If You Truly Support Prs. Obama... Buy Stock!
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
March 3, 2009 11:20am CST
66,882,230 American voted for Barack Obama in the 2008 presidential election. They say they support Obama, but are they willing to put their money where their rhetoric is?
For Obama to be considered successful as a president, the economy has to improve dramatically. The sooner the recession ends, the more credit he will be able to take. But he can't do that alone, that is where all his supporters come in.
The Stock Market is in freefall right now. Some of that can be attributed to the recession, but most of it has to do with investor confidence. In other words, investors are selling off their stocks for the same reason people who are "upside down" in their mortgages walk away from their homes.
Just think what would happen though if 66,882,230 people bought just 1 share of stock. It wouldn't matter what company they invested in, or what price they bought it at. A 66,882,230 surge would do more for the stock market than any number of trillions from the government.
Now take that to the next level. What if each of the 66,882,230 bought a share every month? We could never ask for a more vibrant and healthy economy!
Just think of the credit Prs. Obama could claim if his first term was marked by turning this recession into a thriving and healthy economy. He could claim to have done it without tax increases or excessive spending. He could balance the budget without the normal tricks used (like off budget spending and unfunded mandates to states, cities and the people).
If each of you who voted for Obama would just do this one thing, you could help make Prs. Obama go down in history as the greatest president ever.
Are you willing to do your part? If not, why not?
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16 responses
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
3 Mar 09
Funny you should mention stocks because I've been thinking a lot about investing. More for selfish reasons, but if the end results help the economy then I consider that a bonus.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Mar 09
Then the time to act is now! Are you willing to use your own money to help the economy and Prs. Obama? Yes, it is a selfish and a helpful thing... to me that means "win win".
If you do, let me know what you invested in. I'd really like to see how many Obama supporters are willing to try this.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
3 Mar 09
I hope you aren't calling me an Obama supporter!!!
I just signed up with share builder on ING where I already have an account. A sad, sad little account so I have to put some money into it. It may be foolhardy because currently while we have money a good portion has to be put away from my daughter and I'm legally bound but I'll scrape together those pennies and invest what I can.
I don't know what kind I'll go after. I want to get myself familiar with the market first.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Mar 09
Sorry, I had you mixed up with someone else here at Mylot.
Good on you for investing though!
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
3 Mar 09
It makes no sense to buy stock in a company that will likely fail so now is definitely NOT the time to invest. My husband and I have been watching some technology stocks that I'm interested in but these companies have to survive before we invest. Once I see an indication that they're going to hang in there, we'll invest and we won't be buying just one share. The Stock Market is about making money, not about proving your support for your president. Your idea would help some businesses but there are many that are beyond help.
By the way, I'm a big supporter of buying good stock when the price is low. I almost bought stock in Cisco when it first came out because I knew it's potential but I chickened out. Had I bought what I could afford to risk back then I could have sold those shares last year for well over a million. I'm still kicking myself over that one.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Mar 09
Well, you aren't an Obama supporter, so this idea isn't targeted to you.
The purpose of this idea is to either expose Obama supporters for not being willing to do anything whatsoever on their own, or challenge them to do something that is very much within their power to do.
In short, it is challenging them to put their money where their rhetoric is. If all they are about is getting the government to force others to act, then they don't deserve the freedom they have.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
3 Mar 09
I'm sorry, Ted, maybe I'm a little touchy today but I'm tired of faceless people on the internet telling me what I am and what I'm not when none of you know me at all. You say I'm not an Obama supporter yet you directed your discussion at every person who voted for the man and I'm one of them. Granted, it had more to do with how badly John McCain's campaign went after he chose Palin as his running mate and decided to run a very ugly campaign but, regardless, I'm in that very large number of people you cited. I haven't seen it written anywhere that, if you vote for a candidate you're required to agree with, approve of and support everything he/she says or does. I have a mind of my own and I suspect that other folks who voted for Obama possess the same brain matter. Your challange, in short, is an attempt to take away people's freedom of choice because to not meet your challange, according to you, defines them on your terms which is very derogatory. You really have no idea what "all" anyone is about because we're all individuals with our own thoughts, our own opinions and our own priorities.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
3 Mar 09
No I don't, Ted. I'm more interested in my personal finances than in taking part in something that would be impossible to coordinate and for the purpose you stated. I don't care if Obama ends up being the greatest president in history or not. I care about getting through this recession and possibly making some money in the stock market once it bottoms out and it's safe to buy what I want to buy.
