single women versus single men... spinster versus bachelor?
By sandragellar
@sandragellar (440)
Philippines
March 11, 2009 1:17pm CST
think of a single 30 year old woman. and compare her to a single 30 year old men.
somehow, the woman will be called all sorts of rude names, like spinster and ice queen. on the other hand, the single man will be called bachelor and is deemed as "living the life."
why the double standards? where did the discrimination come from in the first place? why are single men thought of as unattainable, while single women are thought of as undesirable? :(
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16 responses
@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
12 Mar 09
Hey sandra! Isn't that just so unfair? I don't know why that
is the way they look at women, but they do! Alot of women,
like myself just chose not to marry! I was engaged twice, but
decided that marriage just wasn't the right thing for me and
called it off before the it was too late! I would have only
ended up getting divorced! All of my girlfriends that did
get married did end up divorcing! Not one of them stayed
married and all of them ended up going crazy after the marriage
ended because they ended up so badly! So I think that I was
the smart one! I am content with my life! I worked hard, have
always been independent and never needed a man to complete me!
@sandragellar (440)
• Philippines
12 Mar 09
oh, that's right. it seems the situation is reversed after a certain age. i wonder why that is... ^_^
@Darkwing (21583)
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12 Mar 09
I'm not really sure why, but the word spinster comes from way, way back in ancient times. I guess these were times when the woman was thought of as the "baby machine", lol, and the breadwinner was the man. Think back to the times of the ancient warriors, especially the Vikings, who lived for nothing more basically, than robbing with violence and raping the women. Then they would come home to their wives and expect the favours all over again! lol. I think basically, we have always been dominated by men... but then, who were the healers, midwives and cooks? He he!
I think really male ego is the problem here. They have to be "seen" to be single but with a following of young and beautiful women. Don't ask me why that is, but how many men get themselves "stung" by younger women because they're not satisfied with one their own age? Also, women are considered "past" the child-bearing age once past forty odd, so there could be another reason. Most men marry, or did in those days, because they wanted to show their "prowess" by fathering kids. If a woman is past a certain age, she will be considered "fruitless" and therefore a spinster who will in all possibility be left on the shelf by these egotistic guys!!
Brightest Blessings... that's my explanation, for what it's worth! lol.
@mimico (3617)
• Philippines
12 Mar 09
That's true!! I completely agree! I am not thirty yet and yet some of my friends keep asking me why I don't have a bf yet! And my mom keeps reminding me that I have to start looking for a nice guy because age is catching up. I think all this stems from the wrong belief that women need a man to take care of her. In time it'll be socially acceptable for women to become spinsters as well but right now I think people seem to think we need men in order to live, while it's okay for them to be single and happy for the rest of their lives.
@sandragellar (440)
• Philippines
15 Mar 09
wow, talk about peer pressure! lol ^_^ your friends are really trying to push you!
i remember a cousin of mine who always emphasized in her stories that "having a child is great... believe me!" i KNEW that. she didn't have to always look at me and seem like she was trying to convince me, because i don't need convincing.
i sooo wanted to tell her, "not waking up in the midde of the night every 2 hours is great... believe me!" but of course i didn't/ i knew she meant well, but the road to hell is paved with good intentions lol ^_^
i am in a relationship, but it sucks that everyone wants to kick up the pace. as if THEY were the ones in my relationship. sigh... so i understand what you mean!
