Old Testament - should we "use it or lose it"?
By speakeasy
@speakeasy (4171)
United States
March 24, 2009 5:50pm CST
A lot of Christians have differences of opinions when it comes to the Old Testament.
Some feel we should follow and believe the entire Bible. The entire Bible is "God's word" and should be followed because of that fact.
Others believe that only the New Testament is needed; because, after Christ's death the only part we need in order to be "saved" is believing in and accepting Christ as your Savior and that comes from the New Testament. You can even purchase just the New Testament.
What do you think? Should we keep the Bible with both testaments? If we do; is the New Testament more important or equally important?
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9 responses
@Starflames (261)
• United States
25 Mar 09
The Old Testament is the New Testament's foundation- or base.
The Old Testament is the only thing Christ ever taught from (Luke 4:16-17) and Is the only thing the Apostles ever taught from too.
Paul (In the NT) called the Old Testament- "The Holy Scriptures" (Romans 1:2). And he further says of the Old Testament- or Holy Scriptures, that they can make you wise unto salvation through faith which is in Jesus and that it is given from inspiration from God! It further says that it is profitable for doctrine, reproof, for correction and instruction in righteousness that the man of God may be made perfect! (2 Timothy 3:15-17).
It was inspired by God! Therefore, it is valid. Unless God's inspiration has become invalid and outdated in this present day and age?
The Old Testament was Good enough for Christ and the Apostles in the New Testament, then it should also be good enough for us today.
Remember, what we know of as the NT today- wasn't even canonized in the Apostolic age- it didn't even exist! It was just a series of letters (based on OT teachings!)that were being circulated amongst the churches of that day. So all they had was THE HOLY SCRIPTURES- The Old Testament!
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
25 Mar 09
So, in that case we do not NEED the New Testament since it is just a series of letters based on Old Testament teachings and not the "word of God"? The Old Testament is all we need to "save us"?
@Starflames (261)
• United States
25 Mar 09
Oh, absolutely not! The New Testament is just as inspired as is the Old. The Old Testament is the New Testament's foundation. BOTH are valid. BOTH are the inspired word of God!
But the fact still remains, that all of the holy men of God in the New Testament, including Christ, taught from the Old Testament- The Holy Scriptures. And the Apostles such as Paul, taught from it as well and interpreted it to New Gentile converts as best as they could with Christ being the focal point. These teachings from the Apostles- that were based on the OT- or The Holy Scriptures, is what now has become the NT as we know it today.
Time and time again, the Apostles referred to the OT, just as Paul does in 2 Timothy 3:15-17. Not once did one of them ever teach that the OT was no longer relevant- so neither should we; On the contrary, they taught that a man could be saved with it through faith in Jesus, just as is the case with the NT.
These two testaments go hand-in-hand and are inseparable.
If any man believes the OT is no longer valid- let him show the scriptural proof from the NT.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
30 Mar 09
As I mentioned in another reply; some churches are now handing out New Testaments - NOT complete Bibles to people in their church; and, New Testaments can be purchased separate but I have not seen any Old Testaments for sale separately - the only way you can get the Old Testament is to purchase an entire Bible.
THAT is what prompted me to start this discussion. It appears as though some Christian churches are trying to do away with the Old Testament.
@positiveminded1977 (7072)
• India
3 Apr 09
I would chuck them both, and I have already done it! But that's me! Now, if people see great spiritual truths in these books, they are, of course, free to keep them. :)
Cheers and happy Mylotting
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
3 Apr 09
Personally, I do not believe either "testament" is completely accurate - they have been "translated" and interpreted too many times; and, sections have been added or left out at the whim of the reigning Christian leaders throughout the ages.
But, since Jews, Christians, and Muslims all believe in the Old Testament and the Christians believe in the New Testament; I do find it useful to know WHAT is in these books. They have played a major part in world history and in the current beliefs of a large portion of the planet's population.
@LittleMel (8742)
• Canada
25 Mar 09
After many years being fanatic I realized that there are good and bad in everyone no matter what religion they have. but then again when it comes to religious books I really don't think it's wise to lose any part of it. I mean they might be confusing, old and new - which one to use, but they are a part of one book. Just like in life we learn from history to create better future, the old part is as important as the new part. It's just a matter of how we perceive it. From what I remember, Jesus is the lamb that is mentioned in the old testament. Maybe in old testament God is more like a war God to some readers and in new testament God becomes more of loving God sacrificing His Son for the world's redemption. But this is the same God, Yahweh. Maybe we should focus on the future, but how do we have a better future without learning from history?
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
25 Mar 09
"when it comes to religious books I really don't think it's wise to lose any part of it" - unfortunately, there is evidence that points to our having already lost parts of the Old and New Testaments. Entire books and several letters were removed from collection we call the Bible at several different points in history when the "Church leaders" decided they were "not in the best interests of the Church".
"Maybe we should focus on the future, but how do we have a better future without learning from history?" Learning from history is vital; but, most Christians do not treat the Bible as a "historical document". The only part of the Bible that is not already "history" is the book of Revelation which is prophecy for the future. Most Christians try to use the Bible as a guide for daily living and that causes problems for everyone; because, there is so much contradictory information to be found in the Bible when using both testaments.
