Why is it that the letters of your comp. keyboard have such weird arrangement ?
@taki_takaishi (1279)
Philippines
March 30, 2009 2:23am CST
I can't seem to find the reason why the keyboard (computer keyboard) is like this. I mean, I kinda feel comfortable with it but, something is weird... It is not alphabetically arrange. Don't you feel it very strange we type and type but we don't know why the arrangement is like this.
Why is it that the letters on the keyboard aren't arranged in a way that they are alphabetically arranged? Or does anyone have any ideas who made such arrangement?
Or the arrangement really make sense for you?
Share your ideas.
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18 responses
@chucknoitall (98)
• United States
30 Mar 09
This design was by Christopher Sholes, a newspaper editor, who actually created the typewriter design, and worked with Remington to manufacture it in 1874 for the English language. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY) It is possible to get a different keyboard, with another language's more common letter arrangement added using special function keys in the area of the keyboard called the "home keys." This row is the second row above the space bar. Strangely enough, the name for this arrangement is not using the ASDFGH letters, but the QWERTY letters. The main reason for this design was Sholes' realization that the letters most regularly used in the english language did not follow in alphabetic order, so the typing was quite difficult.
There is a different arrangement design by August Dvorak in 1936, who designed his keyboard for efficiency that has a potentially higher speed typing rate than this one, but I have not used one yet.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dvorak_Simplified_Keyboard)
It would be interesting, but for someone who has been using this arrangement for 13 years in professional jobs, it wouldn't be a pleasant experience. There are also keyboards designed for ergonomic function, that have the keys separated into two rows, meeting at a slight angle lower than 45 degrees. I have also not had the opportunity to use one of these. You may also see changes in typing as cellular phones become more heavily used in business.
There is also a new computer that is built into a device the size of a pen, can be stood on a desk surface, and projects a keyboard layout using lasers. The person using the computer puts their fingers in the path of the laser, and moves as usual in typing. This creates the same effect as typing on a physical keyboard. The computer has a projector to show a monitor screen, or can be used with a special visor to allow the user private use of the computer. As you can see, things are changing too fast for some of us to keep up. It will still be interesting, though.
@taki_takaishi (1279)
• Philippines
31 Mar 09
Wow! Very informative man! Thanks for the information!
@chucknoitall (98)
• United States
31 Mar 09
Thanks, Sophie! The only problem, Taki, is that the information came from Wikipedia. The information has to be verified by other sites, not just because it is one site, but because the site has no interest in keeping staff that verify information that is presented. It is the responsibility of visitors to wikipedia.org to present opposing information, and it should be verified by multiple sources to be taken seriously. But, most people who post information on wikipedia.org are not interested in malicious intent to present fraudulent information.
The sharing of knowledge is our greatest endeavor in life, whether we are a teacher, or just among a group of friends talking about some new gadget. We all grow by sharing knowledge among ourselves, giving and taking knowledge, bringing together information that in the whole, is worth more than the sum of the information before compilation. We are synergistic by nature, seeking ways to produce or get more from something than we put into it, and friendships never fail to meet this expectation. I can always count on you, my "peeps," to share encouraging comments and stimulating questions. For some of us, a thoughtful comment or stimulating question is more important than a good night's sleep, but, thankfully, I'm not that bad. (yet.) ;-) C Ya L8r, T8rs!
@Yori88 (1465)
• Philippines
30 Mar 09
My husband told me that there are two arrangements of letters in keyboard, they are QWERTY and DVORAK. Dvorak is a layout invented after QWERTY by Dr. August Dvorak that minimizes finger movement by prioritizing letters that are used more often (like vowels), allowing for greater speed and less chance of carpal tunnel. The Dvorak Keyboard was designed by Drs. August Dvorak and William Dealey in the 1920s and is also called the Simplified Keyboard or American Simplified Keyboard, but is commonly known as the Dvorak keyboard.
Dvorak is an alternative to the Qwerty layout. It's designed to cause as little hassle as possible. The most commonly typed keys are placed under the fingers and then this makes it easier to type common combination of letters and words.
