Something I don't get about the economy and I wish someone could explain...
By dismalgrin
@dismalgrin (2604)
United States
March 13, 2009 10:00pm CST
I see everyday that the economy is crap. I remember better times... and that was when I was growing up and poor then too! But, when I became an adult things started going downhill from there. I've never had it good. But, I'm not here to complain about the economy, I'm here to figure something out. I don't get if it's that the worse the economy get's the higher prices for everything got... or if the higher the prices go the worse the economy gets? Seems like it might be just a cycle and somebody should just put a friggin stop to it already! I think many people got tricked in my state when they voted to raise minimum wage. I was against the raise because I was afraid of what happened afterwards actually happening. I was afraid that the prices of everything else would rise too. Because, just because minimum wage got a raise does not mean that those on welfare and ssi got a raise too. Nope, we get just the same as we always did, just have to ration it out farthure now too.
My grandpa told me that as long as I'm recieving ssi I'm safe no matter what because my income comes from the government. But, I'm not so sure that's how if works! And, I'm just afraid that things will get so bad that I won't be able to get ssi... there will be no jobs left at all! And then the pad rent for my mobile home with skyrocket so high, that even if I was still getting ssi I wouldn't be able to pay for it. Then what is going to happen? Does anyone forsee that it could happen. Because I just don't get why prices and pay aren't a little more balenced and it seems if they just balenced these 2 things we would all be better. I really do wish to understand this a little better though.
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6 responses
@lampar (7584)
• United States
14 Mar 09
That is free market forces at work. But if the big corporations control major and majority of the economy, then all things will turn hellish when bubble burst. The past several years, all these super low interest rates created a fault sense of prosperity in the wall street and main street. Easy credit for everyone even those with bad credit history are able to obtain sub prime loan (very high interest rate)to buy out of reach house,several credit cards with extended line of credit; in return banks rake in high sale revenue and CEO pocket big bonuses; everything in wall street look rosy and speculator reap big profit overnight. Then come economy contraction, the bubble started to burst, reality set in, company started to lay -off employees, workers cannot afford to pay off their mortgages and high credit card debt, interest rate started to rise to fend off inflation, mortgage payment become expensive for those with fix income. Market exuberance came to abrupt stop, public euphoria collapse, double whammy from over flooded housing and financial market fraud, the economy has to bear all these at the same time to deepen into depression.
@lampar (7584)
• United States
15 Mar 09
Which item you are talking about? I see gasoline price going down, breakfast cereal, milk, home prices, and several essential items are selling at lower prices. Sales tax in my area is going up and an oz of gold is costing more too. Overall, prices are adjusting to reflect market condition which are way high before the recession set in. Corporations are still making profit but at a much reasonable margin instead of super high profit.
@dismalgrin (2604)
• United States
15 Mar 09
Gas is on the rise again where I live. Milk, bleach, T.P., these things are all going up. My pad rent just went up too! I'm just scraping pennies to get by... and most people I know are too.
@dismalgrin (2604)
• United States
14 Mar 09
Thank you for your response! I'm still a little confused as to why prices keep going up and up and up. It makes no sense to me. Are the big wigs trying to get every little drop on money they can from the working man before things go completely bottoms up?
@rosdimy (3926)
• Malaysia
14 Mar 09
As I see it it has a lot to do with greed, and there are also other factors which have some influence on prices normally go up. It happens in many parts of the world.
When workers get a raise, many retailers increase the prices of goods because they said, and I heard it myself, the buyers can afford to pay the new prices. When the consumers confront them the most common excuse I have heard is that the retailers have to increase their prices because the prices of other goods have increased.
In my country the government tries to control prices spiralling by keeping a cap on certain essential items like sugar, rice, flour, chicken, cooking oil, and condensed milk.
When it comes to price control the government, Federal or local, needs to take proactive actions. Words or political speeches alone would not suffice. As you have observed any salary increase results in an increase in prices of goods. The domino effect can be devastating to some people.
all the best in your life,
rosdimy
@dismalgrin (2604)
• United States
14 Mar 09
Thank you for your response. Do price caps seem to be working in your country? Do the store owners and such get angree that they can't make more money? Or does everyone seem to accept things as the way they are. I think that if the US decided to do price caps they would be rather 'tender footed' about it if you know what I mean. They would put a cap on but it would be so high that it wouldn't really affect the way things are that much anyhow. Like, okay, so there is a 50 dollar price cap on cearel... but no store is actually considering selling it at that high anyhow. And even 10 dollars would wipe us out on our cereal. I mean, I've had to pay close to 5 dollars for a box of cearal and I think they should say it can't go over a dollar because that sounds more reasonable to me!
