Just Plain confusing?
By zandi458
@zandi458 (28102)
Malaysia
March 6, 2009 3:02am CST
You are right when you say that this is a virtual world and the people we meet here everyday are only virtual friends and can't take their words to be truthful and honest. For all you know they are saying the same rosy words to others for their own entertainment and to some is only a game of the mind. How beautiful?I don't usually share my life with people online but when asked and pestered I would hesitantly share something that might give them something to complete the picture in their own vision and conclude at their own thought. It is not an easy call, but we can learn to differentiate between good and bad. People who don't know me well might misinterpret my words or think I am being deceitful, judgemental and trying to be what I am not and fantasizing uncomplished dreams.
Friendship is asked but leave as soon as they come. It is really difficult to explain the whole situation in this virtual world unless you see with your own eyes. The human heart doesn't like taking orders from the mind. I am no puppet on the string but innocent I might be, believing every tom,dik and harry that passes my way, it is better to learn to be partially blind to the truth and not being victimized. I am not telling you to lie to anyone. But when it comes to the truth about issues that are extremely personal, you want to wait until you feel this person cares enough to really care (Doesn't that makes sense!) Everyone is not worthy enough to have a 'key to that intimate, personal part of your life - Remember, in the beginning there are some things you tell and some things you do not tell your online friends.
Do you care to be honest about your personal life in social place like mylot? Or it is only a fiction of yourself that you are exposing to the world?
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37 responses
@Dday50627 (359)
• United States
6 Mar 09
As I read the words here, I wonder in my heart of them. This is a virtual world and therefore there are things that must be given stronger here than in a world that you can look the person dorectly in the eye or run over to their house and see if they are really out or just hiding in their living room, shades pulled. And it is the hardeest thing to give whether it be the "real" world or this "virtual" world. That word of course is "Trust." It is the word you base what you will and what you wont tell to prople on here about yourself. Much of what a person finds to care for or fall in love with on line is either of a picture or the person you are talking to giving you a description of them selves. It can be very hard to give of yourself in this "virtual" world and once you do, you not only expose yourself but often times, the one that you love here. Because it is hard to LOVE someone here and not have them come up, even if un-named in your questions and responses. Of course they will. they have your heart now and so your responses will surely have a little bit of them in them.
The virtual world can be confusing and can often lend to confusion or even misunderstanding or false thoughts of the one you love being off somewhere else, "playing" silly games with others. Time in between seeing one another can leave one wondering how they are filling their time when they are not with you.
I think one VERY important thing to remember is this, and yes, it is hard at times to remind yourself. Outside of this very "REAL" world of virtualism, that person you have given love to, that person you have opened your soul too has a life they have lived forever on the "outside" of the screen. They have, just as you do, jobs and family and friends and projects that they must tend to and sadly, no matter how very deep the Love is, no matter how Deeply you may in fact Love them with your everything, the "outside" of the screen takes presidence. their life with their mom and dad or sister and brothers or sons and daughters will overcede the world here because it has too. NOT because they always want it too.
How many of us rush through our day, trying to get back to this screen, to friends here or that someone VERY special that we love, only to have Life happen again and take us away from here for longer than we want. That is where TRUST must come in to play and sadly, the very place that doubt or mistrust creeps in too. If you dont see them anywhere else, if the only sign they have been here is a blog or note, then perhaps life has called them away and there isnt always anything they can do to change that.
Many times, life here is a lonely waiting game and you are right, not everyone is honest always... but if there is Love and there is a oneness, than sometimes all we have is Trust. Not always easy, but if they respect that YOu have a life outisde of the computer and that it often takes you away for long periods, than the same respect is due back. It is not always easy at all but the smiles and Love and giving of each others heart hopefully out weighs the times apart. I am open and honest always but sometimes, i dont offer it all at once...
