Why are Democrats against those who create jobs?
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
March 27, 2009 4:56pm CST
The party line for Democrats is that they are the party of the workers.. Oh really?
How many of you would love to see Rush Limbaugh or Wal-Mart go away forever? Do you care about the millions of people who would be out of work if you got your wish?
Wal-Mart is the single biggest private employer in the US. If they went away, not only would their millions of workers be unemployed, but all the companies that rely on Wal-Mart to sell their goods would go under also. But that shouldn't matter to you, after all, you're Democrats... and Democrats are the party that looks out for workers.
How many Democrats would love to see Rush Limbaugh in the unemployment lines? Do you realize how many billions of dollars him and the EIB have generated in the last 20 years?
The AM band was on its way out, not just for Talk, but in general until the late 80s. Rush Limbaugh is heard on over 600 stations. The stations pretty much break even or lose money with their local programming. Where they turn a profit is from national syndication. In other words, the national shows you hate are what keep AM radio afloat.
The millions of people who work for AM radio stations owe their paychecks to a handful of national shows. But beyond the people who work for the AM stations, do you realize how many companies went from small, local businesses to national successes simply because they advertized on a national Talk show?
Face it Democrats, if you had your way, unemployement would always be in the double digits.
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7 responses
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
28 Mar 09
I would love to see Wal-Mart go away, but that is because they are the number one killer of small business in the United States. And, small business is the heart of our economy in many areas. As to Rush, I don't agree with anything that he says, but I wouldn't want to see him forced to go away.
Your statement that if Wal-Mart went out of business supplier would go under is incorrect. If they went out of business those suppliers would just sell more to their competition, make more money, and employ more people. If Wal-Mart went out of business you see employment go up dramticly, because small businesses would open back up everywhere and would need more employees due to productivity.
Para, I remember the 90's when unemployment was at record lows, and the economy was setting records every year. So I guess we KNOW what happens when Democrats have their way, and it is very different from what you are saying.
Don't you just hate it when facts get in the way of good propaganda?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
28 Mar 09
Small businesses open and close everyday.. whether there is a Wal-Mart or not.
But the point is, how do you justify saying you're "pro jobs" if you would love to see the massive unemployment increases that would happen if you got your way?
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
28 Mar 09
"Your statement that if Wal-Mart went out of business supplier would go under is incorrect. If they went out of business those suppliers would just sell more to their competition, make more money, and employ more people."
That makes no sense whatsoever. How would they sell more to Walmart's competition? Do you really think that those mom and pop shops are getting their supplies from the same place as Walmart? Of course not. In FACT many small businesses are actually getting their supplies from Sam's Club, OWNED BY WALMART.
http://supermarketnews.com/viewpoints/sams_stands_shadows/
"If Wal-Mart went out of business you see employment go up dramatically, because small businesses would open back up everywhere and would need more employees due to productivity."
That's a load of crap. Do you know how long it takes to start a small business? Are you an entrepreneur? Those small businesses would have to rent space, buy fixtures, stock shelves, hire employees, purchase uniforms, set up contracts with suppliers, get a proper tax ID, get licenses, etc. It's not like the Walmart building crumbles and a thousand small businesses spring up. The communities that depend on Walmart would be decimated while they waited for replacements to arrive. It is far more likely that the Walmart building would be purchased by a Target, Big Lots, etc. and used to replace Walmart since those companies have the capital necessary to do so.
"Para, I remember the 90's when unemployment was at record lows, and the economy was setting records every year."
I'm not going to bother looking up the facts regarding your statement because it doesn't matter. The 90's are when small businesses were closing down. That's when Blockbuster eliminated all the competing video stores where I lived. That's when Walmart and Target opened stores where I lived. That massive drop in unemployment was DIRECTLY related to those stores opening up.
Your own statement completely destroys the argument you've posed. You should have stuck to the Walmart bashing and left Clinton out of it. By the way, who controlled congress for 6 of 8 years in the 90's?
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
28 Mar 09
Most of what the anti-walmart crowd says is simply not true. My daughter works part time and is still eligible to receive insurance, 401k and other benefits. She receives a bonus for working Sundays and has gotten pay raises.
There have also been no businesses that have shut down as a direct result of Walmart. The Lady Bug dress shop continues to sell clothes as it has since before Walmart opened. The Dollar stores are still going strong and have even put up a new building.
I can't say that all the businesses are going strong as there have been ones that have closed, including my favorite Irish pub but that is due to high property tax not Walmart.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
30 Mar 09
Ted, I'd never claim to be able to speak for any other Democrat other than myself, but I wouldn't want to see Wal-Mart go away forever, I'd just like to see them treat their employees better. I also have a problem with the way they come into an area and lower their prices so local family businesses don't have a prayer of competing with them, then after they've driven the competition away they raise them. Granted, they still charge less for many things than anyone else but not that much less that people wouldn't always be so anxious to drive out of their way rather than pay a few cents more from a small store. As for Limbaugh, sure I'd be happy if I never heard or saw him again but I wouldn't want him to be silenced by the government, if that's what you're implying. Actually, the way things are going these days I'd say the more Rush talks the better it is for the Democrats.