The Qwerty layout was designed because it makes your typing slower. Back in the 1800's when Christopher Sholes created the Qwerty layout, it solved the problem of the the key bars colliding during typing.
If two keys near each other were pressed quickly in succession, the bars they controlled sometimes collided or jammed. So in order to avoid this problem the Qwerty layout was born, in that the most common combination of key presses were harder to type and therefore slower, reducing the chances of the bars colliding or jamming.
Source: http://dvorak.i-rox.com/
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@chucknoitall (98)
• United States
31 Mar 09
That's true, because the old Smith Corona electrics still had not eliminated that problem. When I was in a typing class more than 20 years ago, we had to use Smith Corona electrics, which had the dozens of character bars. At times, it seemed like we were at a noisy piano, as the bars would fly across the platen. Sometimes, we would accidentally hit keys together. This is one of the real reasons these machines were used, not just because they were cheap, but because working around these "flaws" forced the user to improve their typing skills to avoid striking the wrong keys while typing.
I know-it got frustrating being forced to stop, pull the bars back and apart, and go on with the exercise. After a while, it got easier and easier to avoid this problem, because it became unconscious not to strike the wrong keys. I cherish my time on those noisy, heavy, hot, old machines, because that is where some of my best skills were developed. Did anyone else have a chance to work with the old Smith Corona bar typewriters? I even used the IBM Selectrics, but I was always afraid I would send the ball flying off and hit someone. ;-E) Daisy Wheel typewriters are nice, but you have to take the wheel off every time you replace the ink ribbon. Then, you have to re-align the wheel, because misplacement of the wheel on the mechanism would cause you to type an "a," and get some completely different letter. Thank you for the discussion, Taki-this was a wonderful trip down memory lane.
@sophie_dfuss (2365)
• Philippines
30 Mar 09
The qwerty keyboard of computers are designed from the old typewriters. It was designed to be like that so that it will be easier to use for everybody. We used to have the manual typewriter and electric typewriter.
Some computers have strange keyboards if they are from other countries like Europe. It doesn't have qwerty keyboard and at first I find it hard to use.
My laptop is being given to me by my Belgian bf and its quite strange. It took me a while before getting used to it.
@chucknoitall (98)
• United States
31 Mar 09
Hey, Sophie-what is the layout like? There must be a lot of different groups of letters that we don't see in the QWERTY. What are the letter layouts in the rows above the spacebar? I've never had a chance to see, much less use, a different keyboard, so I would like to know what other countries do with the configuration to make it convenient for them. I would hate to see a Russian keyboard, and don't get me started about a Chinese keyboard. I've heard from different sources there could be thousands of characters between all the different Chinese glyphs used in Chinese writing. I realize most would be using Mandarin Chinese, right? I may be wrong. The point is, to see something you haven't seen or used before widens your horizon and your world. Our world is too small for us, until we see things from a different perspective.
@ankitshr (228)
• India
30 Mar 09
Ohhh really really nice question, well as much as i know, it follows the pattern which the person who made typewriter followed, and the weird arrangement, well it has to do something with qwerty, well i'm not able to recall that precisely it was the name of inventor or something like that. Well, but now if i'm given an typwriter where alphabets are arranged according to the alphabetical order, it'll nut me up, cant get used to of a new pattern now
@chucknoitall (98)
• United States
1 Apr 09
You're absolutely right. There may have been other configurations trying to get into production, but this one was more successful. To separate it from the others, they called it QWERTY because of the top row letter keys on the left. The wikipedia article about the Dvorak Simplified Keyboard had that very problem. The government agencies that tried to get their career typists to learn this system saw the long, difficult training that would follow as experienced typists struggled with this new system, which you can see on the website page. It is drastically different from ours. Even worse than the Dvorak, are the really weird specialized keyboards, some are so streamlined, they only use one hand. I can't see how that could make typing faster, and the damage to the muscles, nerves and joints would be on one hand, which is part of the reason Mr. Shores created the QWERTY in the first place, to separate the most used keys so our hands don't get overworked in everyday typing. If Dvorak had his design published first, we would see that keyboard design instead. Funny how timing plays in history, is it not?
