If God just is, why can't the world/universe just be as well?

What is this other source?

enuma elish

Your post makes no sense. You start with the assumption that there is a God, and you presume he is the "alpha and omega" without any evidence besides your own opinion to back it up. Just because it's written in a book doesn't mean it's true. Show me there is a god, then prove to me he is the god that created everything. Maybe then I will take your post seriously.

God is in front of you I CAN SEE HIM can you ? Njoy

"God is in front of you I CAN SEE HIM can you? " My computer is God? You can see it? Wow, that's impressive.

If evolution is a myth than life on this planet is a myth. Welcome to an imaginary world of your own making. Seriously, if evolution is a myth than chemistry, geology. biology, genomics and a host of other sciences are also a myth. You are ignoring the accumulated knowledge of the entire scientific community and embracing ignorance if you think evolution is a myth.

Evolution is a MYTH

In fact you are ignoring the facts my friend evolution is a myth of course the darwanian evolution Njoy

All thought is energy, and once generated it goes on forever. Humankind is a complex mesh, woven in a complicated pattern, stretching world wide, and yes, we are all part of a web of interacting thought. You can see now, how thoughts of Love can Energize the Universe, and help to make the world a better place.

Is hatred energy? How does it fit into this picture? I am more of a misanthrope myself, would I fit into this ideal concept? Simplicity is often the best solution. Especially when you consider that so many things can not truly be known. People complex things so much which inadvertantly lead to wars and continued hatred between people for stupid reasons, yet a simple lifestyle based on these few fundamental things have found so many people peace and happiness. It is quite amazing, actually. I examine the simplicity of beliefs like Hinduism and Satanism, and see how no wars have been fought in their name; yet so many people are willing to fight for their God in a more organized religion like Christianity or Islam. I think these religions are so about consuming people into a massive flock that they lose sight of the simple things that really are able to give a life value and meaning. The simple relationship of love I have with my girlfriend has given me more meaning than the many years I walked in Christianity.

But belief and faith only go so far. Scientifically speaking, no God has been proven to exist and therefore can not be thanked for creating the world. You can quote scripture all you want and have it drilled into your mind, but until it is a proven fact it is meaningless in a debate such as this.

Yea but what if at the end,your stuck at the bottum of a burning pit for eternity feeling nothg but pain? lmao.... Just that thought right there makes me wish they would hurry up and find out wich Is right already so I know who i need to follow or what to do to stop that from happening...lol

If one believes in evolution, it inadvertantly becomes a belief. You just reworded things. You make absolutely no sense, haha. Whether it is scientific or religious, they are both beliefs. Science is generally proven (except, basically, origin science which is almost exclusively unproven theories).

Thanks for speaking honestly, usually I am finding that religious people try to cover up their faith in a crude attempt to make it seem logical (scientifically). Still, not rationalizing this seems fairly foolish to me. Your entire being is hanging on the thread that god may or may not exist. The thread is shortened because you are choosing one specific god over the millions of gods in existance. The heart has a lot of meaning to a person, but it can also be a deciever. Take for example many people who feel they are in love, and the relationship does not work out. Their heart said "I am in love!", but the reality of things is that they are not. There was a time I attributed god to helping me with my depression, as well. But, he did not. This was a period of weakness and of desire for something higher than me to make me feel as if I was worth any existance. In this sense, I think the idea of god is just the ultimate placebo. And as far as scientists are concerned, yes some of them are coming out about intelligent design; however most of them who do are, in fact, Christian scientists. This may be one reason it is kept on the "down low" (though, ironically, most people know about intelligent design, at least on a basic level).

Science does not disprove god, nor does it prove him. It explains the physical characteristics of the earth and universe, as well as its inhabitants. Without science we would not understand basic concepts such as gravity, nor would be understand how vital exercise is daily to keep our hearts and minds well. I only believe in the work of science (and likewise, scientists) because they usually don't just make theories (like origin evolution), but test every hypothesis with a well organized experiment (often blind or double blind). If you need to contribute all of these intricacies to a god, than do as you wish. I do not think an intricate world, necessarily, needs to be created. Everything seems so intricate and well put together just because each of us humans are so small in comparison to the larger scope of things.

If there was proof then it wouldn't be called faith. It would be called science.

The even bigger picture is that even God is not proven, despite the fact so many people believe in him. You seem like a reasonable believer in God, but still the fact remains: faith does not equal to proof. This is assuming you are talking about the God of a religion like Christianity or Islam. I do agree with you though that people are hell bent on labelling everything, and that some things deserve to be a little more simple because they are generally the same (just by a different name). Even looking at the division within Christianity (catholics, baptists, non-denominational, etc.), people are actively breeding unnecessary diversity (and with it, prejudism). And concerning the golden rule, philosophically it is fundamentally flawed. I even had the chance to discuss it with some very interesting people at school, and while on a basic level it appears to be a nice thing; deep down it can technically breed harm when truly acted on.

It would also be called the end of pointless debates about the past, present, and future. That is the unfortunate truth. Much of science is not really "debated" after things are proven, why? Because they are proven. This is why science is superior, even if it has its flaws occasionally. I am no science "lover" by any means, but I just enjoy knowing something as true because it was tested and experienced and proven beyond personal testimony.

Fact is defined as something that actually exists, or something having objective reality that can be verified according to an established standard of evaluation. Fact may be argued under authority of a specific pedagogy, such as scientific facts or historic facts. My friend the Bible is where you find the facts, the established standard and the historic facts. There is nothing scientific about God. Whether everyone, no one or some people follow God, it does not eleminate the fact that God does exist. That is all I have to say, have a great day.

You must not understand what makes something a fact. If it was a fact, most people would be following this god. I know I would. It is not a fact, it is a faith based belief.

I agree with you on that as well. Does it really matter? Not at all. I just like stirring a debate occasionally and seeing what other people think. Its not as if I could come in here and proove with any evidence that this idea is true, but I just like to see the response when "science" says the world just "existed" from the religious who think "god" just "existed." Its just an interesting topic for me all around.

Understanding why a person believes something doesn't prove the existance of what they believe in (or non-existance). That is, unfortunately, the problem with every belief that is solely faith based. I think the primary reason I posted this discussion is to show that science and religion are practically one in the same (at least in terms of origin science, which is almost entirely based on unproven theories). I also think that the problem with religion and science is that they both seem to turn each other off. Ask a religious person to question the existance of god, and you may be slapped (haha). Ask a scientist to be open to the possibility of a higher being, he may also slap you. Science and religion just breed ignorance and close-mindedness. I grew up in a Christian school, so I can relate with how you see the world (though I grew out of it, really). In church they drill you that the world came from God in a seven day process. In Christian school they drill you that God is real and the same deal. It is stuff like this that just makes people ridiculous and overly caught up in beliefs, which may have value to them personally; but completely destroys human to human contact when that person becomes so biased and believes anyone who does not believe in god is a fool. This is what I have encountered in my journey to try and figure out this life in some way for myself.