What will the Republicans do now?
By iriscot
@iriscot (1289)
United States
February 18, 2009 9:12am CST
The stimulus package is signed. will the GOP stop being the opposition party and start presenting good ideas to help bring our nation forward or will they continue to stand in the way by opposing every effort that the new administration is trying to prevent the nation from falling into a depression. This is a question that many would like to know the answer to.
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11 responses
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
18 Feb 09
I think that some Republicans will hope that it works and try to find other ways to help the nation. Unfortunately, I think the majority will secretly hope that it doesn't work and continue to obstruct whatever gets proposed. But as long as a few make an effort, the majority will be there to get things done . At least for the next couple years.
I know I'm in the minority on here. But I see a huge difference between spending in a stimulous package to jumpstart the economy and spending for an unwanted war that was started over weapons of mass destruction that were never there in the first place.
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@iriscot (1289)
• United States
18 Feb 09
I agree irish, I hope the republicans will be more co-operative and work to solve our countries problems, not only financial problems but the conflicts going on in the Middle East and Africa.
I was very dissapointed though when the republican leadership sent an email to all republicans in Congress to vote against any stimulus package that was put up for vote before the terms in the package were even discussed. Obama tried to reach out to the republicans but they denighed his effort.
I voted republican in the general election primary, but when I saw what took place, I voted Democratic in the general election. I hope I have learned my lesson from that experience.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
18 Feb 09
The republicans are still presenting good ideas. You are probably unaware that republicans, including John McCain and Mel Martinez worked to present their own stimulus bill. It was shot down without a second though. In a more bipartisan congress the two sides would work together and take the best of each bill. Instead, the democrats picked off the minimum number of republicans they needed to ram the bill down the throat of everyone else.
Opposition is CRUCIAL in our government. That's why we have more than one party. We WANT both sides to have a voice. I WANT the GOP, Libertarians, independents, and every other party to continue to provide loyal opposition as McCain termed it.
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@iriscot (1289)
• United States
18 Feb 09
I remember seeing John McCain's proposal and it was such a small amount that it wouldn't have done much of anything to help.
Did you notice that the main thing the republicans were wanting was tax cuts. Well, if you will notice the bill has double the amount for tax relief than any other category. This was a large concession to the republicans.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
18 Feb 09
I would not say it was a large concession. What I would like to see is the democratic memebers of congress policing their own members. In the stimulus bill that was suppost to stimulate our economy not only illegal immigration varification for jobs taken out (so now our borrowed money is helping them too) but Pelosi put in millions to "save the salt harvest mouse". How is that going to stimulate the econmony? It isn't. There were several pet projects like that in the stimulus bill. They spent money we don't have and on projects that will do nothing for the ecomony. That made it really hard for me and other converatives to support the bill. They should have left out the BS wasteful project spending and just focused on what would help the economy...then they would have seen more support. It is like the partriot act...they put a good name on it so people will go ok, I am patriotic so I will support it, but it was not a patriotic bill. They called it a stimulus bill, most of america said yep we need a stimulus....when it reality a lot of money was needlessly wasted.
We are spending more money than we have. That is a problem. Our gov. needs to trim the fat. Find what is absolutely necessary fund it and cut the rest. pay down the national debt, and let us americans keep more of the money WE earn so that we can decide how to spend it. and most of all not leave a mountain of debt for the next generation to pay for. Did they cause this mess? No. SO they should not have to pay for it. The only word I can use for Congress right now is irresponsible.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
18 Feb 09
"I remember seeing John McCain's proposal and it was such a small amount that it wouldn't have done much of anything to help."
It was over $400 billion. That's enough money to buy Walmart and Microsoft so if you don't think that's enough to do anything, then you clearly have no concept of money and business.
"Did you notice that the main thing the republicans were wanting was tax cuts. Well, if you will notice the bill has double the amount for tax relief than any other category. This was a large concession to the republicans."
That's a load of crap. You must get your talking points from Chuck "Chump Change" Schummer. Obama PROMISED those tax cuts. That was the bulk of his campaign platform. He actually wanted $350 billion but Pelosi cut it DOWN to $250 billion so we're not even getting the complete amount promised by Obama, much less enough to be called a "concession" to republicans.
"What I would like to see is the democratic memebers of congress policing their own members."
I would love to see this too. Instead we only had a handful of democrats who stood against this and they were simply ignored by their party just like the republicans.
"They should have left out the BS wasteful project spending and just focused on what would help the economy."
They certainly should have. Unfortunately they chose to follow the policy of Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel who said 'You never want a serious crisis to go to waste and what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things that you didn't think you could do before.' They saw this as their chance to push every pet project that had been rejected over the last 20 years.
"Our gov. needs to trim the fat. Find what is absolutely necessary fund it and cut the rest."
Unfortunately they are doing just the opposite. Obama never met a spending bill he didn't like. They are finding UNnecessary things to fund like resodding the national mall. They insist it will create jobs, but hey, I could create jobs by resodding my property, it's wasteful though and I can't afford to do it. If I can't afford to waste money doing that on my property, why do the democrats in congress think it's ok to waste my money doing that at the national mall?
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@MntlWard (878)
• United States
18 Feb 09
I read an interesting theory on a different message board about the Republicans' involvement in the bill. By the way, they were involved in the bill, despite Beoehner's lie that the Democrats didn't ask for any input from the Republicans. I refer you to that meeting after which Obama got a little flack for saying "I won." That meeting was where the Republicans were asked for their input. Not exactly a "closed door session."
