Did you know there is health care rationing in the porkulus bill?

That's the kind of thing that happens when you put healthcare in the hands of the government. Some of this kind of thing already happens with Medicare/Medicaid - if they don't think you should have a procedure, they won't approve it.

I heard about this yesterday. They also brought up Tom Daschle's book about health care in which he stated that older people need to accept their decline in health gracefully and stop costing the taxpayers money. What a crock of bull! I'm glad he didn't get in. I'm sure there are many other bad things in this bill. The United States is going to be drastically changed and I hope it's not for the worse.

Yep, I did hear about it. The article I read on it said that Doctors could face penalties if they don't go along with this bit of government control. Plenty of people were requesting universal health care, but they didn't request -this-...but I guess what do you expect from the government, huh? Even if some of them meant well by this, the government rarely knows how to do things inbetween "AWESOME" and "AWFUL". On my blog I said this is all the more reason we should have more herbalists and midwives, ALTERNATIVES to doctors, nowadays...but it still saddens me to think that, in a few years many kids will give up on their dreams to become Doctors because they disagree with and could never go along with the rules set in place by the government. It saddens me to think about what may happen to some of the good doctors who do take a stand.

I heard about this, and it is totally horrifying. We have come so far as a society where people get to live healthier, longer lives--and I fear that they want to change that. It also seems like they are trying to play God with this move, deciding who is "worthy" of certain medical procedures or tests. I am not a supporter of the bill to begin with, looking at it, I don't see anything that will create jobs for most the people who need jobs.. but that aside, sneaking this health care stuff in is just HORRIBLE. They are doing it this way because they know that if they did it separately and had to debate it and get it through house and senate there would be a lot of bloodshed. Although, unfortunately with the set up, it would probably go through in the end anyway. I just can't see how ANYONE could make this look good, the government has no place in telling doctors who they can or can't treat. geez.. most of the politicians are lawyers, not doctors to begin with--so unless they have medical training they really should just stay out of the business of deciding who is a candidate for medical treatment! Leave it to the doctors, make it easier for the doctors to treat people--NOT harder! You asked what else is hidden in this bill? I definitely wouldn't be surprised if a lot of bad things are hidden. Actually, some show I was watching, someone said that basically this bill is disguised as a necessity, a good thing, when really it is shoving in 4 years worth of stuff they want in at the beginning, because later on they might not be able to afford it or have the votes to pass it, ie. in 2010 if the democrats lose their majority, and face it, if this bill blows up in their faces, they are going to be hard pressed to keep or grow their majority, considering only 3 republicans will even touch this thing. It is really scary how they are passing this stuff off, and how people are eating up their words. The thing is, I'm in an interesting place politically, more of a conservative democrat/centrist, I suppose, so there is a lot I disagree with when it comes to liberals and super conservative republicans. But because I sit more in the middle, I am able to look at both sides and understand them better, but I have to admit--at this time and place, I am siding with the republicans more and more. I really don't think that people really think or use logic. I think they think with their hearts and not their heads, and sometimes that is a good thing, but where we are at this time, we need to think logically, not passionately, not in the interest of throwing money at the problem as fast as possible, only to end up in a worse place in a year--just look back to September/October when they were like oh no, the banks are gonna collapse, we must give them 700 billion dollars stat. Well, at the time, I bought into that--it seemed like the right thing considering both sides were saying it needed to happen. But seeing how that turned out, well, let's just say I've learned my lesson, and obviously a lot of republicans learned the lesson, but everyone else just wants to continue on this never ending cycle. It is spiraling out of control, it really is.