Does Anybody Know When This Insanity Will End??
By rodney850
@rodney850 (2145)
United States
March 2, 2009 7:37am CST
In less than 6 months the US government has increased the national debt by over 1.75 trillion dollars!(yes, that is 1 and 3/4 TRILLION dollars) If anyone doesn't believe this, just do the math! 1) Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008-$700 billion 2)2009 Stimulis Package-$787 billion 3)2009 Housing Bailout $275 billion and now, the most recent 4)AIG second round of aid-$30 billion! This adds up to 1 trillion 792 billion!
What I want to know is:
Do you believe, given the present administration and congress, there is any way this insanity will stop any time in the forseeable future?
If so, who will emerge as the voice of reason?
Personally, I don't believe there is one ouce of fiscal responsibility in Washington DC, period! I don't believe (at least for the next four years)that the bleeding is going to slow down, much less stop. Obama has already presented his 10 year spending plan which mercilessly puts America in the hole to the tune of 23 trillion dollars(more than double what it is now)and there doesn't seem to be an end in sight!
Your thoughts?
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8 responses
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
2 Mar 09
Xfahctor,
I hate to say this, but my prediction for the dow isn't pretty. I don't see a bottom until we reach 3 digits. That's 999 or lower. I hope to God I am wrong but it really feels like the investors of this country are taking their money while they still can and putting it where the socialistic government we have right now can't affect it as much, gold maybe.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
2 Mar 09
Oh no doubt, gold is white hot and the more the dollar drops in value, the more gold will climb. A lot of commoners though are investing in consumables like, well, extra food to keep handy. I would love to own some gold, in the next year, it will be the only type of exchange worth anything. Problem is, if no one has any money to buy it, it's just a pretty chunk of metal. We also face the possibility of the government pulling what FDR did back in the day and confiscating gold.
I would say the best investment anyone could make right now would be stored dried and canned goods, seeds and perhaps livestock. I'm already picking up extra stuff when I shop, gotta get it while I can still afford it, once inflation hits, and it will, food is going to skyrocket.
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
2 Mar 09
From this point on the value of the dollar will increase. Some prices are coming down and others will follow. I don't care what anyone else tell you the true value of our dollar is determines by how much you and I can bring home when we spend our dollars. The price of gasoline dropping proves this. When the price of gasoline dropped from $4 a gallon to $2 a gallon the value of the dollar you spent for gasoline doubled. The price of housing has dropped and will drop more. Many other things will also drop the more we get into this big mess. People are being forced to drop their prices in order to make enough sales to stay in business. This trend is going to get a lot worse before it even thinks about getting better.
I agree with you on the stock market. On 10-05-08 the Dow was 10,322 and right now it is 6,853. It has been a steady decline and it is not going to stop. It has lost almost 4,000 points since last October which is only 5 months. I look for the rate of loss to increase any time but even at this rate it would be below 1,000 in about 7 months. If Obama doesn't stop getting on National TV every few days it isn't going to take 7 months. As far as I am concerned it could completely die and never come back. The country would be better off.
Art
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
2 Mar 09
Oh don't worry all this crap will end, when these idiots completely crash our economy. Then we are all going to be too busy just trying to survive to worry about much else. That's when things will calm down and the working people start working together and telling the government to go to H*ll and stay there. In all my life I have never before seen so many idiots gathered together in Washington. They have no idea of what is going on and could care less. All they are concerned with is doing all they can for the ones that can get them reelected. That just doesn't happen to be the working families that really need their help.
As far as Obama is concerned if he keeps on saying he is going to raise the tax on the rich we won't be troubled with him much longer. You don't threaten the profits of the rich in the United States and live long enough to talk about it. It will probably look like terrorist did it but it won't be. All these bail outs are doing is making a bad situation even worse. We have a lot more of the bad ahead of us yet.
Art
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
2 Mar 09
Arkie,
What really scares the ever-lovin' he11 out of me is not knowing just how far this will go. Do you think we ought to learn Chinese just in case they end up owning the whole country?
@Arkie69 (2156)
• United States
2 Mar 09
Hi Rodney,
It scares me too. I was thinking along these lines the other day. All that has kept China at bay is the fact they didn't have the money for much of a war. This isn't the case now. For many years China has had the manpower to invade any country and win but they didn't have the tools and the money. Now they have both thanks to the US and a few other countries.
