Is Self Esteem Linked To Beauty?
By Brian
@wolfie34 (26771)
United Kingdom
March 14, 2009 7:45am CST
I have got my head in books at the moment because one of my issues is having a very low self-esteem, I have no problem with confidence, but the two are not the same are they?
What I want to know is do you think self-esteem is linked solely to beauty? Or everyone recognizes that self-esteem is whether you feel attractive to others or not.
For example can an ugly man have high self esteem and can an attractive man have a low esteem?
Why also that when I get compliments I dismiss them and yet when someone is highly critical about me I cling onto them?
For me self-esteem is solely about my looks. It makes no difference as to my assets, health, whether I have a highly paid job or not, or any other influencing factors to me
SELF ESTEEM = Attractiveness
Do you agree, or what is your take on the subject of self-esteem and do you have an issue with it?
Do you think books can help improve self-esteem and do you have a big issue with self-esteem?
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37 responses
@hiddenwing (3719)
• China
14 Mar 09
It is absolutely wrong! Lots of awful guys just show off shamelessly. It turns out that most narcissists are actually ugly!
But one thing is sure! If you have more confidence than you are supposed to have, people tend to think you are better than you actually are. To be honest, I get sick of these fancydans. They have nothing to be so proud of! How come they be so brazen? haha
Well, in my hometown, we called these people prince disease or princess disease sufferers! I had several friends who were so overconfident! They were so disgusting that I have already ignored them now! Anyway, I hope that you just have more faith in yourself! I have told a thousand times that you really look good!
@hiddenwing (3719)
• China
14 Mar 09
Beauty is in the eyes's of the beholder! I will tell you something!
If you get sick of somebody, you just imagine that you are standing opposite that guy. Now I am helping you to snap at him or her.
Listen
"He or she deserves a good cursing! she is a poorly evolved organism. He is an alien with stunted DNA, the thing that is blocking your septic tank, a premenstural chimpanzee, the superorganism of an empire of cockroaches. she is a pustulant vegetable, a retarded fossil, the black hole into which the universe continually implodes. Not even amoeba can survive on a keyboard he or she has touched. His or her saliva is 100 times more deadly than SARS. If he or she looks up it opens a hole in the ozone layer. she or he is polluting the entire solar system. So imagine the furthest palce he or can and piss off! " So, do you feel better now?
I gotta go now! Take care
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@LYRANE (4)
• Argentina
14 Mar 09
dear wolfie34
i think that self-esteem is very linked to beauty because our society puts beauty in a high position, it considers beauty as a very important value, and the consequence of it is that those who doesn't feel attractive or not attractive as they would like to be feel to be dispised in thiat scheme of values. if the society consider wisdom or goodness as the highest value , people would not be very interested in being beautiful. i have an issue with self esteem and is concerned with beauty, i allways have been appreciated for my cleverness and other values but not for being beautiful, and recently i felt in love with a man who rejected me for not being beautiful, not only in my physical form but in psychical form too, and as he considers himself both beautiful and charming and besides he is intellectually brilliant too, i felt that, not only i lacked external beauty but internal beauty as well, which had allways been the main support of my self esteem : the result is not only a terrible depression which i carry since i was despised by that man , but a total confussion of what i really am , because all what i believed to be and comforted me about my lacking of external beauty has been denied by someone who is admired and loved by almost any woman who knows him...
i feel so bad, so bad and think that it's so unfair this stuff of beauty , that sometimes i think it's no worth to live in a world which can be so cruel...
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@weemam (13372)
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15 Mar 09
Nice to meet you LYRANE ,
Can I say to both of you that I am a great believer that their is someone out there for everyone and you just haven't met them yet , when you do you will know and you will love and be loved back 100% , I was lucky and found my soul mate when I was 16 but some take a lot longer to find theirs , BUT YOU WILL :)
Wee xx
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
15 Mar 09
Firstly, a very warm welcome to you to Mylot and thank you for your thoughtful response. This world is indeed very cruel and people can be so evil at times, the media is always promoting thin is in and being attractive gets you everything you want! If you are not rich too you can't get on in this world. If you are not good looking then you become a second class citizen and looked down on. People are so quick to judge you by the way you look rather than what's inside, which is really shallowness in the first degree, and in all honesty do you want to be with someone who is only with you because of your looks, and once your looks go, and they will they will find another model!