By the way, forgive me if I have this wrong, but how would this plan prevent companies from closing their doors anyway and paying off their shareholders once the value of the stock has been artificially increased? Usually the CEOs own majority shares. Off the top of my head, a company that makes roofing material for new homes...or any other provider of building material for new homes. With new home starts at an all time low there is still no market for the products.
@laglen (19759)
• United States
4 Mar 09
I was going to invest a little this year. Instead, I invested it in food. This was good, I bought it at double the price it has now tripled. Good investment. Now lets look at the Obama supporters and your idea. Lets go a step further, how about his supporters each buy one then the people that didn't vote for him - dump one. My guess is that the majority that voted for him, do not and will not buy stocks. While your idea would be a success, it wouldn't happen. I did not vote for him and I have no faith in what he is doing. The best investment really was in food!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Mar 09
Actually Laglen, that is a better idea! I've done some checking and while it is doable, it isn't as easy as I thought it would be.
Investing in food extra, non parishable food would be a great way to both improve the economy as well as help even those on the lower end of the economic scale at least have something to eat.
I've been a longtime supporter of preparing for emergencies by keeping at least 72 hours to a week of food on hand. A month to a year is even better, but that's something that takes some time to build up.
Thanks, I think I'll do some checking into this and make this my challenge for Obama supporters.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Mar 09
Absolutely, rotation of storage is very important. But that's even easier than people think... especially if they are willing to learn from others mistakes. Hopefully people can learn from your experiences.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
4 Mar 09
You have to be careful about stockpiling food...even nonperishables...because they have expiration dates and if you don't use them, you end up throwing money in the trash when you have to get rid of them.
I live in Florida, laglen...Ted already knows this. We keep our pantry stocked as a preparation for hurricane season. In the beginning I ended up throwing stuff away...canned food as well as bottled juices...because I didn't bother to check "use by" dates. Now I have a better system. I check my pantry at the beginning of every month and buy throughout the year instead of only during the June to November storm season. This time I had to move two bottles of juice to the frig since they expire this month. Because we have 5 grandchildren and two sets of parents down here who would make our home their base if we were without power for any length of time I stock enough food and water for 11 people for two weeks...worst case scenario in my opinion. Even those jugs of bottled water have a "use by" date so you have to be careful.
@pyrofortress (192)
• United States
4 Mar 09
I don't support Prs. Obama. I wouldn't want the credit to go to his name. Maybe when the next president comes along, I'll be more happy with the results, and then buy 1 stock every month.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Mar 09
So as far as you're concerned the nation can rot for the next 4-8 years?
@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
4 Mar 09
So you're willing to cut your nose off to spite your face, just because you don't support the current president? That's stupid! How many folks profited off of this stupid war yet didn't support Bush?
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
4 Mar 09
The economy runs in cycles. So eventually, the market would recover despite the President. That is unless of course he passes stupid legislation that hampers the restoration of that confidence. Which by the looks of this budget, we are going to be in this depression longer. There are even names for the ups and downs of the cycle, the bull and the bear. The stock market actually runs on faith and confidence. The faith of the people to invest their money in companies, and the confidence that these companies will make the investors money. No one gambles to lose. What has really happened is the people have lost their faith and confidence. No one invests in a sure fire losing hand. What the President has to do is restore the faith and the confidence. So far, he has not done that. Maybe if he started injecting hope instead of doom and gloom, he might be able to keep the depression from getting much worse.
Right now, most people can't afford to spend that one dollar on stock because that one dollar is needed for groceries, the rent, or utilities that are necessary for survival. It may not seem like a lot but in this economy and with the months ahead, every dollar counts and what you spend it on counts even more.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Mar 09
Absolutely... but what would happen to the ups and downs if there was an increase of 66,882,230 shares of stock? What would happen if there was a monthly increase of that many?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Mar 09
I bet it would do a lot more than the trillions that are being thrown at the problem today!
