Ok silly question for you knowledgeable Political friends
By Aingealicia
@Aingealicia (1905)
United States
January 29, 2009 5:03pm CST
If I am not mistaken and I have been known to be wrong and will promptly admit it when I know I am, the house and the senate here are both Democratic houses right now in the Congress. My question is this. As Mr. Obama is now President and a Democrat, with a full house and senate that are Democratic, how will every bill he chooses to support and pass stand a chance of being questioned or voted out?
What happens in this case where both houses are Dems and the President is a Dem? I would hope our leaders of this United States will vote because of the bill and not their party, but that is not always the case.
As always, thank you in advance for your answers.
Ainge
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14 responses
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
29 Jan 09
Unfortunately our current party system has it so that the democrats can ram their agenda through, at least in the house. The stimulus bill, which is really a pork bill, was rammed through the house with every republican and eleven democrats opposing it. In the senate there are just enough republicans (41) that if everyone of them opposes a bill, it will be stopped since a 2/3 majority is required. However, they can not block the confirmation of appointees, even if the appointee for Treasury Secretary evaded paying his taxes for years until nominated for this position.
Basically this means that the republicans in the house are powerless, and the republicans in the senate, when united, have the power to slow things down, but not much else.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
30 Jan 09
The Senate only needs 51 votes to pass. 60 would prevent a filibuster. Remember when Clinton's economic plan was passed by Vice President Gore casting the tie-breaking vote? Two-thirds is needed for a Constitutional Amendment before it goes to the individual states, if I'm not mistaken.
Annie
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
29 Jan 09
They are both under Dem rule now. In the senate though, they need a 2/3 majority to pass bills. Currently Democrats have 58 seats, Republicans have 41, and the Franken/Coleman battle in Minnesota will determine who gets the remaining seat. So long as Republicans have over a third of the seats, they can block bills from being passed. I keep hearing people say that 60 would be a supermajority for the dems, but 6/10 is not 2/3 so that just doesn't match up in my mind.
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@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
29 Jan 09
Taskr,
Wow, you responded, thank you. I thought both the house and senate were Dem rule now.
If I understand correctly, admittedly on this one I am clueless (little busy on that GitMo case), that means the Dems are in control of everything. How is this fair to the American Republic? Shouldn't we question this?
As I stated above, I have already been affected by some of the bills.
Ainge
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@snowy22315 (180870)
• United States
29 Jan 09
Nothing is ever certain with the passage of legislation but Obama has a good chance of getting his bills passed when they are presented to Congress with the Democratic majoriy in the House and the sentate. it is very good for him indeed. I think it will help him to be an effectieve president.
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@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
29 Jan 09
Snowy, out of respect I will keep my mouth shut on Obama being an "effective President".
The problem is his bills did pass and I am seeing the negative effect.
Ainge
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@gogogadgethd (36)
• United States
30 Jan 09
If getting all the bills passed made him an 'effective president', our founding fathers would've just not made the House and the Senate, because it would be more 'effective' if the president passed whatever he wanted. Is that what you are trying to say?
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@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
30 Jan 09
gogogadgethd,
I am sorry, you know nothing of me or what I write about but you deserve this comment. Research, research, research. Even when it comes to the people you are trying to bash.
16 is a wonderful age of dreams. If only I were that age again. No I am not dissing your age but your knowledge and ability to understand where someone is coming from. It is wisdom here not age.
Aingealicia
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
30 Jan 09
There are definitely two sides to this. Our government was meant to run on a system of checks and balances with both parties having a say. Unfortunately, in the past this has more often then not led to stalemate where nothing gets done. Obama definitely has a better chance than many presidents of getting his legislature approved and if it's the right legislature, we'll be okay. No doubt the situation will change in the next four years and there will be a more Republican congress so he has to act now. Whether or not Obama stays will depend on his first four years.
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@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
30 Jan 09
So let's say Mr. Obama does well, do you think the parties will change in 2 years or will it stay the same?
Thanks for answering.
Ainge
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
30 Jan 09
Excelent question miss. I see a number of people have responded already and given you sufficiant ifnormation, but I'll toss my $0.02 in anyways. The short answer is, the democratic party pretty much has free run of the place. Even the two independants usualy side woth the democrats because they both caucus with them. Republicans can still fillibuster but it doesn't usualy happen. there are also a few democrats, like Kucinich, who will sometimes side with the republicans on some things.
