Sinless after conversion?
@saffrondreams (596)
Canada
January 31, 2009 12:48pm CST
I'm a non-believer, but my friend dragged me with her to Sunday service one time. There was this girl who shared her testimony with her, and she claimed that she became sinless after accepting Christ. I asked her to clarify that point, and she said that she was sinless through Christ and that as long as she had Jesus close to her heart and a good relationship with God, she wouldn't sin.
To my understanding, nobody is sinless on account of Original Sin, and that's why Jesus had to die on the cross to pay for our sins. I thought that everybody struggles with sin and will fall short of God's standards, and that's why they have to accept Christ.
Of course, I have other objections as well. I'm sure we all know someone who acts self-righteously because they think that God is on their side and can do no wrong.
I don't know much about Christianity, but is this sound doctrine? Is there a scriptural basis for it? Are there certain sects and denominations that believe in sinless perfection after conversion?
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@killhawaii (112)
• United States
1 Feb 09
I don't think there are sects in Christianity which make you sinless after conversion. I honestly don't believe in god but do think that releigion helps keep this world in order cuase then people have something to fear and that keeps them from doing something wrong. But the people who extemeley believe in god have no self confidence just like the girl you were talking about. When time comes and something wrong happens they will blame god and not themselves and attempt to make themselves better. Well all this is just my opinion and don't plan to challenge any ones beleifs or change their views forcibly or whatever. You know what I mean.
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@saffrondreams (596)
• Canada
1 Feb 09
I don't think any sect can make you sinless, but I guess some certainly believe so. And I've encountered sects before whose teachings are pretty "out there".
I really hope nothing bad happens to the girl. She was pretty messed up before she found Christ, so her faith is probably her greatest source of psychological comfort and I don't want to see her lose that.
I'm atheist and I don't like challenging people's views either. My grandmother was a Lutheran so I have some background in the faith, but it's not something that I tell people. In a way, I avoid conflict by playing dumb. My friend and the girl think that I know nothing about Christianity or the Bible and I plan to keep it that way. It's a touchy subject and I have huge issues with the faith. I don't want people questioning why I won't believe because it makes me uncomfortable, so I pretend not to have known about it in the first place.
@killhawaii (112)
• United States
1 Feb 09
quite honestly the reason i dont believe is cause well i have enough confidence in myself to lead myself to my own promise land.
i dont want need His help is He exists. i would rather pave my own road.
another reason i dont believe is cause it leads you to believe that your destiny is written and i hate believing that. I dont want my destiny to be written. I want my life to made by my own two hands. If i make a mistake then i want to take the blame for it, not pass them on to Him. and if i succeed i want to take the credit because it would not have been possible without my hard work and dedication not because i am supposed to succeed. I succeed because I fight to succeed. If I fail then its because I failed. not Him.
Again only my view.
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@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
1 Feb 09
As a Non-Christian, my God Loves Absolutely. Absolute Love Demands Absolutely Nothing in Return. (It cannot be said any plainer!) There is no such thing as Sin in God's World. His Love Transcends Everything. Organized Religion invented sin for its own purposes, and "Money continues to be the Root of all Evil!"
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@1hopefulman (45120)
• Canada
2 Feb 09
1 Timothy 6:10 (New International Version)
10For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.
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@goldeneagle (6745)
• United States
1 Feb 09
She was absolutely wrong about this, and I wish I had the opportunity to tell her so. People saying stupid crap like that are one reason that people have a hard time with the Christian religion. Christians are not sinless. We are forgiven for our sins by the grace of God and the blood of Jesus Christ if we ask for forgiveness. Jesus was the only sinless person to ever walk the earth...
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@saffrondreams (596)
• Canada
1 Feb 09
To be fair, she's a new Christian (1-2 years). I wonder if its her inexperience, or if that's what her Church believes because there are some outrageous sects out there that have some pretty wacky teachings that are not in line with scripture at all.
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@redhotpogo (4401)
• United States
1 Feb 09
Accepting him gives you the ability to call on him to forgive you of your sins. The slate is wiped clean basically, and you are given a second chance. But keeping from sinning is up to you. If she can keep from sinning just because she got saved, then she has a very strong will, and I congratulate her. After conversion you are sinless, until you sin again. A sin is a sin. No matter how nice the clothes you are wearing.
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@saffrondreams (596)
• Canada
1 Feb 09
If she could keep sinless, I'd be very impressed indeed!
Even some of the strongest and most saintly Christians I know make mistakes, so naturally I'm doubtful when a new convert tells me that they're sinless. Only time will tell, I guess.
@MichellinaGem (164)
• United States
31 Jan 09
This is not sound doctorine by any of the things I know. I have been a christian since I was about 9. God will forgive all our sins. He will also help us make better decisions in some cases so we won't sin in the same ways we did before we accepted Christ. However we will still sin. Every preacher I know will tell you that. That is why we are taught to pray for forvieness daily. We still sin daily. For example I struggle almost all the time with my temper. I am a christian which means I am supposed to react in a loving manner at all times. I don't I lose my temper easily and often. I am praying about it and Godi helping me, but I still sin in my anger often. I have been raised in mostly the Nazarene, Methodist and Baptist beliefs. There may be denominations that teach this, if so I do not know what they are and do not believe that they could show any scriptural basis for it. The Bible tells you that no one is perfect except God.
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@saffrondreams (596)
• Canada
16 Mar 09
Hm, I was researching this topic a bit and apparently some denominations believe this. It is by no means mainstream, though.
@stephenedmund (3)
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1 Feb 09
I don't believe that anyone can become sinless especially after conversion, through christ it is possible, but it is said, all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, notwithstanding that we should not be striving for being totally sinless. Most people who act selfrighteous usually point fingures at others therefore you would not see their dirty ways.
@saffrondreams (596)
• Canada
1 Feb 09
I didn't think so either. Everyone, including the saintliest of Christians, will fall short of God's standards because we're only human.
@AmbiePam (92854)
• United States
1 Feb 09
No one is sinless. After we are born again and become Christians we will still sin. God knows that, we're human. It's just that we recognize our sin, ask for forgiveness and learn to change ourselves one step at a time. There will never be a point where a human becomes sinless. And others saying they can become sinless really messes up the Truth. It colors what true Christianity is about.
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@forslahiri (1042)
• India
1 Feb 09
Hi,
Seeing is believing..doing is confirming..do and find Urself...
=Lahiri,Kolkata,India.
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