By importing so much of China's cheap junk we have made them rich. If we are not real lucky China will find a reason to turn on us and use our own money to beat us. We don't have near enough troops, US Military and State National Gard combined, to stop an invasion from China. They can simply put more men on our shores than we can kill without killing a lot of Americans with them.
A good old fashioned world war may be just the ticket to get us out of the depression and our government and the big money people outside the government are just stupid enough to start one. That's what got us out of the last one in the 30's and 40's. Obama is just the man to push for one.
Art
@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
2 Mar 09
The insanity does not end until economists get the courage to tell the American people the truth. The LAW OF SUPPLY AND DEMAND can not be repealed or even suspended. The increase in the money supply to fund this debt will cause massive inflation. It is a certainity.
If Americans vote democrats out in 2010 and vote out 0bama in 2012 to be replaced by the likes of Sarah Palin, then maybe we can end the insanity. As it is, no matter what we do the nation has been permantly harmed.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
2 Mar 09
Redyellowblackdog,
I totally agree that the law of supply and demand can't and never will be repealed and that is truely why a socialistic economy will never work. The sad truth is that Washington has been living in a sea of red ink for so long it is considered the norm instead of an absurdity which it is. The American people have let these "leaders" get away with this for far too long. I have asked this question many times but I really know the answer. The question? Here it is:
Why is it people who run for an office that pays less than they could make in any given year as a lawyer and then spend 10, 20,30 even 100 times as much as they will make the whole time in office just to get elected?
Why? Because there is tons more money to be made under the table, from the very top on down! Believe me, Monica hasn't been the only one under the table in Washington! (LOL)
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@redyellowblackdog (10629)
• United States
2 Mar 09
I completely agree as to the corruption of most of our politicians. The media shares blame, too. Congressman Ron Paul (one of only a few honest good politicians) was all but laughed at by the media for his sensible and accurate analysis of the problems facing the nation.
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
2 Mar 09
As long as the socialists are running things this insanity will only get worse.
For all of his campaign rhetoric against Bush and his spending, the 0bamunist has already outspent Bush in the same time period, and promises do spend a lot more.
I believe that he and the democrats are deliberately trying to destroy our economy with all of this socialist spending.
I find it revealing that the economy was doing well at the end of fiscal 2006, but it started to tank shortly after the democrats got control of Congress in the 2006 election... and yet still managed to convince their foolish supporters that the economic woes was the fault of Bush and the republicans.
Well, the communists have no conservatives to hide behind now.
@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Of course not.
It will be the taxpayers for the next several generations who will be paying for the things that the 0bamunist and his comrades in the socialist democrat party are doing.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
2 Mar 09
It will end when the states finaly smarten up and put the federal government back in it's propper continstitutional palce. This is happening and a quickening pace though. New Hampshire being one of the most recent to introduce a resoultion demanding the compliance of the federal government to the 9th and 10th amendments and the constitution as a whole, or face being disloved and re formed.
Things have absolutely run amok in Washington, it is, as you put it, insanity, insanity like we have never before seen in this nation and I'm astounded more people aren't disgusted or outraged by it. Our founders would certainly NEVER have allowed or put up with a fraction of the nonsense going on down there right now.
@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
2 Mar 09
Xfahctor,
I agree, talk about your proverbial "rolling over in their graves", our founding fathers are having a gymnastics meet in theirs!
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
3 Mar 09
yep, basicly. In more complex terms, we continued the trend of electing the same corrupt bodies back in to every office in federal government. How do we continually elect the same twp parties in for tha last century and call it "change"?
@albert2412 (1782)
• United States
2 Mar 09
People get the kind of president that they want to have. Obama was the lawyer for Tony Rezko, Obama believes it is ok to tare the arms and legs off of unborn babies and to crush their skulls, etc. He is a Democrat and apparantly believes that you can solve any problem by spending enough money. The only way to stop this insanity is to impeach Obama and to kick the Democrats out of office in Washington.
@mikeysmom (2088)
• United States
3 Mar 09
none of what they have done is going to help me in any way. we continue to struggle on our own with no end in sight. i tried to negotiate with my credit card companies and they will not budge, my mortgage company will not remove a late fee i incurred this past month because people who owed us money on jobs my husband did paid us late and in turn we had to pay our mortgage late. our savings, what little we did have is gone as we had way more emergencies with being short on cash this past two years and i have even had to borrow from my sons savings acct. it is pitiful really.