The only thing one can hope is, as you pointed out, that they vote on a bill and not a party line. Unfortunatly, it doesn't usualy happen. preasure from party leaders and members, lobbyists, etc.
Being a member of neither of the two big box parties, I am of the mind we need to fire the whole lot. Both parties are destroying this country and neither represent the people anymore or the constitution. But a nation of sheep continualy vote in one of the same two parties over and over again and somehow, with a straight face, manage to call it "change"
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@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
30 Jan 09
Beautifully said. Thank you. I do hope you check out my other post so you see where I stand.
Thanks,
Ainge
@p1kef1sh (45681)
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30 Jan 09
I don't pretend to have a good handle on US politics Ainge. But if you want to see what a one party overwhelming majority can do to a country just look at Britain. Of course being able to vote in a majority is what democracy is all about surely. But just to be on the safe side. The should be a war criminal Blair abolished the hereditary upper house and replaced the incumbents with people of his own choosing who were all of his political party. Funny thing politics.
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@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
30 Jan 09
I was afraid you were going to say that. That was my gut feeling on this one. There are a lot of things that are not sitting well in my 'reporters' gut.
I hope that Annie is right and this set of leaders will vote their mind not their party, I also hope Mr. Obama will lead well as well. We will see, but it is just like the Northern Irish politics...Yes politics are a funny, funny thing.
I know a few more that could join blair on his trials for war crimes, can you take a guess who?
Thanks so much for your honest response.
Ainge
@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
3 Mar 09
Too funny, I just saw your response. Yes you would be correct now add the other two side kicks and you get an eggrole.
Ainge
@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
29 Jan 09
Well, they pretty much can pass everything that doesn't need a 2/3 majority vote in the senate. The Republicans can vote no in the House as they did with the stimulus plan, even 11 democrats did, it still passed without a problem. And yes, sometimes the party whip pretty much seeks to align them all behind a bill that's deemed crucial. They have two years to push through as many bills that fits their agenda. The next election can change the mix dramatically and will show whether the voters have been happy with what our current leadership has decided.
My guess is that few bills will be questioned or voted out. Not at least until it's campaign season and voter sentiment has changed.
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@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
30 Jan 09
I truly only hope they will vote their minds and hearts I think...hehe. As I have been reading you are correct. I always worry when one house is dominant over the other.
Ainge
@laglen (19759)
• United States
29 Jan 09
Your right and it is very partisan now The dems have no desire to work with the Rep because they don't need the votes. They would prefer to have rep vote with them, then when it all falls apart, they can say, well we ALL supported it.
@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
30 Jan 09
I did not support this, my freedoms are on the line here.
Ainge
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
30 Jan 09
He will get every bill passed, because the whole senate and congress are Democrats. In most cases, the president is one party while the house is made up of part of his party and the other, as well as the senate, thus making only the bills that everyone agrees with getting approved. However now since the senate, congress, and the president are all one party, everything they want will be approved.
And America as you know it will no longer exist.
@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
30 Jan 09
Suspenseful,
How true I know your words are and how I fear them. You will understand better when you read my other works. they are in Writer and Mother.
Ainge
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
30 Jan 09
I would also hope each of our leaders would vote for each individual bill on its merits and the heck with what the rest of their party or the other party thinks but it often doesn't work out that way. Right now the Democrats have more power than they have for years and only time will tell if it turns out to be a good thing or not. My personal belief, being fairly liberal, is that it will be better than most of Bush's Presidency when the GOP had all three branches - the White House, both Houses of Congress and the Supreme Court. I think the most important thing is that both sides get their voices heard and in my opinion I think it's up to both parties to prove to the people who hired them - US, the voters - that they're not just playing party games and follow the leader. They should all be prepared to tell their constituents why they voted for or against whatever bill is in question and not just "Because the House Speaker told me to" or "Because Rush said I should". It's fine to share an opinion with someone else but I want to know my Representative and my Senators' personal view on why they voted as they did and why it's in my best interest.
