Amazing. See there it is.
This is probably the best response that we are waiting for. Thank you so very dearly dawnald.
The kindest and best positive approach.
I will definitely remember this one for the rest of my life.
I hope many members will stumble upon this response and use it to help those people who are not fortunate enough to learn the english language.
With high appreciation to you dawnald.
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@Lindalinda (4111)
• Canada
24 Jan 09
It depends on where the people are from and whether or not English is their second language. I really admire some people from countries whose language and alphabet are so different and who try so very bravely to partake in discussions in this forum. They are so serious and want to improve their English. I must say I get irritated with people whose mother tongue is English and who use bad grammar and street talk. I have corrected a few but have than been told off by others. It is actually against the guidelines to critisize people's grammar and spelling and rightly so. The only remarks I make now if people use texting conventions. I don't think that is appropriate in a forum.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
24 Jan 09
I agree with you 100%. I also get irritated by users when English is their mother tongue but NOT with foreigners who are trying to improve their command of English.
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@salonga (27775)
• Philippines
24 Jan 09
It's okay with me. I appreciate those who are trying their best to respond despite English problem. Bad English is not an issue to me. I in fact do appreciate especially if the thought anyway is good. What is more offensive to me are trolls around here who speak in slang and with what they say good English and yet are very impolite and are fond of contradicting opinions and have the habit of butting in in the responses of others.
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@Jenaisle (14078)
• Philippines
23 Jan 09
No one is perfect , even famous writers commit mistakes. And it is very clear in the community guidelines that comments such as you mentioned should never be ridiculed or discriminated on. The best way is to help them improve by sending a PM to give some ways for them to improve their English. If you're in their country, they would probably listen to you performing a broken language speech or not even knowing one word of their language. Cheers and God bless.
@rizzu87 (860)
• Malaysia
23 Jan 09
English is an international language and people all around try to write good english. I mean they try their level best. Here on mylot most people do not use really bad english, we can understand what they are trying to say. So i think we should not break their heart by recommending them to a translator or something. Just post them a comment that thank you very much for your response. That type of people would be around 3% here not more than that.
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@tdemex (3540)
• United States
23 Jan 09
I agree 100% this site has been going on for a long time and I thought it odd that this would become a big deal, to some people or person? We've been doin' good and I've never seen anyone that has trouble with the language protesting the way they've been treated.It's kinda like the saying goes if it ain't broke don't fix it! Or if you don't like the movie,switch the channel. Mabe you could find a site that doesn't allow people with bad language skills and you'd be more comfortable? I'm done here! tdemex
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@Homedad (166)
• United Arab Emirates
23 Jan 09
@ rizzu
Yeah I think a thank you would be an acceptable response. But what if he/she is asking a question that does not merit a thank you response.
Ex. He/she ask about what should I do to make me write in english better in a bad/broken english that you cannot possibly understand?
Anyway, I hope somebody can give the best one soon.
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@Jellen (1852)
• United States
24 Jan 09
I'm ok with broken English or poor grammar on responses, especially if the person has something significant to say. I would feel nervous about posting in a second language if I had to in order to contribute or make money. I think about how a dollar in some countries is so much more pay, than we view a dollar in America.
If my monthly salary were 100 dollars, and MyLot allwed me to earn another 20 dollars per month, that would be a 20% salary increase coming into my home. For that reason, I can understand why some members, even with their broken English, are busy on MyLot.
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@explorations (1712)
• United States
24 Jan 09
This has happened a few times in my discussions or in comments to responses I've posted to discussions, but it's never really happened enough for me to raise an eyebrow at the situation. I think they're doing pretty good (from what I can see), so it hasn't been an issue with the posts I've seen. I haven't been back to the site for very long (came back during the first week of the month), so my opinon could change as times goes on.
@izathewzia (5134)
• Philippines
24 Jan 09
I will understand. Because I myself is not that good when it comes to English proficiency. I will rather encourage the person to continue posting to improve it. Because when we constantly communicating in English we develop it later on.
