Another win for pro-abortionists, Obama reverses health care conscience clause
By Taskr36
@Taskr36 (13963)
United States
February 28, 2009 8:18am CST
So here we are and he's continuing to spread the pro-abortion agenda. The health care conscience clause allowed doctors to opt out of performing procedures such as abortions that conflicted with their moral and ethical views. Obama has decided to reverse that to ensure that more abortions take place in our country. I'm sure Planned Parenthood will be throwing him a big party for this one.
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/27/conscience.rollback/index.html
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
1 Mar 09
This rule was too comprehensive.
"Under the rule, workers in health-care settings -- from doctors to janitors -- can refuse to provide services, information or advice to patients on subjects such as contraception, family planning, blood transfusions and even vaccine counseling if they are morally against it."
Refusing to provide services, information or advice on blood dtransfusions and vaccines is a good thing how? Since when is your right to information and advice dependent upon who's office you're sitting in? Some folks mentioned just finding another doctor but what if your only option is a clinic or the Health Department? Do I want my daughters given limited information or no information at all because the doctor the go to objects to this or that? I can understand and even support a medical professional having the right to refuse to perform an abortion but I will not support Nurse Sarah refusing to advise a young woman about contraceptives because she personally believes in abstinence only.
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@MysticTomatoes (1053)
• United States
3 Mar 09
This same thing happened when the Plan B pill came out. Pharmacists all across the country were denying women this prescription even if the doctor gave them a valid written prescription for it.
We all have our ethics and morals. If your ethics and morals prevent you from doing your job, change careers.
I don't believe in circumcising infants, yet I can't begin to think how many doctors and surgeons are pro-circumcision. It's abuse. Plain and simple.
All jobs have some sort of ethical problems. Vegeterian? Don't work at McDonald's. Racist? Don't become a judge!
0bama is a socialist freak who needs to hurry up and be voted out of the office in the next 3 years and 11 months. I for one can't wait to get rid of him.
Forcing a doctor to do a procedure he is against is about the same as forcing a woman or a man to do something they don't want to happen. If your doctor doesn't believe in abortions, and you want one, then find another doctor. Doctors are supposed to be neutral on cases like this, but all over America, doctors have opinions about everything.
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
4 Mar 09
well, as far as the "no harm" thing, while I am against abortion, I know that most doctors with pregnant patients, consider the mother their patient, not the "baby"...
So, I think that is one thing.
But I still think this reversal is horrible.
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@MysticTomatoes (1053)
• United States
4 Mar 09
But doesn't denying a patient's wishes ALSO violate the "first do no harm" clause? If I go to a doctor and I need an abortion for whatever reason and she says no, what about that? I think that violates the do no harm clause as much as a pharmacist refusing to fill an RX for Plan B or for even the pill.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
28 Feb 09
Taskr, it appears that you didn't even read the article to which you linked here. Here's an excerpt:
The Obama administration plans to reverse a regulation from late in the Bush administration allowing health-care workers to refuse to provide services based on moral objections, an official said Friday.
The rule protects the rights of health care providers who refuse to participate in certain procedures.
The Provider Refusal Rule was proposed by the Bush White House in August and enacted on January 20, the day President Barack Obama took office.
It expanded on a 30-year-old law establishing a "conscience clause" for "health-care professionals who don't want to perform abortions."
Under the rule, workers in health-care settings -- from doctors to janitors -- can refuse to provide services, information or advice to patients on subjects such as contraception, family planning, blood transfusions and even vaccine counseling if they are morally against it.
(End of excerpt)
Please note, this rule, The Provider Refusal Rule, was just enacted the day President Obama took office and it EXPANDS on a 30-year-old law establishing a "conscience clause" for "health-care professionals who don't want to perform abortions." In other words, the law will remain in effect, it's the expansion which includes allowing health care workers to refuse services, information or advice on subjects such as contraception, family planning, blood transfusions and even vaccine counseling if they are morally against it.
How this could be seen as a "win for pro-abortionists" is beyond me. Of course, remember Bush's Health and Human Services Department considered most forms of birth control as abortions so I guess it would make sense to those who follow that view.
Annie
@HawaiiGopher (1009)
• Belgium
1 Mar 09
Ah, you beat me to it!
From what I've understood, the new proposal seems to be focused on the obligation of doctors to give all the options available - despite their personal views - rather than forcing them to do things they're against.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
2 Mar 09
It's hard to say. The article is very poorly written as there are parts of it that say Obama is reversing the health care conscience clause while other parts imply it is only the new rule being reversed.