Hugsssssssss from the Long winded one. Written from my soul... Mwah... Darrel
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
7 Mar 09
Hi Darrel,...I feel I have just completed reading one chapter of your novel after reading your response. Trust is a heavy word to carry in the heart when it comes to love affairs in the virtual world. But is there any possibility of falling in love in the virtual world? I wonder? How could one possibly fall in love with someone in the net? With no eye contact, with no physical touch but only with the meeting of the minds in words written on the screen, do you really fall for that unknown virtual friend? Based on what you wrote here, you sound to be more experience about love in the virtual world, care to share with us. Maybe a writer can dramatize a virtual world love affairs better as you have that artistic mind.
@Dday50627 (359)
• United States
7 Mar 09
ok let me try... Many years ago, during WW II especially, people, families were seperated by the war. Families were strown all over the world and everyone was a stranger. People that had become your friends were suddenly called enemies and communications were often not allowed. Notes and letters became the way of communication. People were encouraged to write families that had been displaced.
Through the writings, many found love. A true Love that existed but only on paper, very much like our screens here.Their love was based on what they told each other and though i am sure that there were liars and false people then as well as now, for the most part, after writing over and over and over, they would come to know one another as if they had sat beside them. Their love grew and many married and lived the rest of their lives together.
Here, it is the same except that the internet has brought the north and the south pole to the same side of the earth. No longer is it a weeks wait in between for responces or 5000 miles between us but a slimline flat screen is all that seperates our worlds. that and the speed of one e-mail reaching me and mine reaching back to her. Even faster are the IM's we can send to one another and the realness it can create.
Love does happen here and 31% of marriages or partnerships are now from on-line meeting. the ratio to staying together versus a "traditional" meeting such as work or through friends is almost exactly preportioned out. So are your concerns about how fake one might be or how "fictional" someone might be bonafide? Of course they are. No different than if you met someone in the market you would want to be sure and know they were real. Is it different here, in this "Virtual" world? I think a little yes. Sometimes we can tell a persons truths and lies by their eyes, their body language, how they react to certain questions or situations. HERE, you cant see their eyes or their movements. So then, how can you know?
If you are feeling love or a closeness with someone here, you want to be around them more. That is where you open YOUR Eyes and Senses. You use that God given intuition and you read their words carefully. Watch their daily life , which if you are falling and getting CLOSEASTHIS, lol, then you are exchanging what you are doing with your days or nights. You talk about your family, friends, that you got a haircut or bought a new outfit today. You talk about what scared you today or what made you stop and think of the one you love. You tell intimate secrets and even share family skeletons at times. And each thing revealed is an open door to look in and se if this person is real or not. They may tell you something and a week later say something different. If you see a pattern then it is probably a sign to get out. My father taught me this... if you alwaysssss tell the truth, you never have to worry if you told it the same the second time. ;) Smart man......
Will you always know? Are there those out there, Predators i call them, that go from heart to heart stealing all they can and doing it in such a way that you didnt even see it? YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Godness, yes. the net is full of them JUST LIKE in the "real" world, as some call it. This too me is as real as any other place. The hearts are real, the smiles are real, the LOVE IS REAL. You simply have to use your head and guide your heart a little more.
If you share your heart and it feels right, then MOST of the time, it is real. Flowers sent to you in the mail do not make it real. there are predetors out there that dont have an issue with dropping 50.00 bucks for flowers if they think they will get so much more in return ater they scam you. Heaert felt communication, understanding, respect and that kindnes that can be felt will say more than flowers. I hope this will help just a little. My words to you all. BE Careful, Be smart, Be watchful and always, always... be YOU.
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
7 Mar 09
I think mylot is going to charge you for occupying a big space here with your long write up. Just joking. I asked for it and now you have come up with a detailed account of your second chapter which had fully satisfied my curiosity regarding what may transpire in the romeos and juliets of the virtual world. Thank you for this information and I come to the conclusion that anything can happen when it comes to the matter of the hearts.