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@weemam (13372)
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14 Mar 09
I really don't know if the answer I am giving is right or not pal,
first of all sweetheart I think you know I HATE lies and never tell them soo first can I say I think you are a really nice looking guy, second can I say that when I meet someone it is what is in their heart that I assess, not what they look like, I know gorgeous looking people that are so shallow and so full of themselves, I think you look nice AND you have a gorgeous heart, I know a lot more people who will say the same of you xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Wee xx
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
15 Mar 09
Thank you nan, you always know how to make me smile and feel good and for that alone I am truly grateful, sending you a big hug and congrats again on the weight, I am pleased for you, keep blowing that trumpet and I'll do the same xxxx
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@mssnow (9484)
• United States
14 Mar 09
Hello my dear Wolfie!!!I have missed you.
I think self esteem does have some thing to do with the way you see your self on the outside. I know in my twenties i saw myself as pretty, but I would always date men who I thought were less attractive than me because i knew they would treat me better than a man who was full of him self.As I got older I saw my beauty fade and now i just see my outside as old and wrinkly. But, on the inside I am the beautiful and when I am online that part of me shines trough, so i don't need to have beauty on the outside. So I guess online
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
15 Mar 09
Thank you Princess, I am still around, it's just I am working on stuff, mainly getting back to work and trying to work on myself too, with this self-esteem business, I also believe deep down that once I get back to work and get a wage then my self esteem will start to rise, jobs do give people self-esteem don't they. Sending you hugs xxx
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
14 Mar 09
Hi wolfie!
I have not read any books on this matter but from personal experience I say it is looks that are dependent on self esteem. If you feel good it shows on your face not the other way round surely? If things are going good and I'm happy about what life is giving me then I bear a smile and a smile makes me look good (well better anyway). If I look good but am not proud of myself and what I'm doing then that will show through and make me look sad and depressed.
Remember too that you might look good to one person but not to another so as long as you feel good with yourself, that is what matters.
Take care friend! Hugzzz! xxx
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
14 Mar 09
Yes I have thought along those lines, for example if I changed myself I may appeal to a certain number, if I stayed the same the status quo would stay the same. There will always be people who don't like the way I look and always people who do. If I got plastic surgery for example, it won't make everyone like the way I look, the difference would still be the same as I am now, does that make sense my friend? Always good to hear from you, hugs xxxx
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
14 Mar 09
You ALWAYS make sense!
If you have plastic surgery you only change the outside, your appearance but it is what is on the inside that counts. A book and it's cover doesn't bring anything to mind? Sometimes the best books have the most insignificant cover so it is not appearances that count. You are a great soul and it is so sad that others are not aware of it like we, your virtual firends, are here!
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@suzzy3 (8341)
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14 Mar 09
It has got nothing to do with beauty get out of the house more.Try new things.What you have to remember that most people have some sort of problem and you are normal the trick is not to let it worry you.Anything can help with esteem you can read all the books in the world but if you don't get out and mix it won't do you anygood,unless you meet another book worm.You have the right to move about without anybody saying anything or hurting you,so use that right,treat yourself to a film.Go out and buy yourself a big mac not that I would recommend junk food on a regular basis but I think you need to treat yourself you are a nice person so get out there make it someone elses problem not yours.If you get compliment be pleased and say thankyou only listen to the nice bits of life and ignore the rest.take carexxx.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
15 Mar 09
I think you hit the nail on the head there my friend, I do indeed need to get out more, I also think that going back to work will help a great deal, giving me a purpose in life and better still in helping others I get a sense of achievement which will see my self-esteem growing. Thank you for your wise words.