@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
23 Jan 09
On this part of the Guidelines it is very easy and clear as to what we are suppose to do.
In the Guidelines in the don'ts it states:
(Don't) Post discussions, responses or comments criticizing members for bad/broken English or bad spelling. Everyone is welcome at myLot, we have users from all around the world and they are welcome regardless of their proficiency with the English Language.
I admire very much those that are not top of the class in the English language but choose to come here and join in the fun. I doubt whether I would have the courage to go and write in a different language if it was not my own.
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
23 Jan 09
I don't want to sound offish but I would like to suggest something else
It appears that you are a new user. The best way to make yourself familiar with myLot and see how others deal with situations is to use myLot yourself. It is usual to respond here and there on some other users disucssions, make a few friends and see what goes on. While doing this you will also see how others 'deal' with the situation you describe.
Among my friends here I have users like the ones you describe. I have never told them to use a translator or anything else I have tried to understand them, what they were trying to say and then I responded in the plainest English I could in order that they understood. That's how we became friends
When you are more familiar with the site, the users and all that goes on I think you will have no reason to even think of posing such questions.
Good luck and Happy Lotting!
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
23 Jan 09
I responded above what I would do.
If you saw what you say you saw and were not happy with it you are aware of how to deal with it too.
MyLot is for having fun. I hope you will find some fun topics to have fun on too!
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@Homedad (166)
• United Arab Emirates
23 Jan 09
Actually I posted this such question because earlier I have read a discussion from another member how they criticized these people with bad/broken english. I saw you participated there too. I find most of the response there is " I can't understand what they are talking about so let's just IGNORE them ". Some actually make fun of them.
Should we do something to help them improve? or we just ignore them?
I would definitely choose the first one.
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@tdemex (3540)
• United States
23 Jan 09
For your 44th post your pretty judgmental aren't ya? Gosh when I first started I just went with the flow.Ya sure that bugged me at first,but then as the others have mentioned it became clear to me that there are alot of other people here besides Americans. I also thought of what would motivate those to do this and now realize how hard they are trying to make a few extra bucks and improve their English. What a great tool Mylot is for them.I know it is for me,it improves my spelling and keeps my typing skills at a good rate,I'm not here for the $$$ as it seems many are! Have a good time here and loosen up a little! tdemex
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@Homedad (166)
• United Arab Emirates
23 Jan 09
@ tdemex
I would like to request for some suggestion from you also as what we could possibly do to manage this situation as my suggestion was objected.
How about asking them to rephrase their question to a simple and more understandable one?
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@jazel_juan (15746)
• Philippines
24 Jan 09
well i do not mind it actually i just try to understand it and appreciate, atleast they are trying to speak or write in english..and they are trying more to learn how to write it fluently
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@funtasy (98)
• Malaysia
24 Jan 09
well, ahem... i am the one of them using broken english, but i haven't get complain from anyone, maybe they just ignore or they think still can understand my english easyly.
that's right if you don't have a good skill of any language , can easyly using translate tool's to when make a post. but that's nothing help in grammar. for me, i still learning and try to improve my english skill. tha't very important , sometime's will make wrong understanding because the bad comunicate.
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@Homedad (166)
• United Arab Emirates
24 Jan 09
Yes your English is fine and understandable. I'm happy that you are doing your best to improve yourself and keep it up. Don't get discouraged if you encounter someone who may correct you but instead welcome it and learn.
Thanks and you are always welcome to participate in my future discussions and let's help each other improve our English.
@ranviruchauhan (1407)
• India
24 Jan 09
Well , i dont care about hw's english of others.This is the site for everyone who can publish their view. I m very thankful to person who is responding my discussion not hw his/her english is. Even i m not 100% in my english.
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@ronaldinu (12422)
• Malta
25 Jan 09
One of the rules in mylot is not to make comments on other people's English command of the language. I would not take the initiative myself to let the other user know what I really think about him however if I am asked yes than I will do it in a private manner.