@shiwangipeswani (613)
• India
30 Mar 09
Hi lotter
a very intelligent question ,though i dont knoe the answer ,but i agree with you that it should be in alphabetic order.
happy my lottting
@taki_takaishi (1279)
• Philippines
31 Mar 09
Have you ever thought if the keyboard was alphabetically arrange, would you still be able to type the same words normally?
@taki_takaishi (1279)
• Philippines
2 Apr 09
HEhehe. I think if we get used to the alphabetical I would be asking the same thing. hehehe. Though, I guess it would be difficult with the arranged letters of the keyboard.
@chucknoitall (98)
• United States
1 Apr 09
Maybe it's just because I have been typing for 13 years, but if I had a keyboard that was alphabetically arranged, I would probably be back to the "stone ages" of typing, the "hunt and peck" style. Not just because I am unconsciously aware of the key placement, but because as part of that, the layout is hardwired in my brain. Like Sophie said, a new keyboard design is hard, but you CAN get better at it. An alphabetic configuration would be interesting to try, at least once.
@abhichat1980 (250)
• India
30 Mar 09
I think the letters in a keyboard are arranged in such a fashion that it is easy to type rather than putting it in the alphabetic order. While typing it feels that the sequence of letters which form a word are placed strategically so that in the end it is easy for a person to type the meaningful word correctly. Maybe letters placed side by side can be on an analysis of the probability of occurrence of those two letters together in English literature. To be simple the whole idea only makes sense if the keyboard layout is such that at the end it is fairly easy for a person to type fast.
@chucknoitall (98)
• United States
30 Mar 09
Another weird thing about typing and the two major inventors Christopher Sholes, in the 1860s, and August Dvorak, in the 1930s, both agreed on-people should not be typing all their keystrokes on one hand. They both realized that there would be a great deal of damage to the muscles and joints in the hand if too many keys needed to type common words in the English language were on the same side. Therefore, they both made their designs so the most common letters used were split between the left and right sides of the keyboard.
Oddly enough, there are keyboards now that are one-handed. They use special function keys to multipurpose the keys, so the letters and numbers are available on the same keys, using the shift, alt and control keys. I can't begin to imagine how this would be to type every day, and it would not minimize damage to the muscles, joints and nerves of the hand and arm. From the first design, this was a real concern and an intention with Mr. Sholes, and Mr. Dvorak kept most of the design the same, except he moved certain letters to the other side of the keyboard. Like the old saying goes, "Six of one, and a half dozen of the other," right?
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@abhichat1980 (250)
• India
30 Mar 09
Wow you seem to have quite good knowledge of the origin. The philosophy then was quite justified. I agree with you fully. This is a nice informative post and I enjoyed it. Thank you.
@chucknoitall (98)
• United States
31 Mar 09
You're welcome, abhichat! Any way we look at it, it takes some effort to be able to type fast, as in, practice, practice, practice. Visiting a great discussion board like this would take care of that quickly. Regardless if we had an alphabetic, QWERTY or Dvorak board, it wouldn't matter. We just need to use the configuration enough to get back to a desired typing speed. Like me-I work in an office at a computer, doing data entry most of the day in an online database, but what do I look forward to when I come home? You guys. I love communicating with others who have different thoughts, perspectives, ideas and values. Seeing my thoughts on screen is fascinating in some way. Thanks, guys-all of you. You're great!
@malsun (1528)
• United States
31 Mar 09
Never thought of it. But now my fingers are so used to it that a logical keyboard with the alphabets in sequence would create a riot between my own two hands. So do find out the reason and let us all know but dont change the keyboard set up now. I am too old to learn new tricks!