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@balasri (26537)
• India
15 Mar 09
Though attractiveness is a factor in boosting the self esteem it is not the only thing that bolsters self esteem.Self esteem is the result of a person's confidence level in his capabilities and skills.I have come across many attractive(!) people who are so lively intelligent and interesting to spend time with the thought of their physical attractiveness never crossed my mind.
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@nannacroc (4049)
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14 Mar 09
I used to have a real issue with low self esteem. At the time I thought I was ugly and no-one would ever love me. Even when we were first married I couldn't believe Mr Croc really wanted me for who I was. Luckily Mr Croc convinced me that nothing was all about looks, he thought I was lovely inside and out, so he told me and it helped to boost my self esteem. I still cringe at photos and hate having them taken but now know that I am who I am and those that don't like me can go away. It took a long time to get to this stage but with loving help in can happen.
I still dismiss compliments and sometimes take criticism to heart but I think that's part of being English and nothing to do with self esteem.
You come across as a very caring person and that will show through to people who meet you.
Take care and think positive.
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@nannacroc (4049)
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15 Mar 09
I'm glad you're not angry at your ex now. You have to start to respect and like yourself and maybe the right person will be there when you are ready.
Try finding one thing you like about yourself every day, that's your task for this month, best of luck. I know I'd be stuck fairly quickly looking for things I like about me.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
15 Mar 09
Mr Croc is a lovely man! Maybe one day I'll find a Mr Croc myself, not that I am currently looking, I need to do some work on myself first before I can give 100% to someone, it's taken a long while to accept what happened in my past two relationships, at least I don't hate them and the anger has gone now, so I have moved on even if my ex hasn't but that's his lookout. I can't blame my ex for how I feel because in a way I gave him my strings to pull, if I had been strong enough I wouldn't have given them so much power to control me, I know that now, knowledge comes with time, least next time I won't be so keen to tread down that path again.
@polachicago (18716)
• United States
15 Mar 09
For me it is more in personality than look. I know many gorgeous people and many with an average look. It is in personality to have low self esteem. Attractiveness is in the whole package, so is self esteem.
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
16 Mar 09
Believe in yourself. Self esteem is all about inner beauty....
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
15 Mar 09
While self esteem is not the same as confidence...
You need to have confidence in yourself to have self esteem.
Beauty only helps boosting that self esteem.
And when you have too much self esteem... they call you "arrogant". lol
Plenty of beautiful women have no self esteem and no confidence.
Marilyn Monroe was one of them.
It is a pretty common problem in show business.
Their looks make them famous.
But the confidence they show on screen is just an act.
A great number of actors and music artists are actually very shy.
While beauty gives you a boost while you are young... there is a price to pay as you get older. By nature... we do not like losing what we have. And watching our beauty disappear as we get older is something hard to cope with.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
15 Mar 09
What has someone got when they lose their beauty, if beauty is the only thing they rely on? They are left empty, totally. Yet someone who has a loving personality, warm, kind hearted that will never go, so many people look at the outside and fail to look any further, to me that could be construed as shallowness. Because if you go with someone for their looks and their looks go, what do you have? An empty shell.
@Aussies2007 (5336)
• Australia
15 Mar 09
I did not say that people relies on their look alone.
I say that people use their good looks as a bonus.
And they would be silly not to.
If you got it... you might as well use it... because in this life... you need to make the most of everything you got.
That said... when a woman is pretty... she usually needs to work twice as hard to prove herself... otherwise people put her in the category of "bimbo".
Normal women hate any good looking woman with a passion and will do anything they can to destroy her. That's call "jealousy".
In any reality TV show... the good looking one is always voted out. Because it is mostly women watching those shows and doing the voting.
Also... when they turn 40... and don't look 20 anymore... they get hammered... like Nicole Kidman is being hammered right now. So much so that she is thinking of retiring.
We live in a very cruel world.
And normal people are just as shallow as good looking ones.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
15 Mar 09
I know people that are extremely attractive but have no self-esteem, they feel they have to look perfect because no one will like them if they aren't.