Anyway, back to the theory: So the Republicans got the Democrats to alter the bill (Wait, I thought the Dems didn't ask for the Repubs input!! Oh right, I've already shown that to be false.), then the Repubs all voted against it, knowing it would pass anyway. So if the bill works, they can say their input is what made it work, and if the bill doesn't work they're on record voting against it. Win/win for the Republicans.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
20 Feb 09
"Eisenhower ranked as one of the 10 worst presidents despite a GNP growth of over 25 percent and inflation that averaged 1.4 percent."
That's pathetic. Eisenhower was the first president to help push the civil rights movement. He supported Brown v Board of Education and passed two civil rights bills as president. Sadly Kennedy gets all the credit for bills that he, and later LBJ passed.
@iriscot (1289)
• United States
18 Feb 09
You must understand Ward, you will really get hammered for bringing something truthful on this board. The "hard line" republicans here just can't stand the fact that they lost the election and they thought Bush was such a great leader when he was officially rated 7th from the bottom ending up #36 out of 43. Oh yes, Lincoln #1, George Washington #2 and Franklin Delano Roosevelt #3.
The stimulus bill put twice the amount of any other item in the bill into tax relief and that was what the republicans were screaming for.
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@acevivx (1566)
• Philippines
19 Feb 09
I am not an American or a citizen of the United States but i believe that in these times of crisis, that the Republicans will set aside partisan politics and step over party lines for the sake of the USA. That is why the USA is great because its people can pull together when it is the nation's interest which is at stake. otherwise, if they do not support the present efforts, they too would be losers. People across the world look up to the US of A and it would be tragic if you Americans would fall short of the high hopes that they have in your ability to pull together and get tough when the going gets rough.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
18 Feb 09
Well comparing I was not in favor of the stimulus check I hope the Republicans work with them on things are that good for this country and continue to stand up against things that are not. very little in that stimulus bill is going to help the ecomony. Most of it was pet project spending....all on money we do not have.
Everyone (including myself) critized Bush and COngress for spending so much money. Look at our national debt. So if I was against irresponsible spending then...why should I be for it now? Irresponsible spending is irresponsible spending no matter what party is going it.
We are digging our debt deeper and deeper. You know who is going to pay for it...well you and me...but also our kids. We are borrowing against their futures. We are saddling them debt...our debt that we are going to make them responsible for paying. That is not right. When the next generation grows up they have every right to be mad at Bush and Obama for doing this to them. Not to mention the rest of us who sat back and let it happen. We made the debt...we should pay it off insted of leaving it for the next generation.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
18 Feb 09
I heard it referred to as financial child abuse. Very fitting if you ask me.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
18 Feb 09
very fitting. We are abusing the next generation. We are robbing them blind.
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@hahalee (28)
• China
19 Feb 09
normally,every new plan coming out must have lots of different ideas on it! of c ourse there are views that is opposing it!actually those who hold an opposing idea don't know how to fix the situation, but just criticize!i am just thinking if someone dosen't agree a new plan,he should put forward some constructive suggestions adn takes actions instead of cring!
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
23 Feb 09
I predict at least some in the GOP will continue being as obstructionist as they can in the hopes that anything the Democrats do will fail. I'm not saying all Republicans will do that or that they all hope the Democrats fail because I'm sure there are some who really do care what happens to the country and the people who live here. The problem is, not many of them are in Congress right now!
Annie
@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
19 Feb 09
well, I wouldnt consider them the opposing party just because they stand up for what they believe in. There are always ways to agree to disagree, and I think that not everyone supports the decisions being made, as not everyone has supported any decision made by the govt. But I think that they should stand firm in what they believe in, because isnt that the right of every American?
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
18 Feb 09
I think they'll stand back and hope that it actually works. Of course, we may not see that for a few years, if at all. I think it's quite telling when an entire party is against an idea. It's not bad thing to be opposed to a bad idea, and that stimulus bill was a bad idea.
That said, what does it matter if they do oppose the democrats on every single thing? As the democrats have already demonstrated, they don't need the approval of a single republican in order to push their legislation through. I'm not convinced by this "bi-partisan" idea some democrats keep bringing up, either. If they cared that much about what the other party thinks, they'd have done more to make the bill more appealing to republicans, instead of adding even more to it and pushing it through like it's no big deal. No, the democrats are in power now, and they're going to make the most of it while the republicans are still practically powerless.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
18 Feb 09
I personally am amazed by what democrats consider bipartisanship compared to the republican definition.
To republicans bipartisanship meant John McCain working with democrats like Kennedy and Feingold to forge bills that represented the desires of both parties. To democrats bipartisanship means closed door sessions with no republican input followed by the president schmoozing and telling the republicans to support it because he won.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
18 Feb 09
Iriscot,
First of all, just because the republicans had the good sense to oppose this bill doesn't mean they oppose every effort of this administration. Most of America opposed this "stimulis" porkage, even many democrats that voted this fiasco of an administration into office! This bill does very little to create jobs (as it was intended) and conversly, it rewards the people who helped elect this administration with billions upon billions of earmarks that have absolutely nothing to do with economic recovery, period! If you mean that the republicans should bend over and spread both cheeks every time the democrats say jump, then I don't believe you will see much bipartisanship.
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@bestboy19 (5478)
• United States
18 Feb 09
The Democrats in the House pretty much locked the Republicans out of the stimulus debate, so their ideas good or bad really didn't have much of a chance. As far as standing in the way, is it logical to vote for a bill you haven't had a chance to study? Giving the Congress a few days to read over this bill wouldn't send the country into a tailspin. And when you consider that the President waited a couple of days before signing it, you have to wonder why the Republicans request to get to read it first was denied. The GOP is not opposed to working with the President, but they would like to know what their getting themselves into before they go signing something so large as this stimulus bill, especially when what they have seen of it is pork.