@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
6 Mar 09
why are you so fearful? I am the kind of person who whether it is in "cyberworld" or the actual world I enjoy the connections I make with others. Through mylot I am able to touch and be touched by people I would not normally come across in my real everyday life. I have given hope to others with my words and others have lifted my spirits with theirs. In order for this to happen, yes I have shared my "personal" feelings, thoughts and stories. I do this because I feel we are all in "this" together. I have no problem and I don't fear opening myself up to anyone. I am secure in who I am and I am not afraid of being "hurt" by anyone. As far as giving someone a key to that intimate and personal part of my life, sure there are those parts of myself that only have been shared with the love of my life. why would i lie about what makes me who I am? I have no shame about the way I have lived my life so far. Is there someone who is perfect who has the right to judge me? Whatever good or bad I have done is to be determined by God and myself. If someone is choosing to misrepresent who they are, that says to me that they are ashamed of who they are. I am sorry for them. I am proud of who I am. I am just learning daily and trying to be a better person like a lot of others are. I certainly hope that when someone is encouraging me that they mean it. not to be naive but i think that i can tell the difference.
@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
7 Mar 09
Your question is difficult for me to answer. If I say I come here to earn the pennies then it is not worth the time I spend cos mylot payment is pathetic. I have been here quite sometime now and never tire of being in mylot simply because I have made many friends over the years and most of them are closer to me than my real friends. Maybe I just like to socialize here and share lots of ideas with others globally.
@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
7 Mar 09
I'm not talking about "hooking up" with someone. Sharing your experiences and parts of your life and getting that back in return. I don't give out my personal data such as phone# and address. If I share that I have kids, am married, whatever...I think people all have different reasons for why they are on mylot. you can tell the people who are all about themselves and only interested in money. and the phoney people and stuff. you are very sensitive and "deep". I am not very trusting but sometimes you can tell and really, what are your intentions for being on mylot?
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@spritely (21)
• Philippines
6 Mar 09
It is not necessarily a small fiction about yourself but a small truth about yourself. Of course, we have to be smart enough to know what kind of things we can share and what thing we could not divulge. But you know, confusion like that does not only happen in a virtual world. In real life, you can not just trust everyone. Even people you call your friends can also betray you. I guess, what is important at the end of the day is you are being true to yourself, you don't hurt other people intentionally and you feel good about sharing or knowing or learning things from other people.
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
6 Mar 09
i don't quite understand this discussion. is it what i said about him already had a nest that brought this on. sorry if i offended you. i am a very honest person zandi & do not lie about anything i have done. i'm not always proud of what ihave done but i don't lie about it. sorry if i upset you. you are so easy to talk to i just feel comfortable talking to you.have a good one. if u have time to explain your discussion to me i would appreciate.
@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
7 Mar 09
LOL....No offence made antiquelady. I don't care whether he has a nest or no nest. For all I care he takes care of his nest well and be honest here. So much better if he has a comfortable nest so there'll be no string attached. Mylot is afterall a free trade zone.LOL...
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@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
7 Mar 09
it was just me i guess. i had never mentioned that on here before. u are just too easy o talk to. lol. guess i was feeling guity about even mentioning it. u din't upset me. i got over being upset over that years ago. have a great sat.
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@ivan2000bd (1009)
• Sweden
12 Mar 09
i think i am absolutely honest in contributing my self in social place like mylot. i dont think i have to include any wrong information in a good social communication site and among a good number of friends.
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@balasri (26537)
• India
29 Mar 09
As far as I am concerned I have been open in this forum.All my best friends know where am I from and what am I doing.Everybody knows that I have a small family with the wife and one wonderful daughter.They know the age of my daughter too.I feel free this way not having the burden of hiding something and maintaining it all the time.I hate that pressure.I am just a happy go lucky guy.I can provide more details about me anytime if you want?
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
29 Mar 09
Welcome to my world of friendships. I appreciate your honesty and this is a great way of fostering friendships in the virtual world. I understand what you mean and I think no one would like to carry a heavy burden of emotional baggage either in the real or virtual world.