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@sid556 (30959)
• United States
24 Jan 09
Many here are from other countries. I don't mind the broken english as long as I am able to understand what they are saying and usually I can. I know they could use the translater but many of them are trying to improve upon the language by using it and it seems a translater would hinder that. More bothersome to me is the heavy slang and deliberate misspells of many words by someone whose native language is english.
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@Homedad (166)
• United Arab Emirates
24 Jan 09
Thanks for your participation sid556.
Deliberate misspells by native English language speakers is another issue to tackle. Maybe on the next discussion that I will raise I will ask suggestions on how to handle those group effectively.
By the way if you haven't read what I think is the kindest and best positive approach, please try to visit post no. 8
@thorgrym (675)
• United States
24 Jan 09
Broken English is always going to appear in any international forum. I applaud the people that know English well enough to write here at all. I would struggle were the tables turned requiring me to write in a language other than English. While bad grammar/spelling can make a post hard to read (impossible, at times), I don't have any problem with it. In fact, the Do's and Don'ts of myLot discussions specifically state that we are not to:
"Post discussions, responses or comments criticizing members for bad/broken English or bad spelling. Everyone is welcome at myLot, we have users from all around the world and they are welcome regardless of their proficiency with the English language."
Honestly, I prefer the broken English to 'text-speak.' I don't mind the 'LOL' or the 'ROFL' or smileys, those don't really bother me. It's the 'ur' instead of typing out 'you are' and other things like that. If you cannot get through a post - or even one sentence - without seeing multiple examples of text-speak, there is a problem.
myLot is not an exchange of text messages, it is a discussion forum. The fact that money is a reward for posting seems to cause some people to post short, quickly composed answers and topics.
As to what I do when I encounter these things...Well, it depends on how bad the individual post is. If I can make sense of it, I will respond to it. If I cannot read it or comprehend it at all, I just leave it alone and move on.
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@thorgrym (675)
• United States
24 Jan 09
I didn't mean to call out this discussion as being against the guidelines. I just added that to make my point that I don't react negatively to the less-than-intelligible posts other than to simply not respond to them if I cannot understand them.
I apologize if it came across like me calling you out as being against TOS with this discussion. I do realize the intent which is why I replied at all. I am all for making myLot a more enjoyable experience for everyone.
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@Homedad (166)
• United Arab Emirates
24 Jan 09
Very much agreed thorgrym.
Broken English is better than Text speak as broken English are done with more effort to it.
I would like also to share another approach at post no. 8 please try to visit it.
PS.
The objective of this discussion is to find out how to effectively manage and help them when we encounter one and not criticize them, so I think this discussion is fine.
@Porcospino (31366)
• Denmark
24 Jan 09
My English is not perfect and it is not my first language, so I am not the right person to critize grammar mistakes or bad English. When someone responds to my discussion and the post is full of grammar mistakes or spelling mistakes I definately appreciate the response. If I don't understand the post the first time I will just read it twice or more and eventually I will understand the meaning. If I simply don't understand (and that hasn't happended yet) I will ask the member to explain it again. The reason why I really appreciate posts written in broken English is that I know that the person has spent time on writing the response and that (s)he has done it despite the fact that English isn't easy for him/her. It is so much easier and faster to write in your own language, you don't need a dictionary etc, and I am happy that people respond to my discussion even if they need to spend a lot of time on writing compared to a native speaker.
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@Homedad (166)
• United Arab Emirates
25 Jan 09
Hi Porcospino. Same here, English is not my first language but I would like to share what I learned and help them. Anyway, I got a best response at post no. 8 stating to try and paraphrase the post and ask him/her if that is what he/she meant. I will do that in case I encounter the circumstance. And yes I agree that those who try even their English is not perfect must be appreciated and not ignored.
Thanks your the participation.
@aisaellis22 (6445)
• United States
24 Jan 09
Hello Homedad! I am not a native english speaker that's why I am trying my best that my english would be understandable to others. I know how hard it is especially for those person who are just learning. I don't mind actually if someone responded to my discussion with broken english. I tried my best to understand and comment back to them.
What you did is right, actually. I don't think you offend someone. It seems like a nice idea too that you told them to do it. At least they know what to do.