@apocalypsereturns (368)
• India
30 Mar 09
this has been done keeping in mind that very fast typist
{the people who actually earn using this keyboard} are at ease of using it as the most frequently used alphabets have been put close to the fingers rest positions so this gives a very fast typing speed
you actually feel comfortable because of the same reason.
think about it if you had a abcdefg........... keyboard it would have been really hard.to type a simple sentence
@ratyz5 (7808)
• Philippines
30 Mar 09
I also don't know why it got arranged in such a way but, it seems more comfortable that way than it would ever been if it were alphabetically arranged. Let's see.. if it were alphabetically arranged, I think we'd end up looking at the keyboard too much as to avoid wrong spellings. With the lay out that we have now, we really don't have to look at the keyboard so often since our fingers are more familiar with the letter designation compared to it being alphabetically arranged.
Uhm... that's just my guess.. (^_^")
@cricket1 (486)
• United States
31 Mar 09
My apologies, I do not have the time to read all of this discussion before responding, but off the top of my head I would think that the keyboard/typewriter was designed so that the letters we use most often are easiest to reach with our fingers. This makes it easier to type and not so hard on the hands.
@berrys (864)
• Singapore
30 Mar 09
I believe that the keyboard is arranged so to help us. If you actually noticed. you will mainly use your index, middle and ring finger to type alphabets and your thumbs to hit the space the key and the shifts,tabs,enter and other things are place at the side of the keyboard so your little finger can hit it. All this are arranged so that each and everyone of our fingers have easy access to them. This is why some people can type without looking down on their keyboard, they can memorized where the keys are. Just like text-ting.
@chucknoitall (98)
• United States
1 Apr 09
You got it, berrys! Some techniques in typewriter class have been covering the hands on the keyboard with a cloth, so the student couldn't see the keyboard and ruin the touch-typing skill building. The whole point of fast typing is to know where the keys are, and strike the keys, not look for them and then strike them. After a few months of practice, it becomes automatic like breathing, then after a year or so, the speed increases. After a few years, the speed may double or triple depending on how often you type. I would love to type all day, because for some weird reason, I find it fascinating. Like I said in one of my other posts, texting and cell phones may change business in the future. Cell phones have affected us so much today, some kids text more than they actually get together face-to-face outside of school. ??!? Texting instead of talking? Just because it is different and interesting doesn't make it better than seeing a friend face-to-face. They will learn this lesson too late, I fear.
@sanuanu (11235)
• India
31 Mar 09
I must thank people who designed such keyboard. You can determine it when you are a full touch type typist. You will learn that most of the keys which are being frequently used are in the middle row while letters like b and y are at far side from your fingers. It is desinged in such a way that our finger feel less stressed.
Thank you who ever designded this keyboard!
@reichiru (748)
• Canada
31 Mar 09
Very good question, I wondered that myself when I was younger, and I still don't really have an answer to that. Heck, I didn't even know normal keyboards were called QWERTY keyboards until a week ago, and I sure didn't know why until a week ago either. Pretty sad for someone who's been using keyboards for a while. I think it's just made mainly for comfort, although if keyboards had started off being arranged in alphabetical order, I'm sure we would all prefer that by now.
@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
30 Mar 09
Apparently the history of the qwerty keyboard goes back to a pre-electric typewriter design intended to help prevent new typists from causing jams in the mechanical keys of their machines..it then became the accepted standard when manufacturers accepted it.
Apparently,one of the Alternatives to qwerty,Dvorzak,is actually available on your computer if you felt you'd like to see what an allegedly faster,more efficient layout was like...An online newsletter Author I read,Randy Cassingham,( of "This is True"!)recommends it..there may be links on how to do it online,as it's apparently possible to remap a standard keyboard under "Settings" for different languages-the Dvorzak remap is on that list of alternatives..you may need to reletter your keyboard's keys for it to work properly..I've never yet been curious enough to physically swap keys around on a keyboard!
@janet8893 (283)
• China
30 Mar 09
From the question, i learned you are a wonderful thinker and a brave question raiser. I have also wondered this question,but wonder just wonder.never raise it out. Maybe it is designed for our most comfortable use, or maybe letters are arranged according to the frequence we use them.
@alegnaluvu (660)
• Malaysia
30 Mar 09
I don't really understand why it is arranged in such a way. But the alphabets are arranged like the typical typewriters and the rest are set in such a way maybe to suit the computer language.