@irafebrie (22)
• Indonesia
25 Mar 09
Well, I think the Old Testament describes God's plan and the New Testament fulfill God's plan. For example, after Adam and Eve fell into sin, God set the plan about salvation and it is fulfilled in the New Testament with the born of Jesus.
The Ten Commandments in the book of Genesis are fulfilled with Jesus's Love Law (Love your God with all your heart etc,Love your neighbor as yourself..etc).
The book of Esther described the relation of Jesus (God's Lamb) and His bride (the church) in Revelation book.
The book of Daniel described what will happen when antichrist arise as in the Revelation book.
The book of Isaiah described the Jesus born and The Passion of Christ.
and many more.
So, I think as Christian, we have to learn about the whole part of the Bible. I'm not a pastor or a priest but I still find out a new thing when I learn the Old Testament over and over again. Sometimes I can understand the New Testament more after I learn the background from Old Testament books.
@randis1 (112)
• United States
25 Mar 09
We need to keep both Testaments. If we are to dispense with one, the other one would not make sense. Scripture (Old and New) make up a meta-narrative. They are stories within a story--It would be like removing the Hobbit from Tolkien's Middle-Earth. You might understand Lord of the Rings, but you won't understand it in it's entirety and purpose. The Old Testament speaks of redemption and restoration just as much as the New Testament does--it's simply that in the New Testament we finally see the action of redemption. But from the very beginning to the very end we see one single story. Take for example, Genesis 1 and John 1. Upon reading John 1 you see the ultimate and deeper portrait Genesis 1 paints. The earth in Genesis 1 represents humanity--we are formless and void, but God fills us and we are called "very good".
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
25 Mar 09
What you say here makes excellent sense; as long as we look at them as a "story".
Trying to actually follow the guidance found in both can be contradictory and confusing. A lot of the things that were taught in the Old Testament are now ignored or "glossed over". I think that may be why some Christians seem to be trying to ignore or "do away with" the Old Testament.
@thina12 (94)
• Philippines
31 Mar 09
It is equally important,because all things happened in old testaments.We cannot live without it.And aside from that,in old testaments there are many amazing stories that we can rely to,there are many good examples there.The life of Job is the best ever,for me.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
31 Mar 09
"We cannot live without it." - Millions of people livet hier entire lives without either Old or New Testaments.
"old testaments there are many amazing stories that we can rely to,there are many good examples there.The life of Job is the best ever,for me." - I am glad you enjoy the story of Job. Personally, I agree that the Old Testament is a good teaching tool and history of those times.
@keep_onwatch (2680)
• India
25 Mar 09
Well, yeah! i think both the old and the new testament are from God and they should be regarded the same. well the most important part here is to focus that in the old testament God was protecting the descending generations, and keeping them as chaste as possible for the birth of Christ. So the rules and regulations were much more strict and in order to prepare the generation, for a noble birth especially for the Israelites. But there is lot to know and learn from that testament too. In the new testament, there is a hope for everyone through Christ. you can see more of God's compassion and mercy.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
25 Mar 09
"keeping them as chaste as possible for the birth of Christ" - I don't think your definition of "chaste" matches my definition of the word. These guys had multiple wives and concubines and if a wife could not give a man a son he was supposed to "lie with her maid servent" to get children!
I do think both testaments have important lessons and guidance though.
@ulalume (713)
• United States
25 Mar 09
I really never understand the purpose of both of the Testaments. As an ex-Christian myself, they are just more fuel for debating. I think the big problem is no one seems to REALLY know where to draw the line in regards to following the Bible/God/Jesus. I mean, you can look into the Old Testament and see that God practically said rape was okay as long as the woman didn't yell, and even if she did she would have to marry her rapist and pay money to her father. I kind of see the teachings of Christianity now a days and the teachings of the Old Testament as hypocritical of each other. Some Christians say "the Old Testament is unimportant now because Jesus came and fulfilled the old law", but that really makes no sense to me simply because "the law" is the moral code of people. He basically came to say that, we should live beyond just our natural human morality. He came and said, "Live for me, live for my Father; and follow us!"
So the reality here (for me) is, I really don't care...mostly because I just see them as stories. But, if someone is going to follow the Bible; they should not just ignore the Old Testament where God was cruel (whether he was justified or not is a debate for some other time). I think that is the biggest problem for many people, seeing God as more than just Mr. Nice Guy.
@smelz23 (190)
• Philippines
25 Mar 09
I think both testaments is needed in able to understand the word GOD. Because we need both testaments to have some references in other testaments. We need to understand the way that Christ the son of GOD live when we was still on earth right. so that we can understand why people have a great faith with GOD.
@speakeasy (4171)
• United States
25 Mar 09
"We need to understand the way that Christ the son of GOD live when we was still on earth right. so that we can understand why people have a great faith with GOD."
Understanding the way Christ lived when he was on earth, has nothing to do with having "faith in God". Most of Christ life is MISSING and not even found in the New Testament. Also, people had faith in God before Christ was born; and, even people from other religions have faith in their version of God(s). Knowing how Christ lived should not affect your faith in God.