Is the Holocaust repeating itself with the genocide happening in Darfur, Sudan?
By arnwart
@arnwart (21)
Russian Federation
February 2, 2009 1:18am CST
Personally, I would have to disagree because in taking the position of disagreement, I suppose that I am in general in accord with Robert Grason who wrote the opening article here: the planning and systems used by the Nazis involved makes their crime unique to the best of my knowledge. Its uniqueness, I stress, is not related to the staggering scale of the killing it is certain that the great cynics Stalin and Mao tse Tung were responsible, each of them, for more murders and misery than were the Nazis. No, it is I repeat, in the intense and detailed planning and logistics and as Grason points out, the enormous resources used in the programme, ironically to the detriment of the war effort.
It is my opinion that the killings in Darfur follow an age-old problematic tradition in Africa: that of tribal conflict, following on from previous horrors in Angola, Uganda and Rwanda for example. Indeed just recently, another tribal conflict has erupted in Kenya, until recently perceived as one of the more stable of the African nations.
The idea of one tribe endeavouring to destroy another is certainly genocide, but it is in no way the "Holocaust" and neither can it be likened to it.
*Stalin famously once remarked: "Ideas are much more dangerous than guns; we don't let them have guns, so why should we let them have ideas?"
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@jworkman (38)
• Sweden
2 Feb 09
History repeating itself is an awful lack of imagination to determine if the genocide of a certain people is major or not. With escalation of weaponry over the last fifty years and the ever present resistance toward education anything after the Holocaust will be worse. Worse in the manner of torture and deliberate organization of genocide that we have ever seen. Worse in human/animal nature with religious ideologies that are way of base on what religion was meant for. But are we getting the correct information on the events happening in Darfur to actually determine it worse or the same as the Holocaust? Are we able to trust the media according to its past?
Well, one objective that is seriously over applied is comparing a past event to recent ones. Let us not get lost in the past but look forward to a better future for our children. Let us never forget the past, but let us never refuse our minds by categorizing human events according to the past. Let us learn from our past not be condemned by it. Instead of history repeating itself, let's make sure this is the last time it will ever happen.
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@henates (20)
• Australia
2 Feb 09
What is happening in Darfur, Sudan is evil as well. But the organization does not begin to be on the same level as the Nazis. The killing machine is more savage than slick. So to compare this genocide to the Holocaust cannot be justified. Having said that, I do not wish to detract from the seriousness of the occasion. Just because a regime does no have the military strength to inflict its wicked ideology over a vast area does not make it any less repulsive.
@toddves (20)
• Argentina
4 Feb 09
On the thought that the Holocaust could be repeating with the genocide in Darfur, I have to say it is entirely plausible. Honestly, I understand that nobody wants to think about the fact that something that historically traumatizing and horrifying could ever happen in the world we now live in, but the thought needs to cross some peoples minds. Stephen King wrote, "Never minimize your feelings." I personally believe that every single genocide in our world's history needs to be held up to that level of horror. Most people never heard much or anything about Rwanda. But somewhere between 800,000 and 1,000,000 people were killed mindlessly. That's a far cry from the 9 to 11 million during the Holocaust, but it still is human life. So far in the Darfur genocide, 120,000 lives have been lost to mindless killing. I know that is also a far cry away from the Holocaust, but with the ignorance that is being allowed on this subject, it may not take too long to work up to that many deaths. This is a quote from an article I read: "On October 20, 120 genocide survivors of the Holocaust, the Cambodian and Rwandan Genocides, backed by six aid agencies, submitted an open letter to the European Union, calling on them to do more to end the atrocities in Darfur, with a UN peacekeeping force as 'the only viable option."
@nehross (20)
• Denmark
4 Feb 09
The holocaust was a truly evil chapter in world history and to suggest this horror may now be repeating in Darfur or the Sudan does not even come close to the worsening situation in these two countries as well as a growing number of other nations in the world today. The holocaust was localised and driven by Nazi Germany and targeted Jews as their primary objective with other identified groups being secondary, or perhaps a little value-adding' given the killing mechanisms were established - a convenient way to rid the nation of inconvenient citizens that do not fit the ideology agenda.
The holocaust was simply a preview of the horrors to come. While the world simpers about tolerance and inclusiveness, democracies and free trade, the fundamentalists, dictators and despots are thumbing their collective noses as they blatantly disregard human rights, religious freedom and take what they want. We have learned nothing, and all the while the remaining healthy and free countries sit around debating, promoting a politically correct agenda and speaking of peaceful alternatives, the strong are using these very freedoms to erode everything fought for in two major wars of the 20th century. The difference however is in the availability of high-powered weapons of mass destruction.
