A common link between Christians and Humanists...
@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
United States
March 15, 2009 4:17am CST
In the Christian community the flawed belief begins with the core teachings of forgive and forget, anyone attending a religious organization that has at is base this foundation is flawed because people will use this as leverage to get one over on others.
It is disgusting to be the victim of a bully who is always forgiven and forgotten by others but the bully always remembers the victim and continues to inflict pain or abuse upon one either physically or mentally.
The Humanistic point of view is just as dangerous where they believe that at our core all humans are basically good. There are two groups of humans and many of us are not good. There are so many people that are taking advantage of others that if we are to judge all people as basically good we would miss the obvious truth that some people are not good and are only trying to take advantage of others.
I have a situation where I know of the evils that are present and I'm not able to find access to the protections in order to reveal the information that I am given. My trauma is knowing and needing protection from the abuse that is and has been the result of abuse and I can not stop the abuse of another even though I know how much pain they will suffer as the bully gets away.
What a sick world created.
The cure is providing protection for the victims and exposing the abuses.
In our society there is no crime if the crime can not be properly reported.
Do the Christians and the Humanists yet understand that they stand in the way to the day that could come a new day of peace for everyone?
What is wrong with complete accountability?
What is wrong with providing access to love?
But love is blocked because people want to believe in false premises until those realities are proven as fact after the damage is already done, and an ounce of prevention is always cheaper than a pound of cure. When the cure and the prevention come from the same source. Written or Chemical it doesn't matter, when the bully is the catalyst to set the disease in motion.
Most people when the realize that they have become the victims of a lie, they learn to run from the liars yet some bullies don't understand why people run the tall tales that lead to rejection and eviction. More damaging is being rejected for telling the truth.
Those in the seat of power need to learn to set aside the idea that most people are at their core good or in need of being forgiven and forgotten. We need to focus our thoughts on bringing about repentance and leading people to the truth.
I love my honest friends,
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8 responses
@faith210 (11224)
• Philippines
15 Mar 09
Hi Gary! I am a Christian, a Catholic to be exact. I have been taught to forgive and always look for the good inside each person. I have been hurt many times, actually over and over again. However, I learn to really forgive in my heart but I do not allow myself to forget. Why? Because in not forgetting I wouldn't be falling again on the same traps of deceitful people. I will forgive that person but will not forget the ways I have been deceived nor the person who hurt and deceived me. I will be cautious in my dealings with that person. I would not however close my heart to that person, i will be hoping that he will change but also I will be hoping that I did learn my lesson well and became a little wiser. Just my thoughts.
Take care and blessings to you!
lovelots..faith
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
15 Mar 09
Faith I love your candid response and the way you worded that, it is so true that the same people will take advantage of us over and over again. At some point we have to look back at history and say that you know this doesn't work this way and we need to look for a better way of dealing with these problems.
I so agree with you that forgiving is done and in the heart people will get forgiven and how much more so when they actually ask to be forgiven. Do we have to be victims of future abuse, certainly not... We don't have to forget and if we work on our memory skills will that also strengthen our minds as we get older will we be less susceptible to dreaded memory diseases?
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lovelots..faith
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
15 Mar 09
THere is alot in what you say.
and I just cant beleive that someone that is evil can stay in power.
THere also is a saying there is a little good in every one .
I dont beleive it if some one is pure evil!
Some how they need to get knocked off that throne!
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
15 Mar 09
I look at it this way, if she had done this in a good way she would not have needed to exercise a legal action, she already had what she wanted and that was when she was caring for the needs of my Grandmother and living in my Grandmothers house, then she decided that she wanted everything and no responsibilities of caring for my Grandmother.
So that is when she put my Grandmother in a nursing home, the thing is that she told one lie after another and then someone else got involved in order to get my Grandmother out of the nursing home and back in her home where as they testified my Grandmother is so much happier now being at home.
That leads us to another problem...
Was there more lying in court? And the answer is yes... I have more to write.
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@ladyluna (7004)
• United States
15 Mar 09
Hello GWB,
My husband and I were just discussing a facet of this discussion the other night. My take on it is that he and I believe that like so many other Judeo-Christian tenets, this concept of forgiveness has been skewed beyond recognition.
I believe that the heart of the misconception is the vast difference between forgiveness and absolution. We, as Human Beings, are capable of deciding to stop harboring resentment against one who has violated our sense of being, which is forgiveness. We are, however, NOT capable of offering absolution, which is to free one from the consequences or penalties of their conduct. Absolution is between a man and his Maker.