They are a product of our society.
I agree that my self-esteem would be better if I weighed less and I am working on that, but while no one has ever accused me of being ego-centric they also know that I am smart and if I state some facts that 99% of the time, they are right. I am a compulsive reader and I can't help that I know a lot of crap about a lot of subject. I do not flaunt what i know, but I don't hide it either. My self-esteem is pretty good
I have a job where I do something good but it is not appreciated by society - or I would get paid a living wage
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
15 Mar 09
I think that is half the battle for me, because I am not currently working that is why my self esteem is suffering, if I was going out to work each day or had a job, doesn't matter what it is, then my self esteem should in theory start to rise again. I am happy with my body but it's my face I am not, but if I was to concentrate on my body it's half the battle isn't it. Building your strong points, because none of us is perfect. Even the most attractive person can have severe problems either mentally or physically. Media has to be blamed too, thin is in, and having the looks of Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie etc. But not everyone fanices Brad Pitt and I guess in a way some could even describe him as ugly, maybe? Possibly?
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@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
15 Mar 09
#1 you are a good looking guy, you should not worry about your face...and trust me...time will take care of most people's looks...look at Joan Rivers...that woman is scary!
If you don't have a job ( I don't know your chosen field) then start volunteering -- maybe in a different field, expand your skill set and meet new people (network). They might be able to help you find a job and it will help your self esteem.
I work with developmentally disabled adults...sometimes it is great fun but you get to meet a lot of people and it makes you feel good when you realize that you have reached them. As I tell my husband -- autistic guys love me.
@Debs_place (10520)
• United States
15 Mar 09
BTW One of my guys looks like shrek...and you know what..to me he looks great. His perosnality and charisma over shadow how he looks.
Don't let your perceived short comings hold you back
@mummymo (23706)
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15 Mar 09
my darling little brother I wish I could wave a magic wand and make you realise how wonderful , gorgeous and just downright perfect (well as close as can be) that you really are! I guess that self esteem is affected by different things in all of us. For some people it is the way they look, for others their ability in any given area, education, music, friendships, employment, parenting skills etc and in others it is probably their mental or physical health that brings their self-esteem down. I know that telling you you look fantastic won't make you believe it but I hope that you manage to build up your self esteem and use whatever you need to do that be it books, therapy, writing whatever! Love you xxx
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
16 Mar 09
Hi sis. I have done a lot of work on myself and the confidence is returning in leaps and bounds, so that is not the main issue, I did think that confidence and self-esteem go hand in hand but they don't, they are two different entities entirely, obviously confidence goes a long way. When I look back to when I had the self-esteem it was back in 1998, and I realize that although I cannot blame my ex entirely but it was my ex treating me like a child, being oppressive, controlling and the emotional mental abuse killed my self-esteem, but then I am not a strong character and I willingly gave over my strings, I am stronger for it. I won't be so willing to give anyone my strings to pull next time, I am still trying to untangle the strings again so I can be my own puppet master and control things that I want to control not by others x
@DoriLentrich (1016)
• United States
15 Mar 09
Personally, I think self-esteem and confidence are linked. You can't be confident if you feel you're worthless. However, you can esteem yourself in certain areas of your life and not others. For example, you may be very confident in your career, but feel absolutely despondent about your looks. Do you have low self-esteem? Yes, in regard to your looks, no in regard to your career. When estimating total self-esteem, add up how many attributes you're confident about and how many you're not and then weight them based on which is more important to you.
That said, it would be impossible to say that self-esteem is SOLELY based on looks. You can have a very confident ugly person. And you can have a very insecure attractive person. One of the problems in linking self-esteem to looks is that looks are so subjective. One person's hottie is another person's dog. Look around you, do you agree with all your friends about who they find attractive? There are certain people who seem to be attractive to a majority of us, but trust me, there are people for whom they do nothing. Even Grace Kelly had detractors.