@jbrooks0127 (2324)
• United States
7 Mar 09
Zandi this is a very thought provoking post and one that should be considered in all of it's implications. It is such a shame I feel that we must be on guard with our personal information but it is so true...we do. Because MyLot has a Global reach and is so open to just anyone that wishes to be a member it is a good practice to not be forthcoming with information that you would not tell a stranger on the street.
This format is so tempting however. It seems to move you to want to be closer to someone you seem to be able to relate to and in more of a hurry than normal. I believe it has to do with the fact you are not looking them in the eye.
For some people however there is a sense that....well what would it matter what I say because we will never meet and so why not make myself look good. Of course that take on it reflects a lack of integrity but for some reason they believe it is okay to be that way.
My personal feeling about this is that you should never relate anything personal on MyLot or any other social networking site that you would not want your worst enemy to know. You are under no obligation to say anything just because you are ask. If you do feel you can relate something it should be in very general terms.
There are a couple ways of determining who you are talking to that may help know the truth. If they sound to good to be true they probably are. If they ask too many questions about what they have no right to know they are not what they want you to think. Follow those two rules and you will be fine.
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@jbrooks0127 (2324)
• United States
20 Apr 09
Well Zandi I can't believe a whole month has gone by and I did not respond to this.
Thank you so much for giving me best response. I am greatfull that my words were that meaningful to you.
You received many great answers and I am very flattered that you chose mine.
Thank you very much.
@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
7 Mar 09
I am glad that this post attracted many people that I least expect to come forward as it is thought provoking, as you said, and requires extra thinking to response. But I like the answers and advice you gave here. Certainly it will guide me throughout my existence in the virtual world. You are a very knowledgeable person and as a novice in the the cyber-world I gained so much from reading your responses.
@sanuanu (11235)
• India
12 Mar 09
Be confused is the better word for you because we as an online friend, don't possess a right to tell you what you should do or what not to do. I have learned from my first online friend that we, virtual friend, hardly know each other and without knowing we can't give solution or we can't come to the conclusion at all.
For me, I don't ask my private questions here because I am afraid that I will get confused with the answers here! I try to be honest with you guys but at times, I can't decide if I am right or wrong.
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@jazzsue58 (2666)
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7 Mar 09
Funny enough, I can divulge things here that I can't to the real world. Not just here though - anywhere that I can hide myself away behind a 'wall of words.' I never lie or make things up (though sometimes it may look that way!) The only time I create a false persona is when I'm filling in paid surveys. Then I can be the CEO of a big company or a 16 year old addicted to Nintendo DS - anything that'll earn me some money! (Of course I don't lie as such, just ask a lot of questions of other people!)
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@jazzsue58 (2666)
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7 Mar 09
That's very true - it's as if your life can be safely unwrapped in a virtual world. that's why I can't create a false persona - I bare my soul on the net in a way I would never do in face-to-face life (I was going to say, "in the real world," like we're all made out of pixels or something on here!) So lying would be a kind of self-betrayal. Why bother to say anything if you can't speak the truth?
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@yyc4220 (43)
• China
12 Mar 09
I think everything has its two sides, right or wrong, day or night, positive or negative. Someone online maybe is deceitful, while others is honest. They can be all existing on the internet.
To me, I rather consider all the friends I meet online is honest than doubt some of them is deceitful. Just an attitude. I always think only you pay out honesty, you can receive honesty. If you're deceitful, it is incredible to receive honesty. Besides, there is no serious conflict of interest between internet friends.
In a word, the world is pretty beautiful in my mind. I don't allow the cloud keeping the sun away.
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
12 Mar 09
What a beautiful compliment you have for our virtual friends. I dare say you are going to draw in many virtual friends in mylot in a very short time with your honesty and soft approach to friendships. I salute your stand and your belief that virtual friends are honest people and should be treated with your honest self.