Since Obama has pushed a pro-abortion agenda both as a senator who voted against life giving care for children who survive abortion, and as a president who promotes using taxpayer dollars to fund abortions overseas this seems like the next step in making abortions more common.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
1 Mar 09
Reread Annie's post. The conscience clause has been around for years. It covers health care providers who don't want to perform abortions. This new rule expands on the already existing clause to include the dissemination of information in the areas of contraceptives, family planning, blood transfusions and vaccines. The Provider Refusal Rule has no impact on anyone's ability to refuse to perform abortions but it does restrict the flow of information and quality medical advice. Keeping people intentionally ignorant because you happen to object to birth control, vaccines, etc. is not good for the citizens of this country.
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@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
28 Feb 09
I think that doctors in the USA should have the right to opt out of procedures that conflict with their moral and ethical views. I am against abortion. I would never do an abortion on a lady if I was one of them. I know that many doctors in the USA are pro-life and will be very upset about this clause that could harm their consciences. I hope that they tell Obama that they want to work to help sick people not kill fetuses during pregnancy.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
28 Feb 09
Please read the article for which the OP provided the link above and you'll see a doctor will still have the same right to refuse to perform an abortion that he or she has had for over 30 years. It's the expansion of this law to include other things such as birth control, blood transfusions or vaccinations that Bush enacted in the last days of his Presidency and which only took effect on Jan. 20 that will be reversed.
Annie
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
28 Feb 09
When a doctor refused to discuss birth control with me I simply found a new doctor. Going against one's belief shouldn't be forced on anyone. I think religious convictions should trump the law in these cases.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
28 Feb 09
Exactly. There really is no shortage of doctors in this country. I don't see why someone can't just choose a doctor that agrees with them on such issues. Frankly I think it's crazy to be against birth control, but that doesn't mean I should be able to force my doctor to prescribe it. The abortion thing is what bothers me most though. This policy would force doctors to commit and act that they consider murder, thus violating the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm. Force that and I think you'll see a lot of good doctors quitting.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
28 Feb 09
Not only that but think of the faith-based hospitals that would close or be bought out. Then how could one even be sure of the quality of care?
@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
6 Mar 09
I am pro-choice, but not necessarily pro-abortion. Being pro-choice should mean that medical professionals have the right to CHOOSE not to perform a procedure they find morally objectionable. When a person is FORCED to do something, all CHOICE has been removed.
This could set a dangerous precedent, when people are forced to do something they don't want to do, they typically do a piss poor job of it - just something for the "let's force people to do stuff" crowd to think about.
Liberals are not pro-choice, they do not want anybody to have a choice in anything at all! They are about control, and forcing their agenda on people who would not choose what they want to do to us if given a choice.
Are they pro-abortion? Yes, if you are pregnant, they will try to make you feel that you have only one choice and that is abortion - they don't inform you of your other options at all! That is not what pro-choice means to me.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
6 Mar 09
Thank you. That is precisely why I make a clear differentiation between pro-choice and pro-abortion. People like the "nurses" at Planned Parenthood who are willing to cover up child rape and abuse in favor of a prompt abortion are disgusting and have no right to call themselves pro-anything, but abortion.
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@stacyv81 (5903)
• United States
4 Mar 09
wow! That isnt fair, there are so many doctors out there that will do it, that you shouldnt force someone too!
However, there might be a loophole, I mean they could still refer them to someone who could do it right? Or they making it so they HAVE to do it?
Even still, I could see where even referring someone to someone who could do it would be against their beliefs.
Awful day for doctors with morality.
And horrible news for me, since I am against abortion!
@stardustcdsd (1856)
• India
2 Mar 09
ok people.i read all ur comments and i also the link taskr36 gave but i still dont know wat u r talking about.can anyone explain it for me?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
2 Mar 09
We are talking about the health care conscience clause that allows health care providers to refuse abortions and other procedures that conflict with their morals or religious beliefs. According to this article Obama reversed the Health Care Conscience Clause although now there seems to be some question as to whether he reversed the entire clause or just a new rule put in place by Bush.
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• United States
1 Mar 09
It is quite interesting and sad how Obama has made such quick decisions about the subject of abortion in such a short amount of time. Along with this recent move, Obama earlier reversed a Bush decision to prevent US tax dollars to go toward supporting funding efforts for abortions internationally.
Pro-abortionists who question where life begins sure know where it ends apparently without any thought on the true impact of killing the innocent. I guess if a life hasn't been assigned a social security number then it isn't considered a life and maybe that is the issue that Obama has with the unborn...their inability to be taxed!!!!
"I am against abortion because I am a former fetus."