Self-esteem being tied to your looks is a personal decision. It's a choice you make. You choose to look in the mirror and make that the sum total of your worth. It's a dangerous thing to do. Looks are temporary, even by human standards. Nobody looks the same at 15, 25, 35, 45, etc. Looks are judged by the time period in which we live. What was attractive in the 1800s isn't what's in now and what's in now won't be 100 years from now. Looks come and go and like the saying says, are only skin deep.
Does it matter to people what you look like? Oh yeah! Attractive people have easier lives, by far than their less attractive counterparts. Studies have shown over and over that being attractive gets you more perks in life. But again, the question becomes, attractive to whom? Haven't you ever noticed that your opinion of someone's attractiveness changes the more you get to know them? Beautiful people aren't always physically beautiful.
Self-esteem is a ghost, it's an abstract concept that we all feel, but it's hard to pin down. When valuing ourselves, it would probably be better if we used a softer lens rather than a hard one. If you want to improve how you feel about yourself, make the choice. It's not easy, it's not fun, but in the end, the only person you'll have to impress is yourself.
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
16 Mar 09
Another thing is that when people are attractive they attract more condemners mainly because of jealousy! How many stars have been slated mainly because who they are and people think because of their looks they have it all, they attract critics, even the stalkers and people are quick to go on the attack if they don't look their best! I mean having to look your best because your attractive 24/7 in case you get noticed in public for bad press. And yes I agree Brad Pitt for example may be seen by some as ugly, even the most attractive person isn't going to have 100% of the population fancying them or think they are a pin up boy/girl
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@katsalot1 (1618)
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14 Mar 09
I think the only way your attractiveness affects your self-esteem is if you are not happy with your looks. If attractiveness is something that you think is essential in a person, then the chances are that you will not measure up to your ideal- whatever you look like. Do you judge people on their physical looks or as a person? Would you prefer to be with someone who was beautiful and mean, or someone average-looking and with a wonderful personality? I know which I would prefer. I would be horrified if someone was only interested in me because of my looks - I would think they were a very shallow person.
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@lordwarwizard (35747)
• Singapore
14 Mar 09
Do some pretending myself. Pretending you look whoever your idol is.
@mansha (6298)
• India
15 Mar 09
Self esteem and self perception are two difeerent things but yet realted to eacch other somewhat. Its not necessary that if a person is beautiful he will have a jhigh self esteem too. I have a friend who is slim, tall, fair and beautiful but her self esteem is so low that if someone says that her dres is not suiting her she starts crying. Before every social gathering she has to go to the parlour to get her face and hair done I will say she has a very low self esteem.She sees herself through the eyes of others. SO you can not just genralise this thing it depends from person to person. We have a very famous now retired lady cop, Kiran Bedi, she is in no way beautiful as defined by the beauty experts but she has a very high self esteem and she is a source of strength to many women in our country.
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@raydene (9871)
• United States
14 Mar 09
Self Esteem is how one precieved one's self.
Beauty has nothing to do with it..
People that 'like' themself are often seen as beautiful
by those around them.
I have a friend that was badly burned..
looks like a monster to some
but when you look her in the eyes you feel a warmth
that makes her beautiful.
I find that people that stop focusing on themselves..
spend time helping others seem to have better self esteem
It's when you stop thinking and judging yourself..
keep busy..feel good about what you do for others..
that you shine.
Big Hugs Doll
xoxoxoxoxoxo
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
15 Mar 09
Hi ma, I certainly agree about helping the others aspect, and when you see people far less fortunate than yourself it puts things into perspective. Sometimes I chastise myself for feeling sorry for myself, probably guilty for taking so much for granted!
@Crstal0774 (38)
• United States
14 Mar 09
Raydene,
I agree with I think self Esteem has nothing to with being nice looking or ugly.
It's believing that you can accomplish a certain task what ever it might be.
basically believing in your self.