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
3 Mar 09
Para, I would love to buy stock right now, but I can't afford to because of the Bush recession. I didn't make enough to get a huge Bush tax cuts, I didn't own an oil company, a denfense company, or an insurance company, so I actually had to earn my money. I didn't own a bank, or start up a bank, so I didn't get any free money from Paulson, and Bush. I am just a normal American trying to get by, untill the new president can fix the mess that the republicans created.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Mar 09
If you aren't willing to put your money where your rhetoric is, then you don't support Obama. All you have is excuses and empty accuasations.
So "the rich" should just do it all, right? What if they don't want to use their money to support Obama anymore than you do? Should they be forced to do what you refuse to do yourself?
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Don't let Ted get to you. This discussion smelled so much like bait from the start that my hunting dog started to whine as soon as I opened it.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Para, I don't have any extra money because of the mess that Bush put this country into. Wall Street isn't a current gage of the economy, it is said that Wall Street recovers six months before the rest of the country does. The problem with our country is that we put to much stock in what Wall Street says, and what it does. Corporate America hires, and fires workers to make Wall Street happy, our economy is held hostage by Wall Street. I have purchased stocks in the past, but I am currently to busy trying to take care of my family, due to the Bush recession.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
3 Mar 09
I am invested in the Stock Market because I believe in America and the Free Market. I am not investing at this time because the market will continue to fall, a few rallies here and there, and I am waiting for the bottom then I will invest. I have no faith in the Stimulus Package as it is full of pork and political pay backs. My faith is in the American Free Market.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Mar 09
But wouldn't amazing things happen in our economy if 66,882,230 people bought a share of stock?
This call to action isn't to Obama opponents, it's to Obama supporters. I have no doubt though that it will fall on deaf ears, since I doubt most Obama supporters really care enough to put their money where their rhetoric is.
@scorpiobabes (7225)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Now I read this discussion, and I'm biting my tongue. I know this is an ideal time to buy some of our oldest companies, but I can't do that right now. You wanna know why? I'm earning a quarter of what I should be at this point in my life. I also have MS, which makes life difficult at times (esp without health insurance). The biggest problem is that the same people who put our country in this mess ARE STILL IN CHARGE! I've lost over a $100k in 'paper' money on my home--and now they're trying to save it??? It's become a tremendous burden--Citibank's dying and they're replacing the captain with me (to go down with the ship)! Obama's trying to get things started, but no one remembers history...remember 1929? That was because stocks (paper money) had their values increased...only for someone to wake up and say Hey! I want some cold hard cash! but there wasn't any because it was never real!!! Fast forward to 2008.... same scenario, except replace stocks with real estate values...see where I'm going with this? All this 'loan remodification' crap is only going to keep us in debt forever!
I honestly don't see a way out unless things change drastically in corporate America as well as the government. The 'bailout' money isn't free--it's still gotta be paid back! People need to wake up--if we don't change our thinking, we're going to repeat the 1930s again!
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Mar 09
And as long as we, as individuals continue to expect everyone to do everything, but we don't think we should have to do anything, we not will not only continue to slide into a depression, we deserve one.
@youdontsay (3497)
• United States
4 Mar 09
Actually, that is great advice!
"The Stock Market Isn't as Bad as you Think
Most of the stocks plummeting in 2009 are in financial companies. Meanwhile, 172 of the stocks in the S&P 500, around one third, are in positive territory. Many will continue to fare well during a recession. The indiscriminate selling that was a hallmark of the market at the end of last year appears to be over...hopefully for good." (CNN Money)
@olivebranch56 (910)
• United States
3 Mar 09
HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA!HA! You go Brother Ted!
@Pitgull (1522)
• United States
3 Mar 09
You know that 1% that has like 98% of the wealth?
If Americans all had money, they probably would not have voted for Obama.
Why do you think 95% tax breaks sound so good to us?
We know that 5% cannot apply to most of us, because we don't have the money....but many of the 95% are working more than they probably should...or can....
