Controversy Over Woman Who Had Octuplets
By anniepa
@anniepa (27955)
United States
January 31, 2009 10:25pm CST
It seems there a good deal of controversy surrounding the single woman who recently gave birth to octuplets in California. She already has six other children at home yet she'd undergone invitro-fertilization to have these latest babies. The when she'd been advised to terminate some of the embryos she refused. On top of everything else, she and her family had filed for bankruptcy shortly before she had the IVF procedure.
I'm not judging anyone but it really seems like this is a strange case, doesn't it? Why would someone who already had six kids, wasn't married and lived with her parents go through an expensive procedure like that? Then, to refuse to follow doctor's orders and insisting to carry all the embryos to term despite the known risks to both herself and all of the babies?
Any thoughts?
Annie
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19 responses
@smartie0317 (1610)
• United States
1 Feb 09
As a Catholic, I can understand her not terminating them. However, as a Catholic and reasonable person, I don't understand why she wouldn't put some of these babies up for adoption. Can she really support all of these children? Emotionally and finacially? There are so many loving people would give them good homes if she put them up for adoption. I wish all of these children the best.
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@jenrl17 (420)
• United States
1 Feb 09
I totally agree. Im a Catholic also and I think it would be very honorable to give some of them up for adoption if nothing else. I dont see how she can afford all the babies either, emotionally, financially or any way. Also, if she decides to keep all of them, attention will be compromised I would think, but hopefully not.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Feb 09
I certainly understand where you're coming from as a Catholic, understanding why she wouldn't terminate any of the embryos. However, from what I've heard and read about invitro-fertilization a woman is asked from the beginning if she'd be willing to abort some of the embryos if it was advisable and I had the impression doctors would be hesitant, to put it mildly, to do the procedure if she wasn't open to that possibility. Anyway, she apparently wanted more children and knew there would be seven with the eighth being a surprise.
Annie
@killhawaii (112)
• United States
1 Feb 09
quite honestly its the woman's call and there isnt a whole lot we can say or do to justify her actions. frankly i am surprised that she was able to have 8 babies in matter of 5 minutes.
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@ClassyCat (1214)
• United States
1 Feb 09
I blame the stupid doctor that did the
proceedure. What in the world was he
thinking of? Money, no doubt.
As for "dispensing" (?) a few of the so
called embryos - what a cruel thought: "Oh
I'm sorry baby, but you have to go cause you've
been chosen to lessen MY burden in life."
People have to be responsible, and not be getting
rid of a baby just for conveinence sake.
Not to worry about the care of these children - of
course the welfare system will take them on - what
other option is there?
Giving some up for adoption would be far better than
having had aborted/killing any of them. And too - there's
also the possibility that some or all of them may have
'special needs.'
This young woman probably needs some type of psychological
help too. Who in their right mind would do this to
themselves - having more children than one can care for.
And another thought came to me: what if one of the kids decides
after he/she is grown to look for the father? Don't you know
that any man that would find himself the father of 8 kids,
to be absolutely blown away!?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Feb 09
She probably doesn't even know who the father is since it was from a sperm donor. I'm surprised there isn't more outcry very the use of invitro-fertilization in general since it's routine, as I understand it, to get rid of some "excess" embryos. I've never understood why the anti-choice crowd wasn't up in arms over this procedure.
Annie
@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
1 Feb 09
My first thought was that it was for the money she would get from the government!! What with all the different programs available for a single mother with 16 babies that would be a huge chunk of change and what the grandmother said confirmed my thoughts:
"She told me that all of her kids were through in vitro, and I said 'Gosh, how can you afford that and go to school at the same time?"' she added. "And she said it's because she got paid for it."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090131/ap_on_re_us/octuplets
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Feb 09
Thank you for that link. There was a lot of information there I a hadn't known before and it clears it up a bit. It also makes me even more confused as to why she'd do it, but it's clear those kids will be living off the taxpayers for 18 years, no doubt.
Annie
@trickiwoo (2702)
• United States
2 Feb 09
I agree that this is a very strange case. If she has the money for these procedures, it seems like that money would be better spent going towards taking care of her six children! I also have no idea why a single parent of 6 children would want one more child... let alone 8! And by not following her doctor's recommendations she put her own life in danger as well as the lives of her children!