Often when on party has a big majority the next election means some "House"cleaning will be done. That's why it's a good thing the House members are all up for election every two years. If the voters are dissatisfied they'll change things in two years! Sometimes they're unhappy that nothing got done and sometimes they're unhappy too much got done! Time will tell how it turns out this time.
Annie
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@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
30 Jan 09
Annie,
As I have said, I hope you are correct with Mr. Obama (ok I can't say the President title, please forgive me there.) I would hope all parties would support the people who give them an income but it seems that is not the agreeable thing right now. I am personaly waiting for a revolution, a revolt; not because of Mr. Obama but bushes nightmares.
Yes, you are correct it is all about time here.
Ainge
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
30 Jan 09
Unfortunately, since the democratic party is in charge of the Congress and the Executive branch, almost any legislation they want passed will pass without problem. The Republicans can only sit back and let themselves get steamrolled. I'm not looking forward to the next few years - it's going to be a rough ride.
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@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
30 Jan 09
Yes and I will not mention who started that dang steamrolling...Thank you for your response. That is what I thought.
Ainge
@DCMerkle (1281)
• United States
30 Jan 09
Aingealicia,
What I have to say is somethng that puts me between a rock and a hard place, but the way I look at it is that if you take away the title of all the parties what you are still left with is the ability to make ones own decision on any bill. There will come a bill that not all the democats will agree with just as not all the republicans will agree with. It all comes down to the flip of a coin in politics. At this point in President Obama's administrations because of the last 8 years of republican rule, anything goes as it did with the Bush administration. Like I said, the flip of a coin.
DCMerkle
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@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
30 Jan 09
Good point but as many have said above, they often will vote with their party, not their mind it seems. I know things can change in two years but that two years, no matter how well Mr. Obama does do his best to make these bills fair, there will still be an effect on the United States and the world. As we saw with the budget and the worlds finanicial hit.
I do really hope that things will not go badly but there are a few ripples in the water already with some of the bills that have already been passed. Those ripples are going to become waves.
Thanks,
Ainge
@Ratris (79)
• Indonesia
30 Jan 09
Obama's victory. Is it achievement or miracle? What a phenomenon beginning this year. Nothing else, except Obama's victory be the first president from American black (may I say) Obama has capability, integrity and intelligency good enoug be president.Also he experience in politics. He represent from Democratic party. With his campaign, he succeed confessing voter that he is the one whom poeples choice.Also he get smart when get donation. He get from poeples or other groups which suppoerted him.He use ienternet too to gain donation. He open his website which contain he and his purpose be president. One of way he receive donation from his sites. The donation may $5,$10,$15 and more. So every poeple in the world can donate their money to Obama. Not limited on America country, but from all the world. So that Obama's fund more than McCain.But ... Let leave it for second.
Is he succeed to lobying senate and congress ? Because senate and congress closely to McCain. I think that very wonderful. So in my opinion. That is miracle or something special gift to Obama from God.
@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
30 Jan 09
All I can say is you are welcome to your opinion.
Thanks for responding but I will not subscribe to your words.
Aingealicia
@Ratris (79)
• Indonesia
30 Jan 09
OBAMA'S VICTORY.Achievement or miracle ? As his victory on American president election 2008. Obama become American president 44th. He is represent from Democrat party. He has good intelligent, capability and skill in politics. Like he did when campaign time. He confessing poeples, that he is the right choice be president. He collect support from many poeple or many major party which sympathy to him. He also use technology to get donation. By internet he makes website, which contain he, profile, mission and vission and other purposes. He receive donation by poeple who want donate their money. Nominal $5,$10,$15 ond more. So his fund not limited by America country but all poeple in the world. This different from his rival, McCain. McCain represent from Republic party. He gain voter by g poeple and get donation by poeple or many major party in America. So he get less fund and less support from Obama. Let leave it a minute. About lobbying who has win it ? Obama or McCain. Lobbying senate or congress closely to McCain. This is most difficult thing.Obama can be question in opinion. So in my opinion, Obama's victory is achievement or a miracle (special prize) from God give to Obama.
@vijayanandp (682)
• India
30 Jan 09
well lets see what he will do but hoping the best that he will bring good chears and soon us will be out of recession
@Aingealicia (1905)
• United States
3 Mar 09
Don't you mean the Depression? I am thinking we are beyond a recession.
Ainge