I want to know if this is actually RIGHT or not:

@dorypanda (1601)
April 5, 2009 10:57am CST
My son went into Supernews to buy a lottery scratchcard (he IS 16, this is the legal age you have to be to buy any lottery thing), he asked the cashier for two scratchcards as he wanted to buy one for me too, she asked him for ID, ok, fine, they HAVE to check he's over 16, so he showed them his National Insurance card, he doesn't have any other ID at the moment, his passport is out of date, so he can't really use that, she refused to serve him, saying that a National Insurance card wasn't acceptable as proof of his age...........I told her that as I'm his Mum, I know he's over 16 and it's ok to serve him, she told me they had to ask for ID if anyone looked under 21! Obviously my 16 year old doesn't look over 21, he's 16 for goodness sake! So, I said, "ok, I'll buy them then", she told me she couldn't sell me something that he had already tried to buy. I told them we'd go somewhere else. Is it just me or is that completely ridiculous? If you know or can find out 'Supernews' company policy on serving 16 year olds scratchcards I would be very grateful. Thank you. (No, my son is not addicted to them, he's never bought one before)
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@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
6 Apr 09
This may be a local jurisdictional thing,but I'm confused here..Don't you have to be 16 before being eligible to have a NI Card in the first place? So, If you can buy a scratchcard at 16,what was this cashier's problem? Your legal aged Son attempts to buy a scratchcard,legally,with an official personal document for ID,gets refused as the cashier doesn't seem to understand this,then refuses to sell YOU,the Boy's Mother,that same scratchcard? Maybe they have a company photo ID policy? Was there a notice posted up to that effect? (My NI card doesn't have photo ID-does yours?) You should contact this company and ask what was going on there,as this is illogical to me..Why can't you then buy something age specific that your son was refused?
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
25 May 09
I really hope You got some sense out of this shop's management over this issue in the intervening time since posting the discussion! Thanks for the best response!
@CMTS_87 (1339)
• Philippines
6 Apr 09
OH God that is so ridiculous! The mere fact that you were there and said that he is your son and he is sixteen years old... haha... the cashier should have let you son buy the scratchcards. HAHA! Is she crazy? HAHA! Happy MyLotting!
@pumpkinjam (8770)
• United Kingdom
5 Apr 09
Well, asking for ID is all very well and I know a lot of places will only accept photographic ID but from a 16 year old buying a scratchcard, I would have thought they would make do with the National Insuarance card, eespecially as that's the only form of ID that a lot of 16 year olds would have. But the think about not being able to serve you because he already tried is just stupid. Maybe if he really was under 16 and you wanted to buy them FOR him because she wouldn't serve him, that would be different but he had shown proof of his age and she shouldn't have refused to serve you anyway. I think that woman is probably an idiot. Well, most of the people I've seen working in Supernews are not very bright. They are the kind of people who've been there for years because they're not capable of doing anything else as opposed to not wanting to.
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@fluffysue (1482)
• United States
5 Apr 09
That is a good point, what kind of ID can a 16-year-old even get? I don't know about the U.K., but in many states in the U.S. 16-year-olds can't drive, and yes, there is a non-driving ID that looks like a license, but kids don't bother to get those because they cost money and aren't really necessary if you are underage.
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• United Kingdom
6 Apr 09
That's basically the same here. You can't drive in the UK until you're 17 and even then, obviously not everyone can or wants to get their licence. And, again, there are the other paid-for IDs but they aren't really worth paying for because they don't last long and they're not all that useful. Even then, you need a "professional" person to sign the application to get one and I know that not everyone has someone who can do that.