@katsmeow1213 (28716)
• United States
1 Feb 09
I personally don't think people should have the option of IVF anyways. I believe that if God wanted them to get pregnant, they just would, and getting IVF is messing with God's plans. But this isn't anything I feel extremely strongly about (IVF that is), and if the couple has enough money and love to raise however many children they have, then so be it.
However, I don't agree with anyone who's on public assistance or struggling financially to knowingly and willingly become pregnant. That's not fair to the children, or to the tax payers who are paying for that person to survive on public assistance.
To me, it is ridiculous what this woman did. How is she going to raise 8 babies when she already has 6? I had a set of twins and only 1 older child, and let me tell you how difficult that was. It caused a lot of stress for our whole family.
I'm sure they're going to implement a law that makes people pass a financial check prior to getting IVF treatments now.
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
1 Feb 09
Hey annie! I worked for an infertility speciatist and this
would never have been allowed. A patient had to undergo both
physical and psychiatric exams before they would be allowed
to have their treatment. They also would have to be in a
committed relationship, or married! There would have been
no way that this woman would have been able to do this again!
Where did she get the money! These procedures cost thousands
of dollars! I don't understand! The doctors must have been
paid in some sort of illegal manor! I'm sure there will be
much more to this story. I worked in this field for two years
and I know that this doesn't make any sense. The treatments
alone are monitored and are very dangerous!
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Feb 09
I share your curiosity about this, Opal, and I thank you for your information. I didn't think this sounded right, that the doctor would go through with this under the circumstances this woman is apparently living. Where indeed did she get the money? This is just plain WEIRD!
Annie
@christinep312 (131)
• United States
1 Feb 09
I was actually wondering why the doctors would do this! Thank you for clearing it up.
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@xbrendax (2662)
• United States
2 Feb 09
Either the woman is some kind of religious nut or she is mentally ill! Come on now, who in their right mind would WANT that many kids? And who's taking care of them all, welfare? I think she's done enough and needs to be fixed!
@tentwo67 (3382)
• United States
1 Feb 09
I cannot imagine what leads someone to make this decision. The six kids she already had are ages 2-7, so she now has FOURTEEN children all under age 8. It is incomprehensible. And she is obviously not financially secure and so these children, some of whom may end up being special needs, will be cared for with government money. Now you know I'm a pretty liberal girl, and I certainly don't believe that the babies SHOULDN'T be cared for, but I think it is awfully irresponsible to have brought so many babies into the world under these circumstances. I mean, my son is an only child because my husband and I decided that we did not have the proper resources to care for 2 in the way we care for our 1. Clearly the same kind of thought process was not in play with this story.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Feb 09
I'm pretty liberal too but I get irritated when someone is too irresponsible to preent having more children than they can care for so for this woman to set out to become pregnant with what she KNEW would be multiples is disgraceful. I agree, there's no way I would want those babies to be neglected whether it means the government caring for them or not but this should not have happened.
Annie
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
1 Feb 09
I would not only question her judgement, I'd also question the judgement of the doctors and medical professionals who helped her to become pregnant. Furthermore, I'd queston the judgement of any person or institution who gives her money.
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
1 Feb 09
When I first heard of it, I thought she was a Mexican American lady who was very lucky, and then I saw the staff giving the interview, then I thought well she happens to be either East Indian or African American and she wants to be quiet about it or she will give people the idea that only East Indians and African Americans have surviving multiple births and white people are more likely to have their octuplets die. Then I learn that not only is she unmarried, does not want to get married, but she conceived through invirtro-fertilization - and got them through the same sperm donor. I mean why did she not look him up and they get married? Aren't most of them college students or professionals with a good income? I think she was in it for the money and the attention and knowing if the babies survived, she is going to get a lot of gifts and money. Those kids are going to have a hard time of it with mother thinking the money is to support her not them.
Adoption seems a best bet and besides would not the babies have medical problems later on?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Feb 09
I'm not sure if she would even know the identity of the sperm donor. I think most of them are college students, as you said, looking to earn extra money, but I doubt whoever it is would be willing to marry a total stranger and be father to 14 children! I think you're right, at least some of those eight babies will probably have some serious health issues. It's a strange situation all the way around but since she's obsessed with having children I doubt she'd even consider adoption.