Annie
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
31 Mar 09
Yes Annie, but this thread isn't about Wal~Mart, it's about people who say they are pro job, but would love to see millions of people lose theirs.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
30 Mar 09
Taskr, I know they charge lower prices than most of the competition all the time, for most items at least. However, I also know for a fact they do charge extremely low prices when they first come to an area if there's nearby competition they know can't come close to matching them because I've seen it happen in my own area.
As for Limbaugh, what I've seen is that people who knew little about him have seen his rants on TV recently and have come to see what a wingnut he is. If it seems to them that HE represents the conservatives and the Republican party they're not going to want to be associated with them.
Annie
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
30 Mar 09
"I also have a problem with the way they come into an area and lower their prices so local family businesses don't have a prayer of competing with them, then after they've driven the competition away they raise them."
Annie, that's a myth I hear constantly from liberals. Can you provide any proof of it, because frankly, I think it's a lie. Walmart's prices are ALWAYS lower than the competition. Walmarts that have been in town for 10 years still have lower prices than the local grocery stores, electronics stores, etc. I saved over $100.00 buying a TV from a Walmart that had been in town for years instead of Best Buy. The price at the store was the same as the price on their website which is nationwide so it wasn't specific to that location.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
28 Mar 09
Well there are also many jobs that Walmart creates outside of their organization. I am constantly reminding people of Walmart's charitable giving. Walmart pretty much bankrolls Give Kids the World, an organization that grants wishes for terminally ill children. Kill Walmart, and you're killing the dreams of all those children helped by Give Kids.
Of course, liberals don't seem to care too much about those organizations either. That's why they want to raise taxes on charitable giving. Under Obama's plan, Walmart would be penalized for the amount they give to charity. If anyone is stupid enough to think small businesses would pick up the slack in giving to charity, just take a good look at the facts. Give Kids budget is made up primarily of big companies like Walmart, Perkins, Universal Studios, and Disney.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
31 Mar 09
True, but this thread isn't about Wal~Mart, it's about people who say they are pro job, but would love to see millions of people lose theirs.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
31 Mar 09
You made some good points that are on topic though. All those people who work for periferal companies would also lose their jobs... but apparently that's ok.
@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
31 Mar 09
I live in a small village with a Walmart outside of town. I like it that way. It keeps the traffic off the main street. Plus, we have some of the cutest shops.
A Walmart job here is a job to be proud of. They start your pay at $2.00 above min., you get benefits and I think even a discount when you shop there.
I used to think Rush was over the top until 2 years ago when Obama started running. Now I can see the HUGE differences between Democrats and not just Republicans, but, between everyone.
And if Democrats were the party of workers than why are the all for Unions that leave so many insecure about their jobs because the Unions are always fighting to get the employers to wipe their butts?
And why are they for bigger government to take care of our every whim?
Democrats are the party of propaganda...
@dlr297 (5409)
• United States
27 Mar 09
What about all the businesses that wall-mart destroyed, and all the workers that were put out of work because of them....all over this country. It destroyed a lot of the small business. The small business could not compete with them. I for one would like to see the small business back in town, instead of wall mart being one of the only choices..........
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
28 Mar 09
Your question got me to thinking so I went in search of the answer to which small businesses had actually closed directly due to. I came across one site that listed ones they accused Wal Mart of being responsible for. However, one of the businesses listed took issue with the assumption that Walmart had caused them to close and another said they were doing quite well despite Walmart.
Among the list were businesses we have in my area. We also have a Walmart, Kmart and a Target. All of the smaller businesses are still open. New small businesses pop up every day. Not making it in this town has more to do with sky high property tax than it has to do with Walmart.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
28 Mar 09
That's the party line, but over all, Wally World (as well as all the other "box stores" have created far more jobs than they have destroyed.
@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
31 Mar 09
The malls and the people took the small business off the main streets long before Walmart came along.
I like small town America better now. There was never any place to park when all the good shops were crammed in the middle of town. Plus, the traffic flows better. And, if you notice, now the shops in towns are unique boutiques, antique shops and shops with character.
@jjstream (313)
• United States
30 Mar 09
For decades, Democrats have traditionally enjoyed the support of labor unions, and as a result, are suspicious towards the motives of big business. Large employers, and their often rocky relationship with unions, can sometimes cloud the judgment of Democrats, when it comes to the potentially positive economic impact, a big box store could have in a community.
@jjstream (313)
• United States
28 Mar 09
Walmart does have it's detractors out there. In this day and age, when you see a big box store still around, it actually is a good thing. Walmart got a lot of bad press, for not offering supposedly good medical benefits/salaries to their employees, but overall, when a big box store pops up in the neighborhood, it draws other smaller businesses to set up shop nearby. This in return creates more jobs, more spending, more property and sales taxes for the cities and towns in the immediate area. I think the Democrats are more concerned with environmental issues, labor issues, as well as how a big box store would impact a community that's already saturated with them. Big business favors political parties who are in favor of little or no regulation, which is probably one of the reasons, the Democrats oppose them.