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@ALouie (118)
• United States
15 Mar 09
This is a very good question that I have pondered for years. I noticed that people with self esteem come in all looks, so it's definitely not beauty based. The only common characteristic I have found that all people with high self esteem have is superb health and strength. I have noticed that anyone with high self esteem always seems to be super energetic, strong, and healthy.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
15 Mar 09
Belated welcome to Mylot. Yes I think beauty is an integral part of self esteem but certainly not the only attribute to it. Someone can have beauty but what if they are very unhealthy and weak? You can have a lovely face and an inadequate body. One thing I am very happy with is my body, so I guess I have something to work with.
@iamsolucky (1241)
• Philippines
15 Mar 09
its about being happy to yourself. Think that you are unique, you are special and you are beautiful. I had a problem with that too but i really have good improvemennts now. i feel proud of how i look , even of my imperfections too.
A lot of women have a problem with this, especially when no one around them remind how beautiful and nice they are. Maybe we can find support with our close friends, family of course, relatives and reading self help books about self esteem can help.
happy mylotting!
@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
15 Mar 09
Sometimes I see someone and want to remark on how nice they look but I don't for fear that they think I am trying to chat them up or 'unnerve' them you do have to be so careful don't you. But for me I have had compliments and I dismiss them, yet when I hear criticism I cling onto it, I need to change it but it will take work and practice to achieve this.
@kprofgames (3091)
• United States
14 Mar 09
I do think that self esteem and attractiveness are link Wolfie, but not one is not totally the other. Self esteem to me is measuring self worth. Kind of like you feel you have nothing to offer. This might be because of apperance or it could be because of personality, feeling unloved and unable to love. I think self esteem is more of a total package of issues to work on.
The example you give about the ugly and attractive guys. What makes one over the other? I think that beauty is really in the eye of the beholder. Yes there are attractive people out there, but they are empty or very ugly on the inside. I would think any relationship with a person like that would be difficult if not one sided. As for the "ugly" guy having high self esteem, well, then I would think that he has a realization of himself both in his good and bad habits. You know it's a person saying this is me, like it or not. Those kinds of people do have more confidence because they're not trying to be something they're not. They are just themselves.
I do think that our self esteem does take a beating now and then. Either through what society deams as "beauty" or because we find more fault in ourselves than there is really there to worry about.
Can books help? I think so, but what I really think helps people the most is finding their own self worth. Books will help you, but knowing what you're looking for and striving to get it will lead you down that path more than a series of self help books on general topics.
Wolfie, don't let the past relationships you've had determine who you are today. Heal, get to know yourself again. Once you like who you are, others will too.
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
15 Mar 09
The trouble with my past relationships is that I gave them my strings to pull, I gave them my power, where I should I kept the power myself, I rule me, no one else, and when you give power to someone else to control you, your self esteem and confidence get swallowed up, I know that now. I was sending out signals that I was downtrodden, needed to be controlled, looked after, I wasn't strong enough, weak willed. I need to take back the strings and control my own life, destiny and be my own best friend instead of my own worst enemy. It will take time but I am working on it, I have the confidence at least, so that can be guiding light to getting my self esteem lifted and buoyant.
@benny128 (3615)
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15 Mar 09
personally I aint an oil painting lol, but I am me and if people dont like it thats their problems.
So no self esteem is nothing to do with looks its to do with what you feel inside that counts.
If you are happy and positive then I think confidence and self esteem flow from being happy and being positive.
And nah dont think books help, as if you aint confident etc than look inside yourself only you can make the change as its burning inside you.
sorry for the long winded speech lol,
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@wolfie34 (26771)
• United Kingdom
16 Mar 09
If I may be as bold to say that as a great example of my response, you sad you ain't an oil painting yet I see you as attractive, so thank you! And no it wasn't a long winded speech, I always appreciate responses from the heart and it's not always possible sadly to respond to each and every response, but I do endeavour too because I know people have taken the time out to think about my discussion. I used to think that confidence and self-esteem went hand in hand, but they don't. I have the confidence but not the self esteem, it's distinguishing between the two. Even the most beautiful of people will have others saying no, my cup of tea, doesn't appeal to me etc... A beautiful person cannot attract 100% like an unattractive person cannot repel 100%