The Stock Market is a nightmare because of unregulated areas that allowed "creative accounting" to flourish. Greed, and focus on the short-term...disregarding the fact that the entire country depends on the economy...is what go us into this mess...
Leveraging got us into this mess....operational and financial....sending more of our jobs overseas and decreasing American production....accumulating massive debt to place on others... The criminals are being rewarded, and yet you want the citizens to pay more? Why? So these CEOs and CFOs can go on their trips to Vegas and do who knows what with our money?
Yeah right. I'm scraping enough money to stay in my townhome and continue going to school... I can't even afford to go to the doctor and I have insurance....
But you think we need to keep giving more of our money to the company's that got us into this mess? What about their research departments and forecasting...like with the Automotive industry--it's not hard to realize that oil would eventually run out, or prices may cause some issues...reliance upon a finite resource does not sound like a good business strategy to me...If they had invested in development and research, instead of just making more gas guzzling vehicles...maybe they wouldn't need to be bailed out. Maybe if AIG did not give out loans to make a quick buck, and people had only taken out a loan they could afford, maybe we wouldn't be in such a bad spot. DEBT is the issue, and these businesses should fail. The only way America can truly recover is if we improve what got us into this mess. Maybe starting with the good businesses will help...not throwing money at those that obviously did not succeed.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Mar 09
Ah, the mindless excuses begin!
Did I say which companies you should buy a stock in? No. You could buy a stock in an ethanol, green or other left thinking company. You could buy a stock in a company that produces things you buy all the time anyway.
You're right about leverage, but this idea wouldn't involve leverage at all. It would be a chance for Obama supporters to actually SUPPORT the economy instead of just expect everyone else to do "something"
Are you willing to put your money where your rhetoric is?
@jonesy123 (3948)
• United States
3 Mar 09
Interesting idea. There are quite a few bargains out there, which should be worth a pretty penny once the economy recovers....
But I doubt the majority of people who voted for Obama can even afford a single share of stock. They saw him as their savior who'll give them money, save their house, give them a job. They don't have a dime to spare.
That leaves people like Warren Buffett... Oh, I forgot, after giving Obama his support he now completely disagrees with him on economic policy. Maybe losing billions does hurt. And who wants to end a career on a sour note, lol.
How about Hollywood greats.. Clooney and the others who so greatly lend their support... ah, Hollywood is fickle and they want to live comfortably. They would only invest a fortune (as they are among the few left who could..well, they need to spent millions to boost the economy) if they would see an advantage in it. Actors make great politicians because they are so used to the 'you scratch my back, I scratch yours' mentality...
Nope nobody will do it to help out poor Obama. But don't worry, people will start buying, when they see that there is a future in the company and the stock is at a bargain price right now. Last summer, even fall, I would have said buy when the market is around 7,500. However with our current administration's spending spree and lack of organization and oversight (how often have they promised that now?), I would say, wait till it hits 5,300 something. Point is, nobody really knows what this administration is going to do. Right now it looks like a free for all on pork and little initiative in areas where it's needed. The stock market will go up again, there is no doubt about it, the question is more as to when and which companies will survive. Therefore, investors have to rethink their investment strategies, re-analyze company values and survivability. And they have to shake the jitters they got from the tumble. That will take a while.
Okay, getting off course here..;)
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Mar 09
If they are expecting extra money because Obama is in office, they could use part of that extra money to buy a share of stock. Everyone who gets the Earned Income Credit can afford stock with part of that check.
If they truly support Obama, they would find a way.
@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
4 Mar 09
That's exactly what I have been thinking. Why aren't his supporters buying stock? Maybe because most of the people who support him think he's going to give them stock?
This might seem like a silly question but I remember hearing a lot when I was younger about "investing in America" by buying U.S. savings bonds. Whatever happened to that? Why aren't they pushing them?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
3 Mar 09
Are you willing to put your money where your rhetoric is? Or is your support for him limited to comments here at Mylot?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
3 Mar 09
The answer is easy Ted. The people who voted for Obama don't want to give their money or spend their money. They elected Obama so they could TAKE money from the government and from the wealthy Americans in this country. The government OWES them. They don't owe the government $hit and you can't expect them to give back when the people running our government can't even pay the REQUIRED taxes.