Annie
@sxrxnrr45601 (1171)
• United States
1 Feb 09
You I myself do not see the big deal My grandmother had 22 kids and well There have been no reports as to her kids being mistreated in any way that I am aware of if her parent do not mind helping and she has friends and people in the communeity helping her no biggie after all it takes a hole communeity to raise A child right thats what I have always been told1
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Feb 09
Things were no doubt much different when your grandmother had all those kids! I also know of a family that had 17 kids but they lived on a farm of raised most of their own food and the kids helped out selling eggs, milk and other dairy products as well as vegetables and other produce. Many communities don't have many people who have the time or the means to help raise someone else's kids!
Annie
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
1 Feb 09
It seems very strange that a single woman would want to be the mother of 14 children. Sometimes it's hard being married and having three lol I would be mad at my daughter if she did this and thought that I would be taking care of the children with her.
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@LadyWinter (195)
• United States
1 Feb 09
I just looked it up and the mom of these 14 children is my age. 33. WOW. I so could not imagine having 14 children at my age. I have two. One is 14 one is 10. WOW is really all I can say.
It seems from what I have read that all her children were IVF. Even her first 6 which range in age from 2 to 7. And one of those kids is autistic. WOW.
I definately think she should have had some sort of mental evaluation. She has a college degree and was working on her masters but for her to work the cost of childcare alone would take up a whole pay check.
I feel sorry for the children. There is no way one parent can give 14 children all the attention and nurturing they deserve. I am all for being a single parent, I am one myself or was, but to 14 kids????? What if some of the new babies have health issues that havent been identified yet??
WOW...lol that is all I can say....WOW.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
2 Feb 09
I know, WOW was my first thought too! I totally agree with you about this woman needing a mental evaluation and I also know what you're saying about the new babies having health issues. Isn't it actually LIKELY at least one of them will, considering how many of them there are and the fact they were premature? WOW is right!
Annie
@sarahruthbeth22 (43143)
• United States
8 Feb 09
Simple, she wanted more babies.It didn't matter to her that she had no money or was single. And being pro choice, I back her all the way. If it is wrong to force a woman to have a baby she doesn't want , then it is just as wrong to make her terminate a baby she wants.It is her choice. If were pregnant with many babies at once and my doctor said I should terminate a few embryos,he/she wouldn't be my doctor for long.
@barehugs (8973)
• Canada
1 Feb 09
Its all about Fame, and the Money that Fame could bring. She's playing it close for now (which she would do, if she's looking for cash) 8 kids alive has never happened before in America (that alone should be worth something) The last set of octuplets did not all survive. If these do,(and it looks like they could) this single Mother (if she plays her cards right) stands to make enough out of it to be set for life. Lets just watch and see how this plays out!
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@collieluv28 (388)
• United States
6 Feb 09
This story makes me ill. With all the kids out there without a family, women out there who want to be moms but can't, I am sick to my stomach with it all. One might say that Angelina Jolie has too many kids but one, she adopted many of them, & two, she has a partner in all of this. There is no way that one person can take care of 14 kids, 8 of them being the same age.
It was also mentioned that she wanted a big family to make up for her disfunctional childhood (she was an only child). So she's going to place this burden on her children? Hey, kids, make me feel better about myself! Please! This woman is not mentally stable & I am furious with the doctor for doing this to her.
As previous posts have mentioned, where did she get the money for all of this? There is much more to this story as I'm sure we will find out in coming days.
@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
1 Feb 09
This morning's local paper pointed out that she has a degree in child and adolescent development from Cal. State, and she's working on a Master's in counseling. There must have been some lively discussions in those classes! She seems to be quite intelligent, but obsessed with haveing at least a dozen children. Her mother said she wouldn't stay around when the woman came home from the hospital, but she stayed. After all, she said, it is her daughter. If the same thing happened and the woman had vast financial backing, it would be a cute story on the morning programs. As it is,it seems totally obscene for most people.
@sammy009 (259)
• United States
1 Feb 09
HI. Yes it is strange why a she would want more children, after have 6 already and the youngest is only 2 years old. I just watched on cnn the news station, that the mother said she was done with her daughter, that she is obsessed with having children and she went to far this time Her mother refuses to help her. Her father is still standing by her side. I cannot imagine how she is going to do it with 14 children and the house seems to be way to small for all those children. All I can say God BLess those children.