I believe that Christ, in his infinite wisdom, recognized that the one who harbors the resentment actually suffers the greater punishment. As such, I believe that Christ taught with the intention to ease that burden. Not with the intention of suggesting that mankind surrender one of our most potent tools for survival -- our sense of judgement.
Therefore, I believe: It is not 'Christian' to give 'evil' a pass. Rather, it is 'Christian' to recognize evil, to act in such a way as to deny 'evil' the opportunity to infect our sense of being, and IF infected, to clear the greater traces of the residue out of our lives by ceasing to continue to harbor resentments. As such, I believe it is distinctly 'unChristian' allow 'evil' any victory in our personal lives, or to 'make nice' with those who have proven themselves to be co-conspirators of 'evil'.
Make sense?
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
15 Mar 09
That makes a lot of sense to me,
I suspect that our troll might try my identity next...
We will have nip that one in the bud... (insert glutinous maxi mus (sp?) here)
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@urbandekay (18278)
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15 Mar 09
You misrepresent the Christian belief
all the best urban
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
15 Mar 09
No this is not a misrepresentation...
Many organized religions are built upon this false foundation of forgive and forget and it does allow people the freedom to continue in bad behaviors. I've witnessed what this has done to others and me.
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@sparkofinsanity (20471)
• Regina, Saskatchewan
20 Mar 09
I believe in the forgiveness, but the 'forgetting' is a crock of sh*t. People NEVER forget the ill done to them. It's what twists their psyche's if they are not able to forgive. And then there or those to whom forgiveness just doesn't seem justified.
Those I leave up to God......
The most basic Christian ethic is to 'love your neighbour as yourself'. That doesn't mean constantly turning the other cheek though. There comes a time with some people however, when we just have to step back, and remove ourselves from the belief in their inherent evil or we would live in fear and frustration all the days of our lives. And there are cases like yours George, where that is not possible as long as your grandmother is alive. I do so feel for you, and I pray that the time will come when you can let go of your inability to forget and just forgive.........the situation if not the person.
Bright Blessings my friend.
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
21 Mar 09
Thanks Sparks,
I have some good news, and it has nothing to do with forgetting or forgiving. I'll share a little later.
@tamarafireheart (15384)
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15 Mar 09
Hi Gary,
Those so called religious people who have problems with the truth let them be but be positive about yourself and you will wim through in the end.
Tamara
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
16 Mar 09
Thanks Tamara,
I see a higher power at work all the time...
I hope that the higher powers are working on those higher powers that are allowing violators to run rampant.
What more proof do they need?
I know how to acquire the much needed peace through blessings and it is about time that things start working the right way...
I wish you love and happiness,
Sincerely,
Gary
@the_vicar (1477)
• United States
16 Mar 09
You are right...there has to be repentance. Without some measure of owning up and taking responsibility, the deed that was done has no consequences. I have seen people who are very forgiving, just run through the mill because their child or even a friend who hasn't learned how to treat other, keeps on bullying them. They keep taking it because they perceive that forgiveness is high minded. Unfortunately, forgiveness without accountability, doesn't really accomplish anything.
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
16 Mar 09
Yep, the victims of abuse continue to get abused because people in positions of authority are so set in their beliefs they refuse to see the truth. Bullies that appear to have the best interest of their captives at heart are not exposed and held accountable because the authorities have this false belief system set in place.
A prime example is given on page #1
I'm the devil or lead astray by the devil because I've been falsely accused of a crime that I didn't commit and I can prove the allegations are false but I'm still the bad guy even though I can prove that I am innocent. Like I don't understand the root cause of a false belief?
Nice to see you Vicar...
Thanks for the response...
I should check in at some other forums and see how all is going I hope well... I miss talking with a few of our mutual friends.
@leenie50 (3992)
• United States
15 Mar 09
Hi Great White,
Your accomplishments in this horrible living nightmare are small but precious. I know they are baby steps and that must be quite frustrating for you, but take those baby steps and know that your truth will prevail. You have been through so much and most people at this point might have given up in despair but you haven't. Your Grandmother must also be a very strong woman because I see the strength that you have and we know that women are truly the strongest gender. Physically no, but in every other aspect, yes.
Gary, remember these baby steps are the beginning of your triumph in this ordeal. So be patient my friend, because you will prevail.xoxoxo
leenie
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
16 Mar 09
Thanks Leenie,
I have a feeling you are correct...
I would like to write more...
Eventually I will...
Peace and Blessings,
Sincerely,
Gary
