Would you edit someone's work without permission?
By elmolovesu
@elmolovesu (814)
Philippines
March 27, 2009 9:54am CST
Hi everyone.
My daughter's classmate asked her to print a research paper they had last Monday night because her classmate's printer was broken. I saw the paper and noticed that it's a 'copy and paste' material, she didn't even bother to rewrite it..not a single word. The footnotes were even there. It was already past midnight when I saw it. I wanted to edit it because I was worried that the teacher would not accept the paper. But I also felt that it would be wrong to do so since she was only asked to print it..she already extended help by doing so. I don't want to cause conflict between the two girls so I just left it at that.
Would you have done the same or would you have taken the liberty to edit it?
Do you think it would be right to inform the classmate that she should not copy and paste articles as she would be guilty of plagiarism? Is there a need to inform the parent? Good intentions can be taken negatively by some people and my worry is that the parent might get offended.
Thank you in advance for expressing your view on this.
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24 responses
@charlesb (17)
• Spain
27 Mar 09
I think the best is not to edit, because it will be a lesson to the kid. She will possibly have a bad grade on the work, and that way she we learn to try harder next time. If you had edited it, she would not learn anything and would get used to get everything offered. Well done!
@elmolovesu (814)
• Philippines
27 Mar 09
Hi charlesb.
I guess she would have to learn the hard way. It's just that being a parent, I can't help but worry about the girl's grade.
Thanks for your response. Have a happy weekend!
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@elmolovesu (814)
• Philippines
30 Mar 09
Hi savypat.
My daughter actually emailed her after I saw the paper but I guess she was already asleep at that time. The girl has been reprimanded by the teacher.
Thanks so much for your response. Have a great day!
@sysdexlicwriter (1619)
• United States
27 Mar 09
I think the teacher should handle this one. If you get involved it will reflect on your daughter. Some lessons are best learned the hard way. If she does not receive credit for this, she will have no alternative but to do it the honest, right way. Whether it is done on purpose or by mistake it will not ruin her life to go through this.
If the subject comes up later and you hear your daughter talking about it, a private talk explaining the reasoning could be helpful to your daughter.
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@elmolovesu (814)
• Philippines
30 Mar 09
Hi sysdexlicwriter.
I asked my daughter about this yesterday and she told me that the teacher set an appointment with her classmate's parents two days after submitting the homework. I feel sorry for her but this action needs to be corrected.
Thanks for sharing your view on this. Have a great day!
@billgatexp (912)
• United States
27 Mar 09
how would i edit someones work, it is called piracy and that is a great gross misconduct and i would be really mad if someone does it to me so why then should i do it?
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@elmolovesu (814)
• Philippines
27 Mar 09
Thank you for your post, billgatexp.
Have a happy weekend!
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@j4ck_86 (102)
• Indonesia
27 Mar 09
Yes, you have done the right thing. You don't have to fix their assignment, let that be their lesson. There are many way to inform them that copying others' work is not right. You may tell them afterwards so that they know and realize their mistake. Probably you may have them promised you not to do it again in the future. Try to give them a picture about the negative side of plagiarism.
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@elmolovesu (814)
• Philippines
27 Mar 09
Hi j4ck.
I hope the girl gets to realize her mistake.
Thanks for sharing your opinion on this. Have a great weekend.
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@geogirl85 (116)
• United States
27 Mar 09
First off, kudos for not editing. If you edit, she is not likely to learn the lesson. Whether or not you should take any further action will depend on age. If she is quite young, then she might not even realize that what she did is wrong. In that case, you could talk to her parents, just make it clear that you are informing them, not accusing.
On the other hand, if she is old enough to know better, just leave it up to the teacher. The cynic in me would wonder whether or not the printer was actually broken, and she wanted someone else to print out the paper because she knew her parents would not approve.
That is not likely to be the case, but if you think it is, I would definitely recommend against talking to the parents. They would probably get defensive, and the girl would feel vindicated in her actions if they start making excuses for her.
Hope that was helpful, and hopefully her actions were just an innocent mistake.
Cheers.
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@elmolovesu (814)
• Philippines
27 Mar 09
Hello geogirl.
You're right, I think I'd just leave it up to the teacher.
I appreciate your response very much. Happy weekend.
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@feathers26 (865)
• Philippines
28 Mar 09
I think we need to ask someone's permission before we
edit their work. You are sometimes we good intentions
when someone take it negatively then it will cause some
conflict.
@thinkingoutloud (6127)
• Canada
27 Mar 09
As an involved parent, I can see why you were tempted to edit the paper. The issue at hand, though, is that it was the classmate's paper and your daughter was only printing it. To have done anything to someone else's work (plagiarism aside) would have been wrong. The best thing you could have done was exactly what you did... nothing. The girl needs to learn (probably by receiving a failing grade or a reprimand from the teacher) that plagiarism is an offense. A lot of the younger students take the internet for granted. Everything is "free." They don't always understand copyrighted material either and that you can't just use someone else's work by virtue of having access to it online. It's sad when kids have to hit the bumps in the road but it's part of education on the whole.