@yyc4220 (43)
• China
12 Mar 09
I admit that I'm a new entrant in mylot and I need many friends. I also a new entrant in real society and need many friends, too. But I don't depend on compliment as you said.
In my opinion, even I meet someone who is deceitful, he/she can't be hurt me. Maybe what I thing is simple than reality. Maybe I need meeting someone who is deceitful with some hurt. But I'm glad there is no one doing such thing. I'm lucky that I haven't meet such guys or gals. God bless me not to meet them for ever.
But anyway, what your said is an alert to those who has not recognise the danger of internet. It's very useful and practical.
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
6 Mar 09
Hello Zandi! I guess I understand the turmoil in your mind and soul. something must have inspired you to puke forth these words ans they are nicely ordered.
Firstly this virtual friend, say you, is a nebulous thing, it is hazy, even sometime blank. Now I can see the avatar of you and we have exchanged quite a lot and feel I know you sort of and if the exchange goes deeper we would end up becoming good friends. But as I would switch mu PC off you are gone but the essence of your being as calculated already remains and I might be thinking about you sometime in my lonesome moment.
But the virtual you and virtual me when meet in the real world there could be sort of contradiction or could be more that expectation. Possibility of the both can not be denied.
My stand is lets become friend not please do not ask too much about my personal life and , surely I would tell you my herat out as we meet sometime if not let it remain in this shape itself.
@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
6 Mar 09
Hi Rajib, I am glad the post created an impact and made somebody think hard why this discussion is made. LOL What ever you think inspired me to write is anybody's guess. Well, I will never go beyond the boundary of asking personal life. Why should I? Something must be kept locked in the chest and not for public scrutiny.
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@vzihan (145)
• China
7 Mar 09
Hi,zandi,do you believe that in the virtual world our words are less truthful than the real world? However, in my opinion, in the real world,people also hide their real mind and tell lies all the time;sometimes,in the virtual world,people can open their heart to tell their real thought without worrying about the effection of their words and actions.Although I admit that in virtual world there are many untruthful and disordered information because we can not judge a guy on the other side of the cyberspace,there are also some real spirit in the virtual space.I would like to say that there is no basical difference between true and virtual world.I always believe that when we are talking in the cyberspace,we are not talking to others,but we are talking with ourselves.No one will care about your words if you believe that;no one can hurt you in the viutual place if you believe that.If you tell lies and make fun of others in virtual world,you are actually teasing yourself and cheating your own heart;if you talk honestly and believed in your friends,you are believing in your own faith.Good luck!
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@vzihan (145)
• China
7 Mar 09
Do you believe this:sometimes I express my thought,my secret,and my heart in the virtual space,but without telling my best friends my true mind;sometimes I lie in the internet,for example,telling a guy that I am a girl.It deponds on me and the situation and I can contral it.The most important thing is :I can feel who I am.I believe that it is a charming factor of the virtual.
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@menger88414 (17)
• China
6 Mar 09
hey,i'm a novice,o(n_n)o...and i just joined mylot a few minutes ago.I really understand your feeling,you shoun't keep this on mind,just as you said,we need a way to share something happy or awful with someone we don't know,maybe what you need is just a listener rather than an advisor.And sometimes when you finish your complains,your trouble may have gone.
ps i'm a chinens student,and this's my first time to connect with you guys,so there must be many mistakes and i hope you can tolerant.
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
6 Mar 09
well for me I have always told the truth as I see myself.
and no reason to lie about anything I am to old for that.
I think its bad that some people lie about every thing. Just to be included in things I have say so much stuff go on in some chat rooms like in pogo when people talk to one another some times I just can spot the lies lol.
I got where I hardly ever talk in there any more but I have got some good friends there too!
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
6 Mar 09
Hi zandi!
I have been 'meeting' people online for many years now. Before I joined myLot I was using the msn chatrooms. I am convinced that people act the same online as they really are offline - except for occasional exceptions.