@trahnes (20)
• Germany
4 Feb 09
History repeating itself is nothing new. Prior to the Holocaust there were frequent pogroms, purges, and forced relocations of not only Jews but other groups deemed dangerous to the majority in control. So now Darfur, Sudan is making headlines. This is another one of the media's horrible flavor's of the month. Remember all the musicians getting together when people in Ethiopia faced a similar situation in the 80s? How about Somalia in the 90s? Has anything changed substantially in those two areas? Nope, the media just saw us lose interest in those sensational stories so they went fishing elsewhere.
Tragedies will continue there is not much we can do to prevent them. We can however, think beyond our own city limits, or state lines, or national boundaries and recognize this lump of dirt and water is OUR home. We are stuck on this ball together. Now, we have for countless centuries tried violence how about trying love? Every major religion points to love being the answer. Don't get me wrong love does not mean we have to like each other but it does insist we set and maintain a standard of how we treat each other. So how about it? Sure beats waiting for history to remind us again how little we have changed.
@barzales (20)
• Sweden
2 Feb 09
The events happening today in the Sudan, and in many other places from the end of the Second world war may well be argued to involve genocide. However, for them to represent a repeat of the holocaust is impossible, they are out of time. The intrinsic evil within the holocaust had already been unleashed upon the world, what follows can only be a copy, never a repeat.
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@layder (20)
• United States
4 Feb 09
The Holocaust has come to be associated with the regimented systematic murder of people who were different due to their race, religious practices, or political beliefs. It was an ideal, to cleanse the world. It was and should always be unpardonable crime. When a government, sets about the systematic murder of people for any gain, or benefit, the whole world should stand as one and end that government and bring to justice all those responsible.
Darfur should never be identified with the Holocaust, the Holocaust was a different animal, one that I hope the world never sees again. Darfur, is but an Ethnic Cleansing, where old hatreds, jealousies and xenophobia rule. What you see in Darfur, is one of the oldest forms of relocation, it is invasion by a people, or culture not seen since long before the birth of Christ.
It is the forced removal of a people from their homes, to make way for another people. This type of invasion went on with the Dorics and Ionians, Trojans and Greeks. It is something thought had vanished, but as always where fear and ignorance flourish, so do mankind's oldest, basest instincts.
@kaselard (20)
• Luxembourg
4 Feb 09
Today's conflict in Darfur, Sudan is not a genocide. Although the United States labels it as genocide, it is not so. The United Nations for example, ruled that although there is extreme violence and killings in that region, it is not a genocide. The Darfur conflict is between Janjaweed, militia backed by the Sudanese government, and some settlers. The Janjaweed keep attacking, displacing, and killing the settlers. However, this is not due to the settlers' ethnicity. Instead, the region has been hit by drought the past few years. The Janjaweed, who are quite similar to nomads, try to kick out the settlers in order for them to take control of the region. As expected, some settlers choose to stay and fight back rather than flee to a safer region and give up on their homes. However, because the Janjaweed are better trained and equipped, they are favorite to 'win' the fights.
A genocide is the "deliberate and systematic destruction of an entire people who belong to one racial, political, cultural or religious group." The Darfur conflict is not aimed at annihilating an ethnic group. The conflict is fought over land, therefore Darfur is not a genocide but a conflict. To answer the initial question, the Holocaust is not repeating itself through present-day Darfur.
@natwitt (20)
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4 Feb 09
Those who want to rule the Country in which they live are the main cause for genocide. Those power hungry people of our past and present are simply using or did use any and every method available in which to gain absolute rule of all of the other people in the Country in which they also live within.
Yes, some of those truly insane people even tried to rule the entire World. Hitler, Stalin, Alexander and Napoleon are no better examples of what it means to gain absolute power and control of each and every other person on Earth. To do so, they employed the tactic of "Total War."
In that regard, I wonder who next will attempt to become the next absolute ruler of the Entire World. Your guess is as good as mine, but it is now quite clear to me that the owners and the controllers of the fossil fuel industry are currently waging an economic war against all of the World's people. Believe it or not, there is more than one way to completely rule the people of the entire World.
Then again, sooner or later the majority will rise up and restore economic stability by any means available, including Terrorism, in order to put an end to such insane greed and stop the horrific suffering and the needless deaths of tens of millions of otherwise normal and healthy people who are alive in the World today. For every action there is a reaction. That is why history seems to repeat itself over and over again.