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@rosdimy (3926)
• Malaysia
14 Mar 09
It works most of the time. There were times when certain retailers hid essential items to force prices up. There were dealt with by the appropriate authorities.
Examples of the controlled items prices:
Flour: MYR 1.35 per kg or approximately USD 0.36 per 660 ounces
There is no limit on enhanced flour.
Chicken: MYR 6.00/kg or USD 1.62/kg
Sugar : MYR 1.45/USD 0.39 per kg
Petrol (gas) MYR 1.80/ USD 0.49 per litre.
There have been unscrupulous people smuggling subsidised sugar, cooking oil, and diesel to a neighbouring country. Motorists from neighbouring countries have been entering the country with half tanks (a ruling imposed because they used to enter with nearly empty tanks)and return home with full tanks.
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@dismalgrin (2604)
• United States
14 Mar 09
LOL, can't really blame other's for trying to cash in on a good deal, right? But, I do see what you are getting at. There is such a thing as 'the black market' out there and some people will do anything to make more money than others. If they just needed money to feed their families I could understand. But, some of these people just want to make more money than everybody else. And, that's just not right!
@SusanShayAvon (1003)
• United States
15 Mar 09
If you will notice the price of everything went up big time when the gas was $4.00 a gallon. The companies that ordered stuff from places had to start paying three times as much for the fuel surcharge to have it delivered and so the companies had to make up for it in someway. That is part of why everything went up so high. Plus the fact that with everything so high it costs more to make stuff so we have to pay more.
I am not sure how old you are but I think that maybe when we were growing up there was not near as much as credit cards and credit cards debts as there are now.
If the price of pay keeps going up the job lose situation will just get worse. People that are use to paying their employers say $7 an hour will have to cut back if it is raised to say $10 an hour. Even if it is only an extra dollar an hour they may have to cut back.. Because to the employees it may only be an extra dollar per hour but to the employer it is an extra dollar per hour times how many employees plus how many hours per week they work. So they will have to cut back. This is what I mean. Say you have 50 employees and they all work 40 hours a week. And they make $7 per hour and it gets raised to $8 an hour. That is an extra $2,000 per week. So if you cut out people then you only have to pay them. If you cut out 10 people that is $3,200 a week that you can save and make up for that extra dollar per hour.
I was told that by the time I am old enough to receive SSI(I am 25) that there would not be anything for me to draw. Really cause I still have to pay it in. My Mom also draws an SSI check and I told her that I did not think that it was right for me to have to pay in when I will never get a penny of it. And she said that somebody had to pay for her check!!! So all the money that people are paying in for their social security is where your money comes from.
Not many people now how to live frugally and have to pay for stuff. For instance milk is $5 a gallon. And butter is about $3 a tub. If you buy a cow, you can have usually 2 gallons of milk a day. Take the cream off and make your own butter. What is left is buttermilk for biscuits. That is about $70 worth of milk a week $3 worth of butter a week. And $3 worth of buttermilk a week. If you buy all three of these in a week that is $76 a week which totals up to $3,952 a year worth of stuff. You could do this for a few years and then eat the cow. That is 14 gallons of milk in a week though. I do not know anyone that drinks that much milk. But do you know anybody that would pay $2-$3 a gallon for milk.
Anyways this is just some thoughts here. Not sure if it will help.
@dismalgrin (2604)
• United States
15 Mar 09
Haha, I totally agree with you about the not being fair that we have to pay into SSI when we aren't going to get any of it. I'm actually getting it now... but I won't be on it forever and I will be returning to the workforce after my depression get's under control. My sister and I were driving by the mall the other day and a little old lady crossed in front of us and I joked to my sister "how many points is it worth to run her over?" my sister quipped "Priceless, then we don't have to pay for her retirement!" Okay, it's really sad that this kind of humor is in anyway shape of form funny! I was talking to my grandpa about how someone got onto my case on another forum about how part of the reason the economy is so bad is that we don't value family anymore. I truly do believe this. It's rediculious but people will actually treat pregnant women these days like they are discusting creatures. Like they carry some kind of plauge. My best friend got pushed down when she was last pregnant because someone wanted to get ahead of her in line and just pushed her down so she could get past her. This person in this other forum said that we have too many children in our country and that we need some sort of forced abortion plan set into place to keep people from over populating! My grandpa laughed when I told him about this and asked why the heck is the US importing Bosians (most of whome can not stand Americans) over to our country if we are hurting from overpopulation so much? They are paying these people gobs of money to come over here and work! Why? Because we have to have someone paying into the SS system and since the American people think that having babies is so discusting, they got to get someone in to pay into our system! That is just so wrong! America is the Melting pot and I welcome people from the world over because I can recognize that non of us would really be hear if it wasn't for that (well I would because I'm native american! Haha). But, why has family been viewed as the reason we are having economic troubles these days? I don't get that either!