It is so hard to keep up an act online, pretending to be what you are not. Your words are read by the same people day after day, expecially if you stick to one site like many of us do here on myLot. How can we live a virtual lie? I feel that those who do act with falsity in what they say are the ones who would disappoint us should we meet them offline. They would be different from how they wanted to appear online and we could indeed feel 'frauded'.
Over time friendships grow with those who are similar. Then and only then, once we are sure by what we 'feel' do we give our friendships the chance to expand and maybe then we can give out more personal details about our lives. I tend to generalise about my own life and only those close to me, be it online or off, know things more personal. Some of these are not particularly happy things and as I see myLot as a fun place, I would not want to burden others with them here anyway.
A lot can be 'felt' through the words written here. it is up to us to decipher with our heart and our head and to make the differences between what is real and what is an act just to gain popularity. It takes time and if in doubt then don't open up. But by being 'on guard' all the time I feel you are missing out on the chance to get to know some really great people who even though you meet them here online and therefore are only virtual, they are sitting at their computer offline and are real people with a heart.
@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
7 Mar 09
Comparatively, I am a greenhorn when it comes to meeting and having live chats online. Even when I first joined mylot I was not that too 'friendly'. I do normal things like posting and responding but not until lately I confuse myself when my antenna sprout out and received signals from all corners of the globe, taking me by surprise of how some people can be drawn to me and vice versa. I know virtual friends are real people like you and me loaded with emotions. I was moved by the beauty of words they say and it didn't take long before my knees turned jelly and my heart weakened. But suddenly I wake up from this fantasy world and realize that some words said are over sensitized and my honesty send wrong kind of signals. There I have it, I hurt people with my honesty and now am trying to be neutral and working closely with logics and reasons whenever I am asked.
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
7 Mar 09
It's not easy zandi I agree. Try to be yourself but be on guard too
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@Annmac (949)
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7 Mar 09
Very true, but instead of lying you just don't say anything. I don't understand why people lie about themselves, if you read several of their posts you can often tell it's untruthful.
My step-dad always told us, "liars get found out because it's easy to remember the truth.
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@catdla1 (6005)
• United States
6 Mar 09
Every time we voice an opinion, we are in fact exposing a little bit about ourselves, or at least what we want people to see. We MyLotters are all virtual people to each other, yet over time by seeing continuity of responses and the thoughts they express, we do get to know the people we call friends here. People we meet in real life, do we actually know them better just because we can see them?
'Seeing is believing' is a statement that has been around forever, yet how literal is it intended to be? Seeing goes beyond what we see with our eyes, it also includes what we see with our hearts. In real life we meet people to become close confidents, others are less personal but can also become great friends because we can unwind and share laughs with. I don't see it being very different just because I will likely never meet the people that I meet online. We share words, thoughts, laughs, irritations, and ideals. Some of the people here have come to mean a great deal to me, I cannot discount them, or pretend they aren't real, just because they are not sitting next to me. Is every one here the person I think they are? Probably not, but that's the same in real life too.
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@zandi458 (28102)
• Malaysia
7 Mar 09
I agree with you fully here. Interacting with the same people here daily can more less sum up their characters or personalities with the ways they put up their words. On my part I have seen people who are really caring, extremely friendly, sensitive but they are no less shocking characters around. Words are beautiful and they can draw people to us and maybe unconsciously my link the mind to the heart. LOL
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@maygodblessu44 (7336)
• India
6 Mar 09
Hello my dear zandi458 Ji,
I live on myself, not on my shadow. I have only on eliving and not dual-personalities.
People having two different ways living will automatically find confrontations in their
dealings. Whatever, I am , I am here in front of you. Why to beat around the bush.
may god bless you and have great time.
@maygodblessu44 (7336)
• India
8 Mar 09
Hello my dear zandi458 Ji,
So nice of your positive comments. Let's have normal and easy way of living.May god
bless you and have a great time.