@modstar (9605)
• Philippines
16 Mar 09
My theory is that it was made to put pressure on women to get in a relationship at least before 30. Maybe, just maybe, because of the biological clock. There's been a rumor that it would be dangerous for a 35 year old woman to get pregnant. I think it all stem from this reason. The ones who see single ladies above 30 must be teens itching to get another teen. I'm 29 and single and i see ladies within my age bracket as very desireable. *winks
@suzzy3 (8341)
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11 Mar 09
Quite a few woman choose not to marry and have a love life as well.perhaps they own their own money and need their own independence it has nothing to do with being left on the shelf.I think woman have become more choosy over the years and will just not settle for a man because of her future.Spinster is not a rude word it is the proper name for an unmarried woman.Ice queen is a bit unkind.It is the same old story men can get away with anything and woman seem to have to tow the line,but things are changing as women develop in their own right.All these terms come from men who have been spurned themselves so I don't think anyone really takes any notice of these dinosaur men still around.Them you got the men who don't want to get married for some reason ,they like their independence or enjoy playing the field.Men do talk between themselves and say things about woman who they cannot get off with.You should here what the woman say about some of the men who think they are easy,I think both sexes can be accused of not being very complimentary about each other.
@sandragellar (440)
• Philippines
12 Mar 09
hi, suzzy!
spinster does pertain to single women, yet it always has a negative context. just like the words voluptuous and fat... they may mean the same, but fat has a much more negative context compared to voluptuous. sometimes, to be kinder, people say "single" instead of "spinster." ^_^
the weird thing is, the words spinster & ice queen sometimes come from women themselves. :( they say things like, "i'm not gonna end up a spinster!" or "look at her, she's probably an ice queen that's why she's not married yet!"
it seems that both men and women associate single women with undesirable traits. but singlehood among men is associated with a desirable picture, albeit a bit naughty. hehe ^_^
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@sudiptacallingu (10879)
• India
12 Mar 09
I think it started from the time men went out to fetch the food and woman was expected to stay at home and keep the fire burning in order to cook the food brought in and serve it at the table. Men are always seen and appreciated as the outgoing types and the more a man has seen the world, the better he is appreciated (all the more better if he is a bachelor with colourful stories)…
A woman past 30 on the other hand would be looked at with suspicion if she chooses to lead a simple homely spinster’s life while on the other hand, few ‘respectable’ men would touch her if she is the outgoing, enjoying her life and having fun type.
Things are changing a lot in some western countries but in majority of societies across the globe, a 30+ singe woman, enjoying her life unattached, is indeed much gossiped about.
@ivan2000bd (1009)
• Sweden
12 Mar 09
interesting post !! i need to see some answer first then i will post some of my views.
@srganesh (6340)
• India
12 Mar 09
Well,it is a male chauvinistic world and how else do you expect to act indifferently.Women are seen as reproductive machines more than live humans and so this attitude towards them.Now,with the upcoming of girls in every field,I hope the situation will be neutralized and those single women will be not be seen undesirable anymore.Cheers!
@queenie1234 (57)
• China
12 Mar 09
Speaking at our single women and single men .If it is a Man,everybody will feel that he did not skill and even his wife are not married.If you are a woman ,everyone will thind she is physically sick.
@kristeng1323 (41)
• Canada
12 Mar 09
I think women in their 30s are more powerful than ever. I have a friend who is 32 and her fiancee is 23. She is successful and confident. I think older women are great because they already have their life together and don't need to rely on a man to provide for her! I say more power to the women who are single and in their 30s
@JBachman (36)
• Canada
12 Mar 09
There are a lot of double standards, humans just can be like that
I think men are starting to change, if you think about the average man 50 years ago comapred to the average man now
(i'm thinking under 30 men) I'd say theres a good chance they'd be less stuck in a Mindset like how you described and maybe a bit more open minded. I think there will be less double standards like this in the fiuture
@tamarafireheart (15384)
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12 Mar 09
Hi sandra,
Well its always been like that since the year dot,men always put women down and that is why it is like this, if a man goes with with several women, he is Jack the lad but if a women does the same she is no good women too free an easy, and yes single men at that age is not thought of like a women that age. Its a shame really.
Tamara
@Spook619 (335)
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11 Mar 09
That's interesting, I've never noticed there being anti-single women discrimination. Maybe it's due to the tradition ideas that a womans' role was to settle down and prodce a family. This combined with the modern ideas of guys that simply want to play hard and fast getting in with as many women as possible, fast cars and big toys might be responsible for the vast change in views towards the genders.