@Ima_C_Suvaya (431)
• United States
15 Mar 09
The economy is OK. 0bama just said it isn't all that bad. As far as the prices of stuff... If I'm a baker and I charge $10 for a loaf of bread, that is my prerogative. You or anybody else don't have to buy it. If that trend continues, then I will no longer be a baker. So, first I figure out how much it costs me to make a loaf of bread, then I look around and see what all the other bakers are charging for their loafs. Then I have to decide whether to make mine a little cheaper and earn my money buy selling quantity, or I sell mine a little more expensive and use premium ingredients. I have to follow the market. The more intriguing questions deal with the finicky consumers. Things like, why won't they buy my tasty but affordable bread?
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@dismalgrin (2604)
• United States
15 Mar 09
LoL! When did Obama say the economy wasn't all that bad? Because about a week ago I heard him say that it was VERY bad, and would probably get worse before it go better! Haha. Anyhow. I think that the books and the paperwork that our country goes by produces a very different picture of what is going on besides what goes on in real life. Thanks for your response!
@onedaysoon (651)
• United States
15 Mar 09
I can't really help you, cause it is confusing.
All it takes is for one person to raise their price and then it causes the person who buys from that person to raise their price and the person who gets from that person to raise their price, so on and so forth.
I know what you are saying about minimum wage. It was raised here too. It seems like people who are voting for it are not affected by it, anymore than maybe recieving it. It went up to $8 here, from $7. The thing is, that is fine for large companies, but small businesses cannot afford it and the raise causes them to raise prices and or lay people off. A couple people I knew with small businesses had to lay some people off after the raise in minimum wage. They were in a business where they don't control the price of their product so the only thing they could do was lay people off. And, they did not lay these people off to keep their profit, they had to lay them off just to survive. They were not making profit.
I couldn't understand everything going up when no one had money in the first place. Even water, electric bills, etc. were going up as well as necessities. They say they had to do it because everything else went up. But, it is not like everyone got a raise to afford everything going up. Why do they get to charge more to keep their lifestyle when we have to suffer, because we have no one to get more money from.
If you are on SSI I wouldn't worry. You should be pretty safe. It seems like you should have gotten a little raise. Someone I know on Retirment Soc. Sec. got a Cost of Living raise in her check. Not much, but something.
Things have been picking up a tiny bit. There has been more people buying houses and that is a really good sign. It will take time, but it seems like we are slowly making a climb up instead of down.
Sorry, I couldn't help and hopefully I didn't confuse you more .
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@dismalgrin (2604)
• United States
15 Mar 09
Thank you for your response! I do have to worry some even though I am on SSI. They are trying to say that I have to pay off 600 dollars in another state because someone stole my checkbook from me 8 years ago! Haha. So, if I don't pay off the money by April then I don't get a SSI check anymore. Then also, I have to pay a nearby city because I keyed the truck I had bought my ex when I found out he screwed me over. I was so mad! Now, I gotta pay that city about 500 dollars for that! So, I'm kind of stuck here because my pad rent just got raised so I'm needing to pay my pad rent of 327 dollars and my electric is due to be shut off soon because somehow they think I've used 500 dollars in the past 2 months. Haha. Whatever! Anyhow. No one is immune to anything are we now? I wish that some of the big wigs could live a day in my shoes and know what it's like to be me!
@deanna2 (159)
• United States
15 Mar 09
hi well for one thing the goverment is'nt worried about the poor people and what the affects will be on them it's all about the rich as it has always been they only think about bailing out the bank car sales and for what ol yea like i said the rich because what poor person can go to a bank and borrow money or buy a car anyway.any it does'nt help to raise mim wage because they just take it on something else.there is no hope for the poor.
@dismalgrin (2604)
• United States
15 Mar 09
Thank you for your response! I get what you are saying too! It's like the poor people aren't really the ones carrying the economy so the governement says 'who gives a crap about them?' Well, maybe the poor could contribute to carrying the economy if everything wasn't so dang expensive!