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@mummymo (23706)
6 Apr 09
That is true to an extent pumpkinjam BUT most teenagers get their National Insurance cards well before they actually turn 16 - I got mine about 5 or 6 months before and I know from my nieces and nephews that this still happens quite regularly so it doesn't prove anything! I am expecting my son to get his anytime soon. I know that here in Scotland we get a photo ID in the form of a verified card called the YOUNG Scot card which I think they get at about 14 - don't you guys have anything like that? apart from being photo id it gives teenagers the chance of discount at certain places! xxx
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@mummymo (23706)
6 Apr 09
I can see both sides of this dorypanda. Whilst understanding your frustration and exasperation as well as your sons embarrassment I can also see where the assistant was coming from. I used to work in the licensed trade and I know how difficult it can be to tell if a young person is old enough or not and I also know the problems with licenses and fines if you do serve someone under age. Since Lotto and scratchcards are gambling many of the same rules apply and licenses and fines can be affected. I have also been placed in a position by parents of youngsters who have been adamant that their son/daughter is 18 and I have to serve them when I still refuse they have tried to buy drink for them which would still leas to huge fines or loss of license if I were caught and I have had to ask them to leave and refuse to serve them so I can understand from the assistants viewpoint why they refused you - it could be the difference between them having a job or being unemployed and in this economic climate no one can afford to lose their jobs. My son will be 16 in the summer and I know I would be exasperated if it happened to him even though I know these points! Mind you he is 6 ft 2 in and everyone thinks he is older anyway but that isn't the point! xxxx
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@dorypanda (1601)
7 Apr 09
My main problem is that they ID'd him because he looks under 21, which is something I'm not happy about, he DOES look over 16, he's over 5feet9 tall and, even though he looks very much like a teenager, he definately looks over 16, I don't understand why he'd need to be over 21 in order to buy a scratchcard. Thank you for your reply, you make a lot of sense. :)
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• United States
6 Apr 09
sounds like there must be a major fine involved if they did sell to underage. if they're not sure,they'd rather not go through with it than risk the fine. it's funny they don't take the word of the mother,but once they reject it,that's pretty much it. places up here,if there's a question you can sign a book the police check,that way the store is clear should it come back a fake ID.if you're willing to sign it,they'll sell it to you.that's much more fair.
@dorypanda (1601)
7 Apr 09
That sounds like a really good idea, maybe we should try and get it here too.
@carann (260)
• United States
5 Apr 09
Putting aside the not selling to him. I think its stupid they wouldn't sell to you. Don't they want to make money? You have id i am sure. And an adult. So i dont understand why they would refuse you. I would take my buisness elsewhere and make sure the management knows why.
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• Canada
5 Apr 09
Well I am in Canada but I used to work for 7-11 and if I IDed someone and they did not have government issued photo ID I could not serve them and If someone else tried to buy the same thing for this person that i refused to serve because of lack of ID I had no choice but to turn them away. It's called a third party sale and I could have gotten fined for it. If I had never known about it and I was in the situation I would have felt the same way as you but because I have been that cashier that had to refuse I already know that I can't do it. I guess it's the same everywhere. here depending which province you live in the minimum age is 18 or 19.
• Canada
5 Apr 09
Exactly!!!
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
6 Apr 09
So a government Document issued to somebody now eligible to be a taxpayer aged 16 or over isn't sufficient ID on its own for a 16 year old attempting to purchase an Age 16 appropriate item? thanks for the info...
@busyB4 (874)
• United States
5 Apr 09
I think she was just trying to follow policy for her job and to keep herself from getting in trouble. How would she know if this was a setup and get her fired?
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
6 Apr 09
I guess either the cashier or her boss who sets the rule is just plain stupid. Obviously you being the mother of a 16 years old boy can't look as if you are less than 16 years old. I can understand that she refuses to sell to your child, but I can't understand why she can't sell to you (maybe her boss says so, that's why her boss is also plain stupid). Even if you buy the tickets to give to your son, it's none of her business. The problem comes only when the ticket becomes the big winner, then collection can be a problem. By then it's not the problem of the cashier.
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• United States
5 Apr 09
i think it is bogous that they did that and that it was unhelpful to the costomer and that what ive learned is that the coustomer is always right
• United States
6 Apr 09
Having been a cashier in the past I can very much sympathize with her. Even though I totally see your point as well. But at my old job I was told to follow a certain protocol, whether it's logical or not was not for me to say, and if I didn't and I got caught I could lose my job. So, certainly you could understand why she'd think her job, that pays her bills, is much more important than your son getting his lotto tickets. if she's just not allowed then she's just not allowed.