What I would do, though, is use this as an opportunity to show your own daughter what plagiarism really means. I think a lot of the kids are told about it at school but they don't quite grasp what is fair use and what is unacceptable. I also wouldn't inform the other parent. I think that the situation will arise soon enough between the student, the teacher and the parent... and that's probably the correct path for it to take. :)
@elmolovesu (814)
• Philippines
30 Mar 09
Hi thinkingoutloud.
The girl's parents have already been called for a conference. Apparently, this is not the first time she did this. Much as I feel sorry for her, she needs to learn her lesson.
You are so right, a lot of kids are guilty of doing this. Fortunately, my daughter isn't one of them.
Thank you so much for sharing your opinion. Have a great day!
@ritwikbiswas22 (144)
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27 Mar 09
You see,i cant keep doing copy-paste for long enough.One day or the other,he/she will be caught.So the best thing to do is --keep a clean recors.Dont even tink of copying.
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@elmolovesu (814)
• Philippines
27 Mar 09
Hello ritwikbiswas22.
I agree with you...the girl will be caught for this eventually.
Thanks for your post. Have a happy weekend!
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@SpikeTheLobster (6403)
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30 Mar 09
Why would you edit it? Personally, I wouldn't edit it even if she asked me to: the point of homework is to learn, not to have a parent do it. Obviously, if your daughter (for example) were to ask you to read through something and HELP with corrections (i.e. you explain why it's a mistake, not just correct it), that's a different matter.
You did the right thing, absolutely. I've seen loads of kids doing this in our local library: "homework" = find a wiki, print it. When they get crummy grades, they'll learn. They'll whine and complain, but they'll learn!
@sweetseoul (732)
• Philippines
27 Mar 09
you shouldn't edit it...let her learn her lesson...let her experience the consequences of her actions...
if you edit her work, she might be doing it again when she's older...
better also to tell her parents so that she can be guided properly...
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@elmolovesu (814)
• Philippines
27 Mar 09
Hi sweetseoul.
I do feel sorry for the girl as I think she's not getting the proper guidance.
Thanks for sharing your view on this. Happy weekend!
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@myhepeng (18)
• Indonesia
27 Mar 09
it would be better when you let her failed at one work...
because if you edit that paper, it same as you give her a couple of wings for her but you didn't give how to use that wings...
but if you let it wrong, she will be learning and learning...
ofcourse we can't live without tinking...
so if you still adit the paper, just like you stop her to think, and you stop her live..!!!
no learning without fails...
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@gjsmile616 (62)
• China
28 Mar 09
I think must told your daughter with a best method.On the paper will be some wrong on it and should let her know it is a mistake.And help her to do the paper.
My english is not good ,some I have not explain!
Sorry!
@carpetunderlay (3)
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27 Mar 09
hi
Most definately leave the work alone. Call me old fashioned but I dont feel I would be happy if some other parent did likewise for my children. I would certainly appreciate being told of my childs misguided efforts, after all that is what it probably is.
Although it has serious implications as to the childs progress it is still a minor misdemenour and there are a lot more serious things I can think of that the child could have done wrong.
She was probably pushed for time, maybe held up with boyfriend, left it till the last minute etc and wanted to just get something in. Her parents will probably understand after all we have all been there, we were all children at some point and have al made our own little mistakes which we learnt from.
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@GardenGerty (160949)
• United States
28 Mar 09
I might have been tempted, but would not have done it either. I think the teacher will be bright enough to figure out the plagiarism aspect of the project.
@zweeb82 (5653)
• Malaysia
28 Mar 09
I think the best thing to do is to leave it be, just like what you did. If it's something to be corrected in this case, I'm sure the teacher will tell the student. Like you said, if you get involved there will probably be unnecessary conflict with you & the parents so why not let the teacher do it? But you could still use this as a lesson to tell your daughter so that she won't do the same thing her friend just did as in copy+paste?
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
28 Mar 09
i wouldn't have edited it but i think i would have told her about it.
@Yori88 (1465)
• Philippines
28 Mar 09
I think you should have asked your daughter because she is the best person you can talk to to ask explanation. It is never wrong to ask as long as our intentions are good. You are right that good intentions can sometimes be taken negatively by others so just try to pick the right words when asking. For me I only edit things like documents when I see some misspelled words but I do not really care on the content. But if in case I see that it was only copied and pasted then there is really a need to ask questions regarding the material. Since your daughter's classmate is the source, she could just ask her classmate about it. Besides they are classmates so I think that would not sound offensive.
@zzm601 (2)
• China
28 Mar 09
Hi elmolovesu.I think you would refuse to do that,Then you can tell her your real opinion.
@irenebelle (116)
• Philippines
28 Mar 09
Help cant be wrong in many sense. But first of all it is quit good to let the classmate be informed of the paper so that she can know and not be offended but be thankful enough for the suggestion u would like to make. Being